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Posted: 12/10/2013 8:51:53 AM EDT
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.


Link Posted: 12/10/2013 8:53:06 AM EDT
Right after we kill all the commies first...
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 8:54:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.


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Lots of Cuban cigars available in Mexico

Cuba does have some pretty good scuba diving, and there are some hot cuban chickoritas

other than that, I got no use for 'em.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 8:55:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RED_5:


Lots of Cuban cigars available in Mexico

Cuba does have some pretty good scuba diving, and there are some hot cuban chickoritas

other than that, I got no use for 'em.
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Originally Posted By RED_5:
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.




Lots of Cuban cigars available in Mexico

Cuba does have some pretty good scuba diving, and there are some hot cuban chickoritas

other than that, I got no use for 'em.


I have been to Key West... same thing, only less commies.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 8:57:45 AM EDT
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Yea I rember the shirts for the 80's to kill one for mommy.   There is a Ritz Carlton next to Red Square these days and most of the stuff in your home was made in China.  It is time to look into a different way.

Over 58,000 men died in Vietnam and I can now buy a TV set down the street at Best Buy that was built there but I can't buy a cigar that is made 90 miles away from us by a country that is no threat to us.  
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 8:58:10 AM EDT
See, I'm torn.

I totally want cuba to go back to being america's playground.





But, then there's the whole issue of the commies . . .
Especially how the run hospitals.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:01:25 AM EDT
The best way to undermine communism is to open their markets. I agree that it is time to begin opening relations with Cuba.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:03:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:12:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.


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Um, just no.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:12:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.


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Um, just no.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:17:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
The best way to undermine communism is to open their markets. I agree that it is time to begin opening relations with Cuba.
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Agreed.  

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Agreed.  



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Originally Posted By Prime:



Originally Posted By motown_steve:

The best way to undermine communism is to open their markets. I agree that it is time to begin opening relations with Cuba.




Agreed.  





I'm torn.  Any other President from either party would go in there with the objective of injecting capitalism and trying to bring them closer to our way of thinking.  I firmly believe that the current bunch of Alinsky-ites is hell bent on bringing us closer to the Cuban way of thinking.  



Maybe it's better to shelve this topic until the adults return to Washington.  



 
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:26:46 AM EDT
poop thread
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:27:58 AM EDT
Coca~Cola has won more over more countries and people for us than any war ever did.

Kind of hard to change people's minds about capitalism if they don't get  a good taste of it first.  The embargo was a retarded idea that never got better with age.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:28:08 AM EDT
At any other time with any other president than this one.

This is the wrong guy to be setting any kind of policy.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:30:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
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Fuck that.

Cuba needs American dollars a lot more than we need Cuban anything.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:31:03 AM EDT
Na- close relations with Venezuela.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:31:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:34:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.


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The blockade should've never ended.

How's that for another way?
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:35:32 AM EDT
We should open relations and crush them under the iron fist of Capitalism and McDonalds.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:37:21 AM EDT
I'll be happy when Fidel is dragged in chains through Little Havana.

Not until then...
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:38:24 AM EDT
If we opened the embargo, Havana would be FLOODED with Americans and US Dollars. It's the easiest way to undermine their system.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:39:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
If we opened the embargo, Havana would be FLOODED with Americans and US Dollars. It's the easiest way to undermine their system.
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Bingo.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:43:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mr_camera_man:
I firmly believe that the current bunch of Alinsky-ites is hell bent on bringing us closer to the Cuban way of thinking.
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Yeah . . .

Opening up the borders currently means a bunch of communist propaganda on the news 24/7 about how much better things are down there.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:45:25 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By Zaphod:


I'll be happy when Fidel is dragged in chains through Little Havana.



Not until then...
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Cuban-American ancestry?




You have to realize that it's never going to happen right? The only way to undermine Cuban communism and improve the lives of the Cuban people is to open their markets and start greenbacks flowing in.
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Originally Posted By 57fairlane:
Yeah . . .



Opening up the borders currently means a bunch of communist propaganda on the news 24/7 about how much better things are down there.
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Originally Posted By 57fairlane:



Originally Posted By mr_camera_man:

I firmly believe that the current bunch of Alinsky-ites is hell bent on bringing us closer to the Cuban way of thinking.




Yeah . . .



Opening up the borders currently means a bunch of communist propaganda on the news 24/7 about how much better things are down there.




 




You don't watch the news much do you?
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:46:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
Coca~Cola has won more over more countries and people for us than any war ever did.

Kind of hard to change people's minds about capitalism if they don't get  a good taste of it first.  The embargo was a retarded idea that never got better with age.
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195 other countries do business with Cuba.

If we start it isn't going to change a single thing there.

Keep living the dream.



Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:48:22 AM EDT
Open it up. I swear, the red scare here is unbelievable. Regardless, opening up the border would transition them to a market based economy quickly. China is communist in name only now, I wonder why. Of course, they're still authoritarian.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:48:54 AM EDT
Needs more poll.

I say... why not?
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:50:59 AM EDT
Seriously, is Cuba any bigger of a threat to the United States than our current administration?
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:51:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AeroE:

I'd bet The Kenyan has met blown the Castro brothers before.

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FIFY
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:52:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

 

You don't watch the news much do you?
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By 57fairlane:
Originally Posted By mr_camera_man:
I firmly believe that the current bunch of Alinsky-ites is hell bent on bringing us closer to the Cuban way of thinking.


Yeah . . .

Opening up the borders currently means a bunch of communist propaganda on the news 24/7 about how much better things are down there.

 

You don't watch the news much do you?


We don't have "news" on Cuba short of Michael Moore movies, Jay-Z/Beyonce trips, and youtube 50s car movies.

Go back and look.  I promise I wrote other words after "24/7"
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

  Cuban-American ancestry?

You have to realize that it's never going to happen right? The only way to undermine Cuban communism and improve the lives of the Cuban people is to open their markets and start greenbacks flowing in.
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'll be happy when Fidel is dragged in chains through Little Havana.

Not until then...

  Cuban-American ancestry?

You have to realize that it's never going to happen right? The only way to undermine Cuban communism and improve the lives of the Cuban people is to open their markets and start greenbacks flowing in.



I still want him dragged through the street, preferably feet-first.

Sorry, but being part of the "that motherfucker imprisoned and murdered members of my family" club doesn't make me pine for the idea of him getting away with it.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:53:53 AM EDT
oh no we can;t do business with evil commies while we do pretty much all of our fucking business with china.  

I say open trade with cuba
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:57:11 AM EDT
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Bingo.
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
If we opened the embargo, Havana would be FLOODED with Americans and US Dollars. It's the easiest way to undermine their system.


Bingo.


This.

I have traveled to China, I am typing on a computer with Chinese-made parts, I have clothes made in Vietnam, etc. Vietnam now wants our help in combating Chinese influence in the South China Sea and China is our largest trading partner. We lost over 50K men in the Vietnam War, the Chinese killed over 150 million of their own people under Mao, yet we embargo a nothing island. I say we crush them with capitalism.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:58:19 AM EDT
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Trading extensively with the commies seems to kill them off more than bullets.

Case in point: Warsaw Pact late 1980s.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:59:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zaphod:



I still want him dragged through the street, preferably feet-first.

Sorry, but being part of the "that motherfucker imprisoned and murdered members of my family" club doesn't make me pine for the idea of him getting away with it.
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Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
I'll be happy when Fidel is dragged in chains through Little Havana.

Not until then...

  Cuban-American ancestry?

You have to realize that it's never going to happen right? The only way to undermine Cuban communism and improve the lives of the Cuban people is to open their markets and start greenbacks flowing in.



I still want him dragged through the street, preferably feet-first.

Sorry, but being part of the "that motherfucker imprisoned and murdered members of my family" club doesn't make me pine for the idea of him getting away with it.

Ever actually been there?
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 9:59:46 AM EDT
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Fuck that.

Cuba needs American dollars a lot more than we need Cuban anything.
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Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.


Fuck that.

Cuba needs American dollars a lot more than we need Cuban anything.


I'd like Cuban sugar more than USA high fructose corn syrup
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
If we opened the embargo, Havana the Cuban Government would be FLOODED with Americans and US Dollars.
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FIFY

Turning the taps on now would just feed the Red beast, and let the suffering go on longer.
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That doesn't seem to be a stumbling block with China or Vietnam.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 10:02:01 AM EDT
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People replying to Zaphod, enjoy some free advice: sticking your finger in a sausage grinder is a better and more productive idea than attempting to have this conversation.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:


FIFY

Turning the taps on now would just feed the Red beast, and let the suffering go on longer.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
If we opened the embargo, Havana the Cuban Government would be FLOODED with Americans and US Dollars.


FIFY

Turning the taps on now would just feed the Red beast, and let the suffering go on longer.


Because after 50 years we've just about got them to surrender.  
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 10:02:37 AM EDT
do we really need to deal with another piss ant third world hell hole?

seems to me we ought to be adding to the club not taking folks off ...
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 10:03:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RNB32:
Open it up. I swear, the red scare here is unbelievable. Regardless, opening up the border would transition them to a market based economy quickly. China is communist in name only now, I wonder why. Of course, they're still authoritarian.
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So we want to empower another authoritarian regime closer to home?  People citing China keep assuming incorrectly that others approve of the US relationship with China.

Link Posted: 12/10/2013 10:03:17 AM EDT
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I have been to Key West... same thing, only less commies.
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Originally Posted By RED_5:
Originally Posted By stpeteaustin:
Obama, after the wake pull Raul aside, ask him if he has any cigars and rum, pour a glass, light up and do at least one good thing in your terms and open up relations with Cuba.

It is time to end over fifty years of failed policy and try another way.




Lots of Cuban cigars available in Mexico

Cuba does have some pretty good scuba diving, and there are some hot cuban chickoritas

other than that, I got no use for 'em.


I have been to Key West... same thing, only less commies.


Key West probably has more commies per 1,000 citizens than Cuba.
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Originally Posted By IchWarrior:
Seriously, is Cuba any bigger of a threat to the United States than our current administration?
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This
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Doesn't stop us from buying tens of thousands of container ships full of Commie Chinese crap.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 10:29:03 AM EDT
/tin foil hat on/ Obama will need Cuban Commie Soldiers to help pacify the Americans who stand up to Communism here at home /tin foil hat off/
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 10:55:13 AM EDT
Turn the whole island into a massive prison. Think Escape from LA or Escape from New York... Then we get going on those Shark Laserbeams and we should be all set.
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You don't send prisoners to paradise, you idiot.
Link Posted: 12/10/2013 11:14:19 AM EDT
I cannot fathom why we still don't cooperate with them.



Just think, we bring them into the fold (90 damn miles) and idiots like venezuela have one less friend who will do anything for them. Isolate the real idiots...

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