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Burrito

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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:26:16 AM EDT

[Last Edit: 8/21/2004 10:26:50 AM EDT by Burrito]

1.) Is Armalite the only manufacturer that has plans to market a pre/post AR w/ all the goodies on it in one nice neat package? So far I haven't seen ANY other manufacturer indicate that the SOP would be to sell a nice package like that.

2.) Will we finally be able to get decent 30 rounders, or are we still gonna be scvrounging for old GIs & hoping the Thjermolds we buy are decent ones? Any Manufacturer planning on doing this?

3.) I have a Beretta Storm CX4. Great gun, but limited by 10-15 round quality mags - everything above that is a crapshoot in terms of quality. Does anyone know if manufact. quality high caps will be made available now???

4.) Again w/ the highcaps (dualuse for the CX4) - will the Beratta 92's and the Glocks see new high caps finally? Or is there a separate provision banning high caps for handguns (and by default then for the CX4)?

Any light that could be shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Cypher214

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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:30:30 AM EDT

1.) All other manufacturers will be doing evil features again... trust me. They would be incredibly stupid not to.

2.) Manufacturers will keep putting out LEO mags like they have all along but they will no longer have the LEO stamp and any of us will be able to buy them.

3.) Somebody with some sense will make new 30 round Beretta 92 mags.

4.) All handguns will ship with normal capacity mags again.

These are my predictions, but I would be willing to bet a LOT of money that I am 100% correct. There is no reason for it to NOT go this route.

The manufacturers would be monumentally stupid to NOT go back to pre-94 procedures.

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The_Beer_Slayer

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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:31:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Burrito:
1.) Is Armalite the only manufacturer that has plans to market a pre/post AR w/ all the goodies on it in one nice neat package? So far I haven't seen ANY other manufacturer indicate that the SOP would be to sell a nice package like that.

no they all will

2.) Will we finally be able to get decent 30 rounders, or are we still gonna be scvrounging for old GIs & hoping the Thjermolds we buy are decent ones? Any Manufacturer planning on doing this?

i don't remember any after market 30rnd mags worth a crap. i will still stick with usgi

3.) I have a Beretta Storm CX4. Great gun, but limited by 10-15 round quality mags - everything above that is a crapshoot in terms of quality. Does anyone know if manufact. quality high caps will be made available now???

only time will tell but i would gues if there is demand it will happen

4.) Again w/ the highcaps (dualuse for the CX4) - will the Beratta 92's and the Glocks see new high caps finally? Or is there a separate provision banning high caps for handguns (and by default then for the CX4)?

Any light that could be shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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JCKnife Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 650 EE Offline OH, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 10:33:08 AM EDT Are 10-round Beretta 92 mags limited to 10 rounds by the size/shape of the follower? They're the same size as 15-rnd mags. I'm hoping 2 new followers will net me 2 new (legal) normal-capacity mags.

thelastgunslinger H.N.I.C. Joined Aug 2003 Posts 1280 EE Offline CO, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 10:33:09 AM EDT If I were a manufacturer, I would wait until after the election to tool up for any new production. I would be scared that if Kerry were to win, that a new AWB would be back in place to quickly to recoup the cost.
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gribble

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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:34:24 AM EDT

While I don't know of anyone claiming they will sell high caps and firearms with the goodies, I believe it is safe to assume that many manufacturers will be producing them. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that all LEO/Military stamped mags and firearms will be available.

And yes, it's very likely that both Berretta and Glock will be making high caps, and even shipping them with their firearms. I am personally looking forward to a few 12 rounders for my HK USP45!

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Charging_Handle

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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:38:00 AM EDT

I highly suspect all AR manufacturers will offer the evil features you desire. That's simply because that's what the market will want and anyone who doesn't provide them will be left out.

Quality magazines should be available in great abundance. This will include USGI.

As for the Beretta mags, you may be limited to 15 rounders if quality is your goal. That's pretty much the standard. I suppose it'll be up to Beretta to make larger capacity. There likely will be 20-30 aftermarket mags, but we know how hit or miss these may be.

This will pertain to both pistol and rifle magazines. The AWB limited the round count to a maximum of 10, be it pistol or rifle.

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thelastgunslinger

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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:44:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gribble:
While I don't know of anyone claiming they will sell high caps and firearms with the goodies, I believe it is safe to assume that many manufacturers will be producing them. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that all LEO/Military stamped mags and firearms will be available.

And yes, it's very likely that both Berretta and Glock will be making high caps, and even shipping them with their firearms. I am personally looking forward to a few 12 rounders for my HK USP45!

Full size USP 45? That gun is huge. Do you carry it?

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gribble Team Member Joined Nov 2002 Posts 217 EE Offline USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 10:49:49 AM EDT Yes full size, no, I don't carry it. I am only 17. I do plan on carrying it when I am old enough to do so legally, though. Probably in a shoulder rig. Luckilly, I am tall enough (6'4") that it won't be that big in comparisson to me.
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fadedsun Joined Apr 2004 Posts 322 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 10:57:41 AM EDT I sure hope the Magazine and Arms manufacturers kick it into high gear once the AWB dies. I want there to be plenty of mags and guns for everyone. BTW, what's so bad about Aftermarket mags? I'm looking into purchasing a few from Cheaper than dirt..... (30 rd Steel mags). They don't have any USGI AR mags tho. Ben

gribble Team Member Joined Nov 2002 Posts 218 EE Offline USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 11:02:53 AM EDT Logically, couldn't they start making them now, and stop just short of the stage where they stamp the LEO markings, then finish without the markings on the 14th?
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Cypher214 Professional Killer... of time. Joined Mar 2001 Posts 3226 EE Offline MS, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 11:02:56 AM EDT There are already plenty of pistol mags being made for law enforcement. There will be no extra "setting up" to build these mags. The only difference will be that the LEO stamp will become non-existent. Same thing with AR-15 mags. The Manufacturers know there is a market for quality 30 round mags to fit a Storm... someone will make them.
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:25:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fadedsun:
I sure hope the Magazine and Arms manufacturers kick it into high gear once the AWB dies. I want there to be plenty of mags and guns for everyone.

BTW, what's so bad about Aftermarket mags? I'm looking into purchasing a few from Cheaper than dirt..... (30 rd Steel mags). They don't have any USGI AR mags tho.

Ben

Wait--save your money for cheap USGI.

Anyone care to address that Beretta 92 mag follower Q?

Wobblin-Goblin Resident Pytharigist Joined Feb 2001 Posts 12125 EE Offline CT, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 11:29:26 AM EDT I'm patiently waiting for Butler Creek to start making their 25 rounders for the 10/22 again.
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Cypher214

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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:33:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
I'm patiently waiting for Butler Creek to start making their 25 rounders for the 10/22 again.

Oh yes... and with the .17 HM2 coming out... it will be the perfect combination.

I'll be getting a .17 HM2 barrel ASAP for my 10/22.

Si vis pacem, para bellum!

Wobblin-Goblin Resident Pytharigist Joined Feb 2001 Posts 12127 EE Offline CT, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 11:36:09 AM EDT What's the big deal with the .17 anyway?
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:49:17 AM EDT

All the manufacturers will return to "business as usual" on Sept. 13th. No doubt they're already ready to meet demand and have informed their dealerships, and taken pre-orders as well.

It's just that most of them aren't going out of their way to trumpet the fact for political reasons.

I've got my tools and parts ready to add evil features to my main rifle. It'll take about half an hour to do it, I think.

My main rifle is ban era, though as it's made on a homebuilt receiver I cut from a raw forging,
nobody can prove that it isn't preban. I'm just honest about it. The upper's barrel USED to
be a preban, but I turned the threads off it and installed a lugless sight tower and put a collar on
over where the threads used to be. I'll be removing the collar, chucking the barrel up in the lathe,
and turning custom threads (7/16-something, probably NEF series) and will be loctiting and applying heavy torque to the new filler that will be screwed onto the new threads. And then that gets turned
down again, to half inch, and the 1/2-28 NEF threading will be restored. Practically nobody will be able to tell that it was ever neutered to comply with the pointless and unconstitutional ban.

CJ

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Cypher214

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Posted: 8/21/2004 12:07:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
What's the big deal with the .17 anyway?

Much higher velocity than .22.

Balistic tip-style bullets.

Fun little bastard.

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Posted: 8/21/2004 12:27:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JCKnife:
Originally Posted By fadedsun:
I sure hope the Magazine and Arms manufacturers kick it into high gear once the AWB dies. I want there to be plenty of mags and guns for everyone.

BTW, what's so bad about Aftermarket mags? I'm looking into purchasing a few from Cheaper than dirt..... (30 rd Steel mags). They don't have any USGI AR mags tho.

Ben

Wait--save your money for cheap USGI.

Anyone care to address that Beretta 92 mag follower Q?

The followers and springs are the same. It's the mag body that limits it to 10 rounds. 10-rd 92 mags are mostly single-stack, and 15-rd ones are double-stack the whole way.

I submit this as evidence:
10-rounder

15-rounder

Note the indention the length of the body in the 10-rounder? That's the limiting factor.

Brian Voils
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556_Chowder Joined Jun 2004 Posts 45 EE Offline AZ, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 3:20:11 PM EDT An answer the the beretta mag Q is that the bottom of the follower in the hi-cap mag is hallow. The bottom of the post ban follower extends about an inch longer so it will bottom out sooner to prevent the evil five extra rounds.

soccermike7

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Posted: 8/21/2004 3:46:49 PM EDT

hi capacity mags will be available for the beretta 92/96 series. i was at the new Cabela's in wheeling, wv today and they have something about "if the ban expires, with the purchase of any new beretta 92/96 (or that new law enforcement carbine or whatever. forget the name) you can send away and get 2 hi capacity mags free. gun bought between june 1 and october 31,2004 i think. the guy also mentioned that u can print it off somewhere online (he thought)

so, i'm thinking they'll be available. he mentioned some 20rnds being available too (not with that offer)

Isomerase Team Member Joined Nov 2000 Posts 221 EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 8/21/2004 5:03:36 PM EDT Here you go: www.berettausa.com/product/promotions/92_96_cx4_promo/92_96_cx4_promo.htm Seems pretty supportive and optimistic of Beretta to so this, ah? Iso
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Posted: 8/22/2004 4:02:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 556_Chowder:
An answer the the beretta mag Q is that the bottom of the follower in the hi-cap mag is hallow. The bottom of the post ban follower extends about an inch longer so it will bottom out sooner to prevent the evil five extra rounds.

Look at the pictures I posted. It's clear that the mag body physically prevents 15 rounds of 9mm, regardless of follower. They put a dent along the length of the body which effectively narrows the emasculated magazine to single-stack status.

Brian Voils
"But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ" (Phil 3:7).

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