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Posted: 10/26/2013 1:21:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 1:22:18 PM EST by jrzy]
This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention, she is open carrying because she is from Texas and does not have a La carry permit so she is carrying the only way she can right then.

The female cop gets a little frustrated because the girl is not breaking any law so lies to her so she'll stop carrying the gun.
Read the full update under the video too.

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Some jobs require integrity and some jobs don't.
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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:35:37 PM EST
"Got pulled over - finally"


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She actually handled it pretty well, she didn't really argue, she got the cop on video lying which she verified with the dept Lt
And she even made a smart assed remark about her location and how many guns she has, "want to find out , find me"
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I know, reading is for suckers huh?

Yes, I know I didn't have to give her my ID, but I didn't feel like arguing. Also, for those saying that I did this hoping to get pulled over, that's not what I meant when I said "finally getting pulled over". I said that because I knew it would happen at some point (I've seen many youtube videos of it). I had already been open carrying my firearm for weeks before getting stopped. I ride my bike cause I have no car - not because I want attention. I carry a gun because I don't want to be a victim.

***I called the department. Spoke to a Lieutenant. He assured me there was no city ordinance against open carry and that I could continue to do so. I continue to Open Carry and have had no problems since. ***
Also, LOL buy a can of pepper spray my ass

***I uploaded this directly from my iphone so I wasn't able to cut out my personal info, just know that if you find me, you'll find out just exactly how many guns I own***
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:39:17 PM EST
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.
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Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:41:45 PM EST
1) This video is old. We've done it more than a few times.

2) There are a lot of cops out there that don't care about the law.
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Originally Posted By jrzy:



I know, reading is for suckers huh?

Yes, I know I didn't have to give her my ID, but I didn't feel like arguing. Also, for those saying that I did this hoping to get pulled over, that's not what I meant when I said "finally getting pulled over". I said that because I knew it would happen at some point (I've seen many youtube videos of it). I had already been open carrying my firearm for weeks before getting stopped. I ride my bike cause I have no car - not because I want attention. I carry a gun because I don't want to be a victim.

***I called the department. Spoke to a Lieutenant. He assured me there was no city ordinance against open carry and that I could continue to do so. I continue to Open Carry and have had no problems since. ***
Also, LOL buy a can of pepper spray my ass



Good for you. And maybe the residents of this charming little town will urge their public officials to educate themselves and/or not lie to visitors.




***I uploaded this directly from my iphone so I wasn't able to cut out my personal info, just know that if you find me, you'll find out just exactly how many guns I own***
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
"Got pulled over - finally"



I know, reading is for suckers huh?

Yes, I know I didn't have to give her my ID, but I didn't feel like arguing. Also, for those saying that I did this hoping to get pulled over, that's not what I meant when I said "finally getting pulled over". I said that because I knew it would happen at some point (I've seen many youtube videos of it). I had already been open carrying my firearm for weeks before getting stopped. I ride my bike cause I have no car - not because I want attention. I carry a gun because I don't want to be a victim.

***I called the department. Spoke to a Lieutenant. He assured me there was no city ordinance against open carry and that I could continue to do so. I continue to Open Carry and have had no problems since. ***
Also, LOL buy a can of pepper spray my ass



Good for you. And maybe the residents of this charming little town will urge their public officials to educate themselves and/or not lie to visitors.




***I uploaded this directly from my iphone so I wasn't able to cut out my personal info, just know that if you find me, you'll find out just exactly how many guns I own***

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Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.
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Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.



Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.

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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.

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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.



Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.




Yes I concur constitutional carry for the win. Didn't mean to come off as grumpy either sorry bout that. Stay safe.
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Yes I concur constitutional carry for the win. Didn't mean to come off as grumpy either sorry bout that. Stay safe.
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Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.



Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.




Yes I concur constitutional carry for the win. Didn't mean to come off as grumpy either sorry bout that. Stay safe.


No worries, my typing ability is rapidly degrading in inverse proportion to the amount of beers I'm drinking.

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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By Monkey_Wrench:
"Got pulled over - finally"


I know, reading is for suckers huh?

Yes, I know I didn't have to give her my ID, but I didn't feel like arguing. Also, for those saying that I did this hoping to get pulled over, that's not what I meant when I said "finally getting pulled over". I said that because I knew it would happen at some point (I've seen many youtube videos of it). I had already been open carrying my firearm for weeks before getting stopped. I ride my bike cause I have no car - not because I want attention. I carry a gun because I don't want to be a victim.

***I called the department. Spoke to a Lieutenant. He assured me there was no city ordinance against open carry and that I could continue to do so. I continue to Open Carry and have had no problems since. ***
Also, LOL buy a can of pepper spray my ass

***I uploaded this directly from my iphone so I wasn't able to cut out my personal info, just know that if you find me, you'll find out just exactly how many guns I own***

Oh yeah, that's surely what she meant.

Once again -
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 7:56:10 PM EST
That's my hometown.

When I go back to visit friends I stay with somebody outside the city limits.
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:

No worries, my typing ability is rapidly degrading in inverse proportion to the amount of beers I'm drinking.

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That's direct proportion. It was indirect proportion in that WKRP episode with Johnny Fever and the DWI test.
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That's direct proportion. It was indirect proportion in that WKRP episode with Johnny Fever and the DWI test.
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:

No worries, my typing ability is rapidly degrading in inverse proportion to the amount of beers I'm drinking.


That's direct proportion. It was indirect proportion in that WKRP episode with Johnny Fever and the DWI test.


I'm a cop not a doctor, Jim!
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Cops are allowed to lie to us.
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.
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She could have been filming to protect herself.

Would you blame her after watching the video ?
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.

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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.



Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.



Louisiana does have free open carry with no permit.

That is the point. She was legal and the cops didn't care.

Not much different than the guy in Wyoming who was harassed over open carry. I think it was in Lincoln county. There was a thread about that awhile ago.

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Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.

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Louisiana does have free open carry with no permit.

That is the point. She was legal and the cops didn't care.

Not much different than the guy in Wyoming who was harassed over open carry. I think it was in Lincoln county. There was a thread about that awhile ago.

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Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.



Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.



Louisiana does have free open carry with no permit.

That is the point. She was legal and the cops didn't care.

Not much different than the guy in Wyoming who was harassed over open carry. I think it was in Lincoln county. There was a thread about that awhile ago.



And that was all kinds of screwed up.
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Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.

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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.



Maybe the cop didn't lie. Maybe she really didn't know the law. I've seen that myself from cops more than once.
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:


And that was all kinds of screwed up.
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Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg:
"This girl does not appear to be looking for trouble or attention"

<nods head> Uh huh, and that's why she was filming?

Silly open/concealed carry laws are silly.

Reason #5,673 why I love Wyoming.



Maybe she was filming just to cover her ass incase she ran into a person who isn't honest. While were jumping to conclusions.


Sorry, perhaps you're right. I'm just saying that all states should recognize Constitutional carry.

And this is GD, where jumping to conclusions is an Olympic Sport.



Louisiana does have free open carry with no permit.

That is the point. She was legal and the cops didn't care.

Not much different than the guy in Wyoming who was harassed over open carry. I think it was in Lincoln county. There was a thread about that awhile ago.



And that was all kinds of screwed up.


Yes it is and my point is if it can happen in Wyoming it can happen anywhere.
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Originally Posted By 74AKZ:


Maybe the cop didn't lie. Maybe she really didn't know the law. I've seen that myself from cops more than once.
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Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.



Maybe the cop didn't lie. Maybe she really didn't know the law. I've seen that myself from cops more than once.
She said flat out there was a city ordinance prohibiting the open carry of a firearm.
That is a lie.
She didn't say there might be a law regarding it, she said there was a law
She did not like the gun being carried openly , stevie wonder could see that
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Do any of the Louisiana members of Arfcom Open Carry? I'm in Louisiana quite often and I've yet to see anyone open carry there.
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Maybe the cop didn't lie. Maybe she really didn't know the law. I've seen that myself from cops more than once.
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Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.



Maybe the cop didn't lie. Maybe she really didn't know the law. I've seen that myself from cops more than once.


HA HA! " I didn't know the speed limit officer, I didn't see the sign"........ ever get you out of a ticket??

Ever been told " ignorance of the law is no excuse"?

Those that enforce the laws better darn well know them or look for another job.
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Originally Posted By Dipper:


HA HA! " I didn't know the speed limit officer, I didn't see the sign"........ ever get you out of a ticket??

Ever been told " ignorance of the law is no excuse"?

Those that enforce the laws better darn well know them or look for another job.
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Originally Posted By Dipper:
Originally Posted By 74AKZ:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.



Maybe the cop didn't lie. Maybe she really didn't know the law. I've seen that myself from cops more than once.


HA HA! " I didn't know the speed limit officer, I didn't see the sign"........ ever get you out of a ticket??

Ever been told " ignorance of the law is no excuse"?

Those that enforce the laws better darn well know them or look for another job.


Oh I'm not defending her.

They ought to know the law better. I have had them tell me numerous things that I know to be false.

It is rather disturbing.
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I see so few videos about people carrying concealed, even illegally. How odd.
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I see so few videos about people carrying concealed, even illegally. How odd.
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Best comment in ALL of the "open carry" threads.
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Best comment in ALL of the "open carry" threads.
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I see so few videos about people carrying concealed, even illegally. How odd.


Best comment in ALL of the "open carry" threads.


He just hasn't come out of the closet yet.
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Best comment in ALL of the "open carry" threads.
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I see so few videos about people carrying concealed, even illegally. How odd.


Best comment in ALL of the "open carry" threads.

Yeah, because forced behavior modification is GOOD!
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How can I link to the "After" follow up?
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I'm taking this girls side because she was from Texas visiting La and carried the only way she could legally.
She was not attention whoring , not as far as I can tell.
She genuinely likes guns and shooting (from her other videos on youtube)
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Yes, I know I didn't have to give her my ID, but I didn't feel like arguing. Also, for those saying that I did this hoping to get pulled over, that's not what I meant when I said "finally getting pulled over". I said that because I knew it would happen at some point (I've seen many youtube videos of it). I had already been open carrying my firearm for weeks before getting stopped. I ride my bike cause I have no car - not because I want attention. I carry a gun because I don't want to be a victim.

***I called the department. Spoke to a Lieutenant. He assured me there was no city ordinance against open carry and that I could continue to do so. I continue to Open Carry and have had no problems since. ***
Also, LOL buy a can of pepper spray my ass

***I uploaded this directly from my iphone so I wasn't able to cut out my personal info, just know that if you find me, you'll find out just exactly how many guns I own***
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
I'm taking this girls side because she was from Texas visiting La and carried the only way she could legally.
She was not attention whoring , not as far as I can tell.
She genuinely likes guns and shooting (from her other videos on youtube)
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
I see so few videos about people carrying concealed, even illegally. How odd.
I'm taking this girls side because she was from Texas visiting La and carried the only way she could legally.
She was not attention whoring , not as far as I can tell.
She genuinely likes guns and shooting (from her other videos on youtube)

More info on open carrier please.
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More info on open carrier please.
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
I see so few videos about people carrying concealed, even illegally. How odd.
I'm taking this girls side because she was from Texas visiting La and carried the only way she could legally.
She was not attention whoring , not as far as I can tell.
She genuinely likes guns and shooting (from her other videos on youtube)

More info on open carrier please.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rubberduckie4Life/videos
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.
The police can lie about almost anything, including making up imaginary laws. Charging you with violating said imaginary law is another matter.
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The police can lie about almost anything, including making up imaginary laws. Charging you with violating said imaginary law is another matter.
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.
The police can lie about almost anything, including making up imaginary laws. Charging you with violating said imaginary law is another matter.


Bullshit....if a cop wants to arrest you, he can and will. There are specific charges that have been created for this entire purpose. Basically just a miscellaneous category for people who piss off or make an officer look like a fool when they question their authority. Please see "disorderly conduct".

I am not a cop basher just for the sake of cop bashing.....but in 33 years on this planet, my personal experiences dealing with and personally knowing many cops, it has been my experience that the vast majority are conceited assholes who have an ego that rivals any politician / authority figure. I do not extrapolate that view to the entire LEO community, but I am also not going to write all those experiences off as an "isolated incident".

It is what it is and I will continue to be respectful in any encounter with LEO's, as I have also encountered many good men, but the asshole to good guy ratio is not proportionate to other professions in my opinion. YMMV.
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Bullshit....if a cop wants to arrest you, he can and will. There are specific charges that have been created for this entire purpose. Basically just a miscellaneous category for people who piss off or make an officer look like a fool when they question their authority. Please see "disorderly conduct".

I am not a cop basher just for the sake of cop bashing.....but in 33 years on this planet, my personal experiences dealing with and personally knowing many cops, it has been my experience that the vast majority are conceited assholes who have an ego that rivals any politician / authority figure. I do not extrapolate that view to the entire LEO community, but I am also not going to write all those experiences off as an "isolated incident".

It is what it is and I will continue to be respectful in any encounter with LEO's, as I have also encountered many good men, but the asshole to good guy ratio is not proportionate to other professions in my opinion. YMMV.
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A cop can lie to you and tell you it's illegal to do something. For example, tell you it's against the law to open carry, even though it is not. What he cannot do is charge you with breaking that imaginary law. This "disorderly conduct" angle you're taking is a completely different ball game. They can charge you with violating any EXISTING CRIME they choose. They cannot charge you with violating an imaginary one.
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Free state problems.
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And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
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And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.


And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
In a lot of states you lie to an LEO while he's investigating a crime and you get charged with "making a false report" or making a false statement to police"
maybe not everywhere but everywhere I know about.
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
In a lot of states you lie to an LEO while he's investigating a crime and you get charged with "making a false report" or making a false statement to police"
maybe not everywhere but everywhere I know about.
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Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.


And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
In a lot of states you lie to an LEO while he's investigating a crime and you get charged with "making a false report" or making a false statement to police"
maybe not everywhere but everywhere I know about.


True, but that's a specific instance. Most of the time I can't do anything about someone lying to me. The statement was "cops are allowed to lie to us". Which is not 100% true either. If we are going to sit around and make blanket statements, I'm going to join in.
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Originally Posted By DevilPig:And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
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Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
False. The simple fact is that making false statements to police officers is a crime in and of itself in the vast majority of the U.S. What did Martha Stewart go jail for? Lying to an investigator.
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Most of the time I can't do anything about someone lying to me.
If there is a law in your locale against lying to an investigator, then there is.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 9:09:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
False. The simple fact is that making false statements to police officers is a crime in and of itself in the vast majority of the U.S. What did Martha Stewart go jail for? Lying to an investigator.
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
False. The simple fact is that making false statements to police officers is a crime in and of itself in the vast majority of the U.S. What did Martha Stewart go jail for? Lying to an investigator.


Wrong.

Yes, while in the course of an investigation and about information pertinent to that investigation, it can become a crime. Lying in general is not a crime.

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Originally Posted By sanunan:


Bullshit....if a cop wants to arrest you, he can and will. There are specific charges that have been created for this entire purpose. Basically just a miscellaneous category for people who piss off or make an officer look like a fool when they question their authority. Please see "disorderly conduct".

I am not a cop basher just for the sake of cop bashing.....but in 33 years on this planet, my personal experiences dealing with and personally knowing many cops, it has been my experience that the vast majority are conceited assholes who have an ego that rivals any politician / authority figure. I do not extrapolate that view to the entire LEO community, but I am also not going to write all those experiences off as an "isolated incident".

It is what it is and I will continue to be respectful in any encounter with LEO's, as I have also encountered many good men, but the asshole to good guy ratio is not proportionate to other professions in my opinion. YMMV.
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Originally Posted By sanunan:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
Yes when trying to trick you into confessing
Not when telling you there is a law to prevent you from doing something legal they just don't like.
The police can lie about almost anything, including making up imaginary laws. Charging you with violating said imaginary law is another matter.


Bullshit....if a cop wants to arrest you, he can and will. There are specific charges that have been created for this entire purpose. Basically just a miscellaneous category for people who piss off or make an officer look like a fool when they question their authority. Please see "disorderly conduct".

I am not a cop basher just for the sake of cop bashing.....but in 33 years on this planet, my personal experiences dealing with and personally knowing many cops, it has been my experience that the vast majority are conceited assholes who have an ego that rivals any politician / authority figure. I do not extrapolate that view to the entire LEO community, but I am also not going to write all those experiences off as an "isolated incident".

It is what it is and I will continue to be respectful in any encounter with LEO's, as I have also encountered many good men, but the asshole to good guy ratio is not proportionate to other professions in my opinion. YMMV.

It really depends on the person. A family member of mine was a very decent guy before becoming a cop, after several years on the job, I can hardly stand to be around him, the arrogance is really not very pretty.

That said, I have a second friend who was also a very decent guy before becoming a cop, and after several years on the job... he still is...

Therein lies the bulk of my first-hand experience. Fortunately, the cops I've dealt with in their professional lives (i.e. when they pull me over) have all been pretty decent. That said, I get pulled over maybe twice per decade, and I'm generally cordial and polite to them as well.
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
False. The simple fact is that making false statements to police officers is a crime in and of itself in the vast majority of the U.S. What did Martha Stewart go jail for? Lying to an investigator.If there is a law in your locale against lying to an investigator, then there is.
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Originally Posted By txgp17:
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
False. The simple fact is that making false statements to police officers is a crime in and of itself in the vast majority of the U.S. What did Martha Stewart go jail for? Lying to an investigator.
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Most of the time I can't do anything about someone lying to me.
If there is a law in your locale against lying to an investigator, then there is.


Didnt Martha lie to a Fed tho?

Big difference compared to the rest of the country..
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


Didnt Martha lie to a Fed tho?

Big difference compared to the rest of the country..
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Originally Posted By txgp17:
Cops are allowed to lie to us.
And people are allowed to lie to us. They do it all the time to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
False. The simple fact is that making false statements to police officers is a crime in and of itself in the vast majority of the U.S. What did Martha Stewart go jail for? Lying to an investigator.
Originally Posted By DevilPig:
Most of the time I can't do anything about someone lying to me.
If there is a law in your locale against lying to an investigator, then there is.


Didnt Martha lie to a Fed tho?

Big difference compared to the rest of the country..
Yep, making false statements to federal investigators
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