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Posted: 10/23/2013 3:06:17 PM EST
Galveston Gal, a P-51D modified into TF-51, went down today in the waters off Galveston. Tragically, both the pilot and passenger, a tourist from the UK, were killed in the accident.

No word yet on what happened. Galveston Gal was owned by the Lone Star Flight Museum.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/23/2-killed-after-museum-wwii-era-plane-crashes-in-texas/?intcmp=latestnews
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I loved seeing that bird fly over the water when I was fishing.

RIP
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 3:08:31 PM EST
Yeah, saw it on Fox News. Very sad.
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*sigh* Dangit.

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Originally Posted By dpmmn:
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I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 3:18:34 PM EST
That's a shame in both loss of life and loss of aircraft. Especially in loss of life.



Could the passenger have a chance to exit separately? Is there only one canopy release or two?

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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
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Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?


Link Posted: 10/23/2013 3:29:20 PM EST
Damn shame. Sad day. Prayers outbound to the families .
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 3:31:52 PM EST
Damn.


I flew on the B-25 there a couple months ago. I really, really wanted to fly in the p-51.
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Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?


thank you.
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 3:34:07 PM EST
I was watching videos of their flights yesterday, was getting ready to call Susan to book. So sad. Passenger from UK on 41st wedding anniversary, pilot from denton. Very Tragic.

I have some pictures in the other thread here I took at Alliance Air Show sunday

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_147/1548298_P51_Mustang__Galvaston_Gal_crashed_10_23_13__2_dead.html
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Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?


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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?



I want my grandchildrens grandchildren to be able to see these planes up close. When I was a little kid my father and I went to see what was left of the Memphis Bell in Memphis. It was a sad sight and this was in the early 1960's. My father taught me how to fly our Cessna 182 when I was only 8 y/o just for the record.
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Average 1 lost a year.
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Sad to see her go, loved watching her fly when I was sailing in college
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:

I want my grandchildrens grandchildren to be able to see these planes up close. When I was a little kid my father and I went to see what was left of the Memphis Bell in Memphis. It was a sad sight and this was in the early 1960's. My father taught me how to fly our Cessna 182 when I was only 8 y/o just for the record.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?



I want my grandchildrens grandchildren to be able to see these planes up close. When I was a little kid my father and I went to see what was left of the Memphis Bell in Memphis. It was a sad sight and this was in the early 1960's. My father taught me how to fly our Cessna 182 when I was only 8 y/o just for the record.
Then honor your dad, get your license and teach your family about the joys of aviation instead of wishing someone else's freedom away for your own desires.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:

I want my grandchildrens grandchildren to be able to see these planes up close. When I was a little kid my father and I went to see what was left of the Memphis Bell in Memphis. It was a sad sight and this was in the early 1960's. My father taught me how to fly our Cessna 182 when I was only 8 y/o just for the record.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?



I want my grandchildrens grandchildren to be able to see these planes up close. When I was a little kid my father and I went to see what was left of the Memphis Bell in Memphis. It was a sad sight and this was in the early 1960's. My father taught me how to fly our Cessna 182 when I was only 8 y/o just for the record.
It's kind of like saying, in 10 years there won't be any siberian tigers left in the wild, so let's just shoot them all now, stuff them, and put them in museums.
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Shit.
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Originally Posted By Desdinova721:
It's kind of like saying, in 10 years there won't be any siberian tigers left in the wild, so let's just shoot them all now, stuff them, and put them in museums.
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Originally Posted By Desdinova721:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?



I want my grandchildrens grandchildren to be able to see these planes up close. When I was a little kid my father and I went to see what was left of the Memphis Bell in Memphis. It was a sad sight and this was in the early 1960's. My father taught me how to fly our Cessna 182 when I was only 8 y/o just for the record.
It's kind of like saying, in 10 years there won't be any siberian tigers left in the wild, so let's just shoot them all now, stuff them, and put them in museums.


Sounds like a Joni Mitchell song.

RIP and thoughts/prayers out to all those affected. The Mustang was my first love.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
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Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.
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That is sad.
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Originally Posted By thorshammerblow:


Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.


Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.

I wasn't saying they should force anyone to stop flying them. Simply that I hate seeing them lost year after year! Sheesh lighten up people!
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Galveston gal was going to be flying in the Wings over Houston show this weekend. Will be sadly missed along with the pilot and copilot.
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They were meant to be flown , fly them.

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Bummer.

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Damn, that sucks.

Once gone, lives are gone, end of story.

But I'll wager long odds that the plane will be salvaged and if nothing else, parts of it will go to keep other Mustangs flying.

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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:

I wasn't saying they should force anyone to stop flying them. Simply that I hate seeing them lost year after year! Sheesh lighten up people!
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.


Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.

I wasn't saying they should force anyone to stop flying them. Simply that I hate seeing them lost year after year! Sheesh lighten up people!
Uh, actually you did. Your words sir were; "I really wish they would just stop flying these old birds..."

The first step in getting out of the hole is to stop digging. Your personal feelings do not come at the expense of someone else's property rights.
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Regarding the debate over flying around in irreplaceable vintage aircraft, why can't we simply build modern copies? Is that a stupid question?

So the pleasure of flying a vintage plane outweighs the tragedy of destroying one. Would it still if there was an exact clone copy available? Honest questions...
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Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Uh, actually you did. Your words sir were; "I really wish they would just stop flying these old birds..."

The first step in getting out of the hole is to stop digging. Your personal feelings do not come at the expense of someone else's property rights.
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Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.


Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.

I wasn't saying they should force anyone to stop flying them. Simply that I hate seeing them lost year after year! Sheesh lighten up people!
Uh, actually you did. Your words sir were; "I really wish they would just stop flying these old birds..."

The first step in getting out of the hole is to stop digging. Your personal feelings do not come at the expense of someone else's property rights.
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I said "I WISH" That is not saying i wish they would be forced to do something. I have collectible cars and motorcycles sitting in my garage that I don't ride or drive because they are irreplaceable to ME! Is anyone forcing me not to ride or drive them? No! That is my decision and mine alone. I am saying the same of the owners and pilots of these planes. I don't know if any of these birds have any real combat history or not but when the last flying example is gone they will be gone forever from the eyes of future generations to enjoy their beauty.
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I said "I WISH" That is not saying i wish they would be forced to do something. I have collectible cars and motorcycles sitting in my garage that I don't ride or drive because they are irreplaceable to ME! Is anyone forcing me not to ride or drive them? No! That is my decision and mine alone. I am saying the same of the owners and pilots of these planes. I don't know if any of these birds have any real combat history or not but when the last flying example is gone they will be gone forever from the eyes of future generations to enjoy their beauty.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By thorshammerblow:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.


Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.

I wasn't saying they should force anyone to stop flying them. Simply that I hate seeing them lost year after year! Sheesh lighten up people!
Uh, actually you did. Your words sir were; "I really wish they would just stop flying these old birds..."

The first step in getting out of the hole is to stop digging. Your personal feelings do not come at the expense of someone else's property rights.
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I said "I WISH" That is not saying i wish they would be forced to do something. I have collectible cars and motorcycles sitting in my garage that I don't ride or drive because they are irreplaceable to ME! Is anyone forcing me not to ride or drive them? No! That is my decision and mine alone. I am saying the same of the owners and pilots of these planes. I don't know if any of these birds have any real combat history or not but when the last flying example is gone they will be gone forever from the eyes of future generations to enjoy their beauty.
So, you're un saying your position while re saying it.

You win, I don't do circular arguments.
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Its cool when they fly, but the risks are too large. I had a B-17 overhead about a month ago, awesome, but again not worth the risk.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
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I said "I WISH" That is not saying i wish they would be forced to do something. I have collectible cars and motorcycles sitting in my garage that I don't ride or drive because they are irreplaceable to ME! Is anyone forcing me not to ride or drive them? No! That is my decision and mine alone. I am saying the same of the owners and pilots of these planes. I don't know if any of these birds have any real combat history or not but when the last flying example is gone they will be gone forever from the eyes of future generations to enjoy their beauty.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Originally Posted By thorshammerblow:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.


Yep and stop driving old cars and stop sailing old boats and stop shooting old guns.

I wasn't saying they should force anyone to stop flying them. Simply that I hate seeing them lost year after year! Sheesh lighten up people!
Uh, actually you did. Your words sir were; "I really wish they would just stop flying these old birds..."

The first step in getting out of the hole is to stop digging. Your personal feelings do not come at the expense of someone else's property rights.
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I said "I WISH" That is not saying i wish they would be forced to do something. I have collectible cars and motorcycles sitting in my garage that I don't ride or drive because they are irreplaceable to ME! Is anyone forcing me not to ride or drive them? No! That is my decision and mine alone. I am saying the same of the owners and pilots of these planes. I don't know if any of these birds have any real combat history or not but when the last flying example is gone they will be gone forever from the eyes of future generations to enjoy their beauty.

I one and fly a combat veteran O2-A. There were less than 600 made and about 25 flying in the world and another 50 in museums. Even if all the flyers were lost, still plenty in museums to represent the type. I drive my 55 Chevy Bel Air convertible.
I have flown a T-28, A/T-6. Owned and flew a UH-1H that was a Viet Nam vet too.
It is one thing to see the plane on the ground in a museum. Another to hear and see it in its element.

Over all I am less worried about the ones flying than the aircraft sitting outside as gate guards/outdoor museums in the weather rotting away.
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Its cool when they fly, but the risks are too large. I had a B-17 overhead about a month ago, awesome, but again not worth the risk.
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I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Its cool when they fly, but the risks are too large. I had a B-17 overhead about a month ago, awesome, but again not worth the risk.


There was more of a risk of them going down when they were flying over Europe. It's better to fly them here.
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One day they will all most likely be gone either through attrition or neglect.

The only real way to hold onto them is to put them inside and pay for their upkeep.

Flying, or sitting outside as a static is going to eat them all up, it's only a matter of time.

In a hundred years most all of them will all be gone, same with all the ships, and tanks left outside.

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I just saw one of those leaving Alliance Airport today.
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I tend to agree sadly.
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Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?


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Originally Posted By Manstein959:
Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
I really wish they would just stop flying all these old birds while we still have a few to look at.
Want to know how I know you're not a pilot?

And instead of "wishing" to deprive owners of their property, how about you cash in the farm, buy them all up and open a museum?



Lighten up Francis. He didnt say they shouldn't be allowed to fly them. He is hoping that they can be saved for posterity so they too can appreciate them.
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 6:02:48 PM EST
The Military Aviation Museum in Va Beach has a P-51 that they fly around on weekends. They have a bunch of flyable warbirds in the collection including the only flying Mosquito in existence.

http://www.militaryaviationmuseum.org/

If you are ever in the VB area go check them out.
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