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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:08:46 PM EDT
Kind of.  They want to award their electors to the winner of the national popular vote. 

Worth a call to to your state senator if you live there.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/05/do_away_with_the_electoral_col.html
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 9:31:29 PM EDT
5.7M illegal voters in 2008. How many in 2016?  

If they want to vote with the illegals every time, who am I to stop them from throwing away their sovereignty?
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 9:36:22 PM EDT
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 9:44:26 PM EDT
They are saying their state doesn't matter - I'm ok with that.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 9:46:39 PM EDT
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Very confused people who don't understand the history of the US.
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Link Posted: 6/20/2017 9:51:32 PM EDT
A state can do whatever they want.  This seems like a good deal to me.  It puts OR in play.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:00:37 PM EDT
Yea, once voter ID goes nation wide.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:01:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By agillig:
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
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Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the  popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:01:57 PM EDT
Election losers want to abolish the electoral college.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:06:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By agillig:
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
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QFT
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:12 PM EDT
I'm liking this, but I figure there has to be a downside for Republicans. Dems would never do anything that gives an edge to Repubs. Is it just Trump derangement syndrome overcoming rational thought?
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By agillig:
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
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Shhhh!

Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By edjeep:
Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the  popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it.
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Originally Posted By edjeep:
Originally Posted By agillig:
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the  popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it.
Same. It would be epic.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:12:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:


Shhhh!

Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something
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Napoleon, Sun Tsu, whatever, they were both short.


K
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Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Shhhh!

Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something
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Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
Originally Posted By agillig:
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
Shhhh!

Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something
Is CA listening?...

ETA:  Nevermind, the presidential ratio was around 2:1, liberals to people with brains...
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:17:48 PM EDT
There is a movement to do this. that will activate when they have enough votes to win the election

Nation popular vote movement
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:41:44 PM EDT
I don't live there, but I don't like this much.  I don't trust either party.  OR might not matter, but if a bunch of states sign on to this, the election is more open to fraud.  Magically another 8m "undocumented" people in CA, NY, and IL just tilt the election. 

Make no mistake, these laws are about making election fraud easier for the big D party...
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:43:57 PM EDT
The USA needs an enema.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:50:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lead-slinger:
The USA needs an enema.
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Careful....You might make parts of San Fran giddy with anticipation....
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:53:30 PM EDT
Worst idea ever.  Potentially disenfranchises a majority of your state's voters by allowing EC votes to be determined by events outside of the state. 
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:55:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ErikOR:
I'm liking this, but I figure there has to be a downside for Republicans. Dems would never do anything that gives an edge to Repubs. Is it just Trump derangement syndrome overcoming rational thought?
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In the long run enough other states might follow their lead?
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:56:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ErikOR:
I'm liking this, but I figure there has to be a downside for Republicans. Dems would never do anything that gives an edge to Repubs. Is it just Trump derangement syndrome overcoming rational thought?
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That's what I'm getting out of it.  Oregon is a liberal state - they don't need to change a thing to ensure their electoral votes go to the Dem candidate.  However, there could hypothetically be a situation where the Rep candidate wins the popular vote, but the Dem candidate will win the electoral college (2016 in reverse), and Oregon's votes then go to the Rep candidate, and change the outcome.  This makes no sense if they are trying to help ensure the Dems win more presidential elections.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 10:58:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Worst idea ever.  Potentially disenfranchises a majority of your state's voters by allowing EC votes to be determined by events outside of the state. 
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Modern liberals don't believe in Federalism. There are no borders. There are no States.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:00:41 PM EDT
I swear, the entire West coast is acustic .
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:03:04 PM EDT
Brilliant, disenfranchise the voters in your own state and bend them to the will of others.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:19:16 PM EDT
We have some idiots in this state that are convinced they are the smartest people in the world. I overheard a few of the "intellectuals" discussing this the other day. They called it "the collegiate vote". Had to turn away so I didn't laugh in their faces. We're got some hard core moron narcissists in Portland, Eugene, and Bend that have the majority for now. Not much we can do about it this time around.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:20:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By America-first:
Brilliant, disenfranchise the voters in your own state and bend them to the will of others.
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Ok. Smarter than my answer. This. ^^^
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:30:09 PM EDT
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I'll admit I haven't thought through the nuts and bolts of it all but I'd like to see electors awarded by congressional district. At least in that way I'd think that my vote and those of my area counted for something.

Plus it would force POTUS hopefuls out of the cities and into the hinterland instead of counting on huge blocks of votes in a city or in a few counties in NoVA.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:31:42 PM EDT
I vote they and kalifornia secede and form their own union of socialist snowflakes
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:32:58 PM EDT
That's an interesting question. How many republicans stayed home in New York and California because their votes didn't count vs. the dems that stayed home in Texas?
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:33:01 PM EDT
If this passes, and then Trump creates federally mandatory voter ID..
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:33:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By agillig:
I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
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Yep, you'll see this law repealed the day after Trump wins the popular vote majority in 2020.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:34:41 PM EDT
Politicians that don't understand the concept of the Constitution.

Wonderful.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:39:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By johnh57:
Politicians that don't understand the concept of the Constitution.

Wonderful.
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The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president.

If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional.

Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:40:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Yep, you'll see this law repealed the day after Trump wins the popular vote majority in 2020.
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Or they will just pull their usual dumbocrat line and ignore the law they made...
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:40:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president.

If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional.

Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill.
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Hehe hehe.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:40:55 PM EDT
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Broken network connection turned multi-post...
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:41:01 PM EDT
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This whole thing is moot, Federal law won't allow it, the states don't have a choice. Thank god!
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:41:23 PM EDT
This is dumb, but not as dumb and damaging as 17th Amendment.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:47:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bland85:
This is dumb, but not as dumb and damaging as 17th Amendment.
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If I could work my will, repealing the 17th would be at the top of my list.

The Senate was intended to represent the state governments, not the people of each state.  The people already have their own representatives; the states should have theirs, too.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:47:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By edjeep:


Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the  popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it.
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I'm suspecting, but not hoping, that you guys could just as well change the state's name to "Multnomah" if this happens.  Sounds a bit more elegant than "King", though, which is what WA can change its name to if it ever goes down that road.  So there's that.

I'm pretty sure this is being watched.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:51:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By edjeep:


Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the  popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it.
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If that happens they'll have an emergency clause to change it back before the vote is certified, you know like on everything else.
Link Posted: 6/20/2017 11:54:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tifosi:
Modern liberals don't believe in Federalism. There are no borders. There are no States.
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Worst idea ever.  Potentially disenfranchises a majority of your state's voters by allowing EC votes to be determined by events outside of the state. 
Modern liberals don't believe in Federalism. There are no borders. There are no States.
Modern "liberals" are completely freaked out by Brexit.  They don't believe in self-rule.  I do not understand the intensity of their objections to events that don't directly affect them. 
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:07:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president.

If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional.

Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill.
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Who would be responsible for tallying the "popular vote nationwide?"  CNN?  MSNBC?  Some guy in his mom's basement with an old Texas Instruments calculator? 

As things stand now there is no entity charged with that task because there is no nationwide election for the presidency.  How would recounts be adjudicated?  Who would have standing to challenge the outcome?  None of those questions have been addressed by the NPV cucks.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:19:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Who would be responsible for tallying the "popular vote nationwide?"  CNN?  MSNBC?  Some guy in his mom's basement with an old Texas Instruments calculator? 

As things stand now there is no entity charged with that task because there is no nationwide election for the presidency.  How would recounts be adjudicated?  Who would have standing to challenge the outcome?  None of those questions have been addressed by the NPV cucks.
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Same as right now:  Each state tallies and certifies their own vote total and reports it to the public.  Then anyone can tally it.

In the past disputes about the vote totals have gone to the federal courts, which is where they would go in the future.
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 12:20:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president.

If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional.

Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill.
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The states get to decide how their delegates votes get allocated. Most states are winner take all but some split the votes by district and the extra votes go to the one with the most votes. I could see how it could be possible that the national popular vote could get contested but there is nothing outright baring it
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 3:09:06 AM EDT
Next, they should change their state motto from "Alis volat propriis" to "Vulgus regula"...
Link Posted: 6/21/2017 3:11:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Maccrage:
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Ditto.

I'm on board.
Link Posted: 6/25/2017 9:42:26 AM EDT
That's fine, states are allowed to assign their votes any way they want.
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