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Posted: 6/30/2008 10:52:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/1/2008 7:39:37 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Tamal (Moe-Ron) is in the hospital. He is in an induced coma, has been for a while now, doctors aren't sure exactly what's going on.

I got an e-mail from him Friday morning the 19th of June saying he was sorry about not getting back to everybody, seems he had a 104.4 temp and pneumonia. He had just graduated from Oregon State ; hell of a graduation gift I thought.

Come to find out he was back in the hospital Saturday and by Sunday the 22nd he was having seizures about every 45-minutes. Doctors weren't sure (still aren't sure) what's going on so they induced a coma to keep him from having the seizures.

At this point in time the CT scan and the three MRIs have been negative. All tests sent out have returned negative, but more are pending. The seizure meds weren't controlling the seizures as the doctors were waking him up from his coma. The more awake his brain, the stronger the seizures became. So, to protect his brain, he's now back in the drug induced coma.

Tamal needs help, prayers, good thoughts (however things like that work for you) and money. Some friends have set up their PayPal account for donations to him. He did just graduate, don't know that he's got a ton-o-money and has no insurance; he's probably going to need all the help he can get. If you can send $5, $10, $20... anything, I'm sure he and his family will appreciate it.

You can PayPal any funds to: helptamal@yahoo.com

If PayPal doesn't work for you and you would like to snail mail something, IM me, I'll give you a street address.


<Edit to restore PayPal info following proper approval. --tbk1>
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:53:34 AM EST
Waiting to see if Staff can vett/approve this and tack it....


Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:54:45 AM EST
tag

man, that's absolutely terrible
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:54:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/30/2008 10:55:02 AM EST by SonOfNorway]
jwb?

tag for further results
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:55:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By SonOfNorway:
jwb?

tag for further results


my first thought too.. which is sad..
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:56:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/30/2008 1:41:57 PM EST by ch139]

Originally Posted By SonOfNorway:
jwb?

tag for further results

Oh hell NO!

I know Justin...

No, this is for real unfortunately.
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:59:08 AM EST
Where do they have him at? OHSU?
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 10:59:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Where do they have him at? OHSU?

Good Sam in Corvallis, he's in the ICU
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:01:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/30/2008 11:02:46 AM EST by DHSGMAN]
Have you been there and witnessed all of this, or is this second hand accounting of the events?

How would donations help him? Does he have insurance? I can't see donating funds every time someone has a crisis, it really cheapens the whole "community get together and help someone" cause.

Please explain why donations are needed.

Prayers are in good order, I will pray for his full recovery.
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:03:20 AM EST
man they should get his ass up to OHSU!
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:03:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:05:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/30/2008 11:07:05 AM EST by ch139]

Originally Posted By DHSGMAN:
Have you been there and witnessed all of this, or is this second hand accounting of the events?

How would donations help him? Does he have insurance? I can't see donating funds every time someone has a crisis, it really cheapens the whole "community get together and help someone" cause.

Please explain why donations are needed.

Prayers are in good order, I will pray for his full recovery.

Been to his home and talked with his girlfriend and mother (here from LA); it is real.

They're asking for financial help as Tamal doesn't have insurance and is just out of school.


Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
man they should get his ass up to OHSU!

I would think so too, but I'm not a doctor.

Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:15:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:31:28 AM EST
Prayers sent.

I can tell you this about Good Sam in Corvallis, they are a good hospital and they take good care of you whether you can pay or not.

My mother has been in there a couple of times, including a heart bypass. She is an 11 year survivor.
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:33:36 AM EST
Hope the staff gets on this with the tac.....
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:35:34 AM EST
He needs a spinal tap.
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 12:20:48 PM EST
Prayers sent!

LMK if there is anything we can do locally for him.
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 12:22:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 12:23:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 12:53:11 PM EST
Nice to know this isn't a Justinwb scheme, not that I thought it was. I guess I'm just trying to say thanks for the confirmation.


Originally Posted By ch139:

Originally Posted By DHSGMAN:
Have you been there and witnessed all of this, or is this second hand accounting of the events?

How would donations help him? Does he have insurance? I can't see donating funds every time someone has a crisis, it really cheapens the whole "community get together and help someone" cause.

Please explain why donations are needed.

Prayers are in good order, I will pray for his full recovery.

Been to his home and talked with his girlfriend and mother (here from LA); it is real.

They're asking for financial help as Tamal doesn't have insurance and is just out of school.


Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
man they should get his ass up to OHSU!

I would think so too, but I'm not a doctor.

Link Posted: 6/30/2008 1:08:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 7:01:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Noxspector:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Prayers sent!

LMK if there is anything we can do locally for him.


+1





+ 2

Please keep us post CH139
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 7:37:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 7:44:18 AM EST
Prayers sent.
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 9:02:47 AM EST

Our prayers are with him.

Link Posted: 7/1/2008 9:11:11 AM EST
Thank you to the Site Staff and Mods that have helped put this up.

-Chris
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 9:12:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/3/2008 9:34:07 PM EST by ch139]
Update I was sent from last night...

The good news first -
The 3rd MRI yesterday was negative.
Today all the tests from his 2nd lumbar puncture (LP) were (all) negative (testing for things like HSV, Lyme Disease, West Nile Virus, etc.).
Once again the doctors are stunned.

The not so good news is that his seizure meds are not working - his brain continues to be irritated and show seizure activity every hour or two (as well as with physical stimulation) on the EEG monitor (though we don't see them physically because of the pentobarbitol coma).

Link Posted: 7/1/2008 9:13:32 AM EST
Prayers
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 1:41:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By reconBYfire:
Prayers


+1
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 3:12:59 PM EST
that sucks. Best wishes.
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 8:29:41 PM EST
Update for 7/1

Tamal should be up at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU) by now, he was moved up there today. Medically he's stable, still in the coma, but the seizures (not clinical/outward/grand mal) are continuing every 1-2 hours. No one has seen anything like this - 3 neurologists, and a sleep/seizure specialist. OHSU offers a different set of brains, having had different exposure, and better access to resources. Plus, being a university hospital - they may have more up their sleeve. They have a neuro ICU, plus there's an infectious disease team up there - so even though they aren't focusing on that right now - it may jog ideas a different direction if it fits any pattern that team can recognize.
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 10:21:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By ch139:
Usdate I was sent from last night...

The good news first -
The 3rd MRI yesterday was negative.
Today all the tests from his 2nd lumbar puncture (LP) were (all) negative (testing for things like HSV, Lyme Disease, West Nile Virus, etc.).
Once again the doctors are stunned.

The not so good news is that his seizure meds are not working - his brain continues to be irritated and show seizure activity every hour or two (as well as with physical stimulation) on the EEG monitor (though we don't see them physically because of the pentobarbitol coma).



Not great news about the EEG. They will probably continue the coma for a while to let his brain cool off. Seizures begat seizures, so they can snowball. Hopefully, stopping the electrographical seizures will allow them to wake him up. If there isn't a neurologist ( or even better an epileptologist) involved, I would ask for one.
Link Posted: 7/1/2008 10:22:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By ch139:
Update for 7/1

Tamal should be up at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU) by now, he was moved up there today. Medically he's stable, still in the coma, but the seizures (not clinical/outward/grand mal) are continuing every 1-2 hours. No one has seen anything like this - 3 neurologists, and a sleep/seizure specialist. OHSU offers a different set of brains, having had different exposure, and better access to resources. Plus, being a university hospital - they may have more up their sleeve. They have a neuro ICU, plus there's an infectious disease team up there - so even though they aren't focusing on that right now - it may jog ideas a different direction if it fits any pattern that team can recognize.


I'm sorry, I didn't see your update. Sounds like he is in good hands.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 12:49:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Our prayers are with him.


Link Posted: 7/2/2008 1:03:51 PM EST
Unfortunately, thats why doctors call what they do a "Practice", because most of the time, they don't have a clue and they truly are practicing.

One would think that with all the medical knowledge in that one particular hospital, someone would know what to do.

I hope he pulls through in spite of the lack of medical knowledge surrounding him.

Link Posted: 7/2/2008 5:39:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By JH225:
Unfortunately, thats why doctors call what they do a "Practice", because most of the time, they don't have a clue and they truly are practicing.

One would think that with all the medical knowledge in that one particular hospital, someone would know what to do.

I hope he pulls through in spite of the lack of medical knowledge surrounding him.



Right.

And how many more years of training, education, and experience do YOU have compared to those three different neurologists? And so, doctor, how would YOU manage a difficult case of refractory seizures, sufficiently severe to necessitate a pentobarb coma, with no certain etiology?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

I'm sorry you hate your doctors, but let's keep your personal opinions out of this thread, shall we?

Link Posted: 7/2/2008 6:01:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:

Originally Posted By JH225:
Unfortunately, thats why doctors call what they do a "Practice", because most of the time, they don't have a clue and they truly are practicing.

One would think that with all the medical knowledge in that one particular hospital, someone would know what to do.

I hope he pulls through in spite of the lack of medical knowledge surrounding him.



Right.

And how many more years of training, education, and experience do YOU have compared to those three different neurologists? And so, doctor, how would YOU manage a difficult case of refractory seizures, sufficiently severe to necessitate a pentobarb coma, with no certain etiology?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

I'm sorry you hate your doctors, but let's keep your personal opinions out of this thread, shall we?



Sorry, but your point only furthers mine. And I have quite a few personal instances to prove mine.

Like I said, I hope the doctors can figure out what is wrong and he fully recovers.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 7:00:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By ch139:
Update for 7/1

Tamal should be up at Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU) by now, he was moved up there today. Medically he's stable, still in the coma, but the seizures (not clinical/outward/grand mal) are continuing every 1-2 hours. No one has seen anything like this - 3 neurologists, and a sleep/seizure specialist. OHSU offers a different set of brains, having had different exposure, and better access to resources. Plus, being a university hospital - they may have more up their sleeve. They have a neuro ICU, plus there's an infectious disease team up there - so even though they aren't focusing on that right now - it may jog ideas a different direction if it fits any pattern that team can recognize.

Prayers out for his recovery. I'll see if we can swing some funds to go his way.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 7:02:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 7:57:04 PM EST
Scary stuff. If cash is needed desperately, let us know. I'll kick in $10 or so, even though I'm facing unemployment next month.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 8:11:31 PM EST
Tamal (Moeron) has been a personal friend of mine for almost all my life. We both grew up near in each other in Los Angeles. I can vouch for the authenticity of his condition.

My prayers go out to him and his family and I thank Chris for setting this up.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 9:42:10 PM EST
Lotta times I agree with JH225, but hope and pray that the doctors working on Tamal get everything they need to help him and do all the can. I'd be grateful though if we can keep those comments out of this particular thread. Thanks.

For all the prayers, good thoughts and money people have sent... Thank you. I'm grateful and know Tamal's family is too. Everything helps.

Lee0302, Tamal's mom we telling me stories about you two as kids a few days ago. Something about a steep hill and getting in trouble when you were little.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 9:43:02 PM EST
Update from Tamal's family for 7/2...

They are planning to move Tamal into a deep(er) level of coma since he's so unresponsive to the seizure meds, and will periodically try to bring him out of it to see if the seizures return as he wakes. He's still having way too many seizures, and is too lightly sedated. It'll be "brain rest" that could last weeks, or even months.
Link Posted: 7/2/2008 9:50:47 PM EST
I don't paypal, but would send a $20 out via US Postal MO. IM me an address/ info. For now I send my thoughts and prayers.
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 2:13:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By JH225:

Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:

Originally Posted By JH225:
Unfortunately, thats why doctors call what they do a "Practice", because most of the time, they don't have a clue and they truly are practicing.

One would think that with all the medical knowledge in that one particular hospital, someone would know what to do.

I hope he pulls through in spite of the lack of medical knowledge surrounding him.



Right.

And how many more years of training, education, and experience do YOU have compared to those three different neurologists? And so, doctor, how would YOU manage a difficult case of refractory seizures, sufficiently severe to necessitate a pentobarb coma, with no certain etiology?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

I'm sorry you hate your doctors, but let's keep your personal opinions out of this thread, shall we?



Sorry, but your point only furthers mine. And I have quite a few personal instances to prove mine.

Like I said, I hope the doctors can figure out what is wrong and he fully recovers.


Come on guys... Not the time or place for it.

Prayers sent.


Agreed.

Prayers likewise sent.
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 10:31:02 AM EST


Prayers sent.
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 1:34:41 PM EST
My little brother is a senior at Oregon State this year.. this hits close to home.

Situations like this are frightening as hell, when the docs can't get a good handle on root cause. OHSU is the best, though, he's in good hands. Prayers out.
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 6:21:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/3/2008 6:27:41 PM EST by Lee0302]
Some pictures so you know who Tamal is. These were taken back in 2004 when I lived in Oregon and Tamal came out to visit.


Overlooking the Columbia River


Near Multnomah Falls


Multnomah Falls


Pulled back


Burro Canyon Shooting Park


A sloppy reload of his HK USP 40, I told him to look at the target/threat not at the gun. The action is downrange not in front of you.
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 7:04:50 PM EST
I almost hate to put a face with it. He sounds like a great guy, and he has been dealt a bad hand.

The good news is that he doesn't have a big encephalitis or a brain tumor causing the seizures. Neurologic diagnoses are often untreatable or cause permanent damage, thus no obvious etiology can be a blessing in disguise.

Give the coma time. I have dealt with a case like his before, and we were able to gently lower the sedation after about a week.

Let me know if I can help any.
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 7:44:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/3/2008 8:53:10 PM EST
You're gonna be in trouble now, he doesn't like having his face in the pics.




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