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Posted: 8/22/2002 4:26:37 PM EDT
The topic line kind of says it all. I don't know about the reasons why we congregate here, but for me, this is a great place to come and recharge. This recharge includes learning new information about a group of subjects that I love, dispensing very little good information for consumption by my brothers here, and to have a healthy exchange of ideas. I am beginning to feel that the 'structure' and culture here are not conducive to my recharging and I am not looking foreward to being here anymore. This is sad. I understand that this site is private property and I thank the Avilas for all that they have done. This has been a great place to be because of them, but I am afraid that the trend is now towards absolute conformity and 'correct thinking'. I would think that I am not the only one here that is dissatisfied with the 'PC-at-all-costs' feeling that this site is leaning towards. I will not threaten or shout as I understand that if I really don't like it here, I can always leave. I really loved this place and what it used to be and I hope we can get back there.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:27:56 PM EDT
Amen!
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:30:13 PM EDT
the life has been choked out for a long time. everyone's a mod on an ego trip. I still comeback for the occasional exchange of good info, however.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:30:49 PM EDT
i'll have to agree with you,kinda noticed that a lot of people left recently too as a result. i just recently registered, but i've been checking the site out for about a year or so. i'm not here enough to have it REALLY piss me off yet, though. it is disheartening.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:31:06 PM EDT
IBTL, cuz this kind of free speech won't be tollerated long!
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:32:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markm: IBTL, cuz this kind of free speech won't be tollerated long!
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yeah, i was just thinking that myself.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:35:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:40:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: How do you strike a balance between those who absolutely will not tolerate racism, and those who absolutely will not tolerate "PC-ism"?
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While I agree that this site is not neccessarily covered under the 1st Ammendment as it is seen as a private facility, there must be an accounting for those that espouse ideas that are abhorrent to the majority. I did not see the referenced 'kiddie porn' and am glad that I didn't see it. The posting of this type is against what I stand for and it's presence here, even for a short while, is another strike against this community that I was once proud to be a member.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:44:07 PM EDT
it's kinda turning into a bunch of touchy feely crap what's really messed up is i never used to like "full-auto.com",and make fun of the people there, but i just joined there today, cuz i like to say what i mean, not worry about how PC it is. now i'll probabaly be banned from here for saying that now.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:45:57 PM EDT
The rules have been simplified: "agree with the mods, or shut the hell up!"
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:47:02 PM EDT
OK. WE are AR15.com- WE need to maintain the energy and spirit of the site. I too have seen a bit of "drift" lately, but this is still the best gun forum on the net. There are indeed lots of new mods, and I understand that will indeed color the conversations. Lets move ahead, and maintain the truthful and genuine-belief-nature of our posts- if they get canned, oh well. Its our fault if we let it change and we don't like it. The other night I was really excited to see the energy return to the posts, it had seemed kind of tame lately. Lets move on and restore that energy and not worry about the PC junk. [8D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:49:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Grock: OK. WE are AR15.com- WE need to maintain the energy and spirit of the site. I too have seen a bit of "drift" lately, but this is still the best gun forum on the net. There are indeed lots of new mods, and I understand that will indeed color the conversations. Lets move ahead, and maintain the truthful and genuine-belief-nature of our posts- if they get canned, oh well. Its our fault if we let it change and we don't like it. The other night I was really excited to see the energy return to the posts, it had seemed kind of tame lately. Lets move on and restore that energy and not worry about the PC junk. [8D]
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....looking for the buttkissing icon.....
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:54:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By serpico40:
Originally Posted By markm: IBTL, cuz this kind of free speech won't be tollerated long!
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yeah, i was just thinking that myself.
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Sad but true
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:55:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:56:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By wiggy762: While I agree that this site is not neccessarily covered under the 1st Ammendment as it is seen as a private facility, there must be an accounting for those that espouse ideas that are abhorrent to the majority. I did not see the referenced 'kiddie porn' and am glad that I didn't see it. The posting of this type is against what I stand for and it's presence here, even for a short while, is another strike against this community that I was once proud to be a member.
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I don't follow why there has to be an "accounting for those that espouse ideas that are abhorrent to the majority" There are plenty of ideas that are not popular that would not be tolerated here by anyone-in your own post you state that you won't stand for kiddie porn, but should posts about whites being "the accelerant race" should be allowed for discussion [?]
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i see your moderator application is complete.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:57:12 PM EDT
It's self-regulating: if you want this site to be a certain way, then make it happen.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:57:39 PM EDT
[b]All Mods are not All anything.[/b] I believe the Hun is about as opinionated as any of us here but seldom do I see our HUN lock a topic. Most of us have had more than one job. Takes a little time to get the feel of things and settle in. Let's give things some time. [b]As stated above, this is still the best damn board going.[/b] If it was not then we wouldn't be here or care would we ??
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:58:33 PM EDT
serpico40 Drop your drawers, turn around, and look in the mirror! [:D]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 4:59:48 PM EDT
Now things have gone over the edge. The poll thread for bendover's mod status was locked after I said he was getting out of hand but should be given more time to grow into the job. That is the kind of 'I'm the boss and you're the bitch' crap that will kill this site as quick as it killed mcrgo.org.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:01:38 PM EDT
Leave BenDover alone, with time all will learn, been there and done that, having said that, why do we want to shit can a guy who is just getting his feet wet, let it go, and let all learn from it. Now having said this, I am a shit riper, I will take on anyone anywhere, but this is kid stuff, so as I have expressed let it go !!!
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:03:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markm: The rules have been simplified: "agree with the mods, or shut the hell up!"
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I.e., Black's Law Dictionary.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:03:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2002 5:09:04 PM EDT by Confederate]
Originally Posted By bountyhunter: Leave BenDover alone, with time all will learn, been there and done that, having said that, why do we want to shit can a guy who is just getting his feet wet, let it go, and let all learn from it. Now having said this, I am a shit riper, I will take on anyone anywhere, but this is kid stuff, so as I have expressed let it go !!!
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I agree he is new, but look what he has done to this site since he became Moderator. Before he was Moderator he seemed to be an ok guy, now it seems there are ALWAYS three or four racist hate threads going, with BD as the main contributor.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:04:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markm: everyone's a mod on an ego trip.
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Bingo. [(:|)]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:06:54 PM EDT
I think this place is a good place to learn. It was like the wild west when I first started visiting. It was fun. The double finger birdies were flying like crazy and it cracked me up. Now days I think we have a bunch of people that would also like to let their kids on and I believe thats where the rub is along with the Avilas trying to attract paying sponsers. I really don't have an answer so I'm just going to go along with the flow ....but I do miss the exileration of the "rapids" of days gone by!
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:09:35 PM EDT
And you all would rather talk about what? Where are the posts that you want to see? Post them. Make it happen. Or is this what you'd rather do with your time here?
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:11:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:12:37 PM EDT
Been coming here for a long time and you hear this every so often. It's always about the same. One thing I have learned in life is accept something, change it or move on.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:13:31 PM EDT
I'd say yes, I agree.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:17:03 PM EDT
Most of you guys are like sharks with blood in the water, and I like it, most the time, but not now ! So take a break, drink some coffee or whatever, and then think, before posting, would you like to be banned for any one comment or opinion you have expressed. OK
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:21:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Maynard: I was on a serious ego trip before I ever became a mod.
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Is it a pre-requisite? [(:|)] P.S. Just kidding. 500th post can't be taken too seriously.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:23:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:30:20 PM EDT
I'm suprised this post isn't locked yet. [:D] Anyone here work or have worked for a company that had more than one supervisors doing the same job for the same department and they all had different personalities and ways of running the department. The result ending up in the workers not knowing what is the correct way or the incorrect way of doing the job? This is how this site is with all the different mods. The members don't know what is appropriate or not appropriate to post. You have to have a lot of guts just to express yourself around here anymore. [b]ArmaLiter[/b]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:33:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmaLiter: I'm suprised this post isn't locked yet. [:D] Anyone here work or have worked for a company that had more than one supervisors doing the same job for the same department and they all had different personalities and ways of running the department. The result ending up in the workers not knowing what is the correct way or the incorrect way of doing the job? This is how this site is with all the different mods. The members don't know what is appropriate or not appropriate to post. You have to have a lot of guts just to express yourself around here anymore. [b]ArmaLiter[/b]
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Well said. You, sir, have hit the nail squarely on the head![peep]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:35:34 PM EDT
I would have put this in the car defender thread but it is now locked. BenDover and I have made our peace. I think we all now just need to take a deep breath and relax. Ben, I just wanted this made publicly as your apology was. Peace all, I am done with this. Aggie1
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:38:33 PM EDT
[pink][b][size=6]My PUSSY Hurts...[/pink][/b][/size=6] Geeze. People- lets just move ahead. Say what you feel you should! Post what you feel you should! If the Mods hose it down post it again. all this whine needs some cheese.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:40:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markm: The rules have been simplified: "agree with the mods, or shut the hell up!"
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Those are the rules on every message board on the net, just about. Very very few exceptions and they almost never last.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:40:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wiggy762: I really loved this place and what it used to be and I hope we can get back there.
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Kind of like AMERICA? Well, fat chance Bucko. Both gone forever![:(]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:43:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aggie1: I would have put this in the car defender thread but it is now locked. BenDover and I have made our peace. I think we all now just need to take a deep breath and relax. Ben, I just wanted this made publicly as your apology was. Peace all, I am done with this. Aggie1
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Aggie1, Well done my brother. If only the rest would follow your lead we can move on to bigger and better things..... Safe tour, Chris
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:45:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Grock: [pink][b][size=6]My PUSSY Hurts...[/pink][/b][/size=6] Geeze. People- lets just move ahead. Say what you feel you should! Post what you feel you should! If the Mods hose it down post it again. all this whine needs some cheese.
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Grockster, I'm a little color blind in red but I can see that something hurts.........can't quite make out what.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:45:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2002 5:46:51 PM EDT by deadeye47]
Originally Posted By Grock: [pink][b][size=6]My PUSSY Hurts...[/pink][/b][/size=6] Geeze. People- lets just move ahead. Say what you feel you should! Post what you feel you should! If the Mods hose it down post it again. all this whine needs some cheese.
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[bounce]I.B.T.P.C.P.[bounce] (In before the Political Correctness paddling!)
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:46:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Grock: [pink][b][size=6]My PUSSY Hurts...[/pink][/b][/size=6] Geeze. People- lets just move ahead. Say what you feel you should! Post what you feel you should! If the Mods hose it down post it again. all this whine needs some cheese.
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If you are a gal, you are a hell of one !
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:53:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2002 5:55:37 PM EDT by TxLewis]
Guys, this site has always had a lot of mods, it's just that Goaty showed their status as a mod in every forum now, as opposed to just the forum they were a mod in. Now I am all for free expression, but some of this idiotic racist stuff is only there to rile people up, some people here are just too needy and want the attention. Think of them as trolls. Just ignore them, and they will quit posting the crap, and it will fall to the wayside quickly. Wiggy, don't give up on the site yet. If Gen Disc is "wiggin" [:)]you, leave it for a while and go to gen firearms and others, where the stuff is almost all gun. After the idiots realize no one is reading their troll crap, come back, check in, enjoy the site for the recharge it brings. Hope to see you at the Hunapalooza. TXLEWIS edit for typo
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 5:59:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BoWilliams:
Originally Posted By wiggy762: I really loved this place and what it used to be and I hope we can get back there.
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Kind of like AMERICA? Well, fat chance Bucko. Both gone forever![:(]
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True story my friend, sad, but true. AB [USA}
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 6:06:29 PM EDT
Tell fifty people thet will get 1000.00 $$$ dollars ,all they have to do is stand in line for it and someone will always bitch that they have to stand in line for it, that is why a MOD is/will always be needed.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 6:23:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 6:51:13 PM EDT
So when does the AR15 in the logo get changed to a post-ban, for PC purposes?
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 7:38:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 7:44:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2002 8:09:12 PM EDT by toaster]
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: So, how 'bout those Packers?
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Cannon fodder for the 49'ers!![img]http://www.schedulewatch.com/images/NFL/sf.gif[/img] 49'ers-->[chainsawkill]<---Packers -T.
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 7:44:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 7:55:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2002 7:56:26 PM EDT by SPECTRE]
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: So, how 'bout those Packers?
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Packers ????....oh yea, the team who's mascot is CHEESE !!! [size=6][orange]DA-[/orange][blue]BEARS !!!![/blue][/size=6]
Link Posted: 8/22/2002 7:55:57 PM EDT
PC What an over used term. Go see what George Carlin has to say about that. I don't go out of my way to insult any one. Except maybe a PETA member. I realize that some people make an issue out of the color of someones skin, I for one believe jerks come in all colors, sex and sizes. Also nice people come in similar packages. Judge by the deeds. I am a racist. A Human Racist. Most of the mods are pretty cool. Some of them can be a holes though. I am not motivated by politics. I will speak my mind, argue a point, and read what other's write. We may or may not agree, on any or all things. You can change my mind. I'm open to new ideas. I didn't own a slave, I haven't robbed any one, I haven't killed anyone and I pay my taxes. So shut your pie holes. LOL
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