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Posted: 1/18/2008 2:56:58 PM EST
cmmg
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:01:16 PM EST
[#1]
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:02:19 PM EST
[#2]
Why Amend the constitution?  It would only carry as much weight as the Amendments the government currently ignores in order to redistribute the wealth.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:02:39 PM EST
[#3]
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:02:40 PM EST
[#4]
It's tempting, but it's an attempt to eliminate the votes of people I don't agree with. I can't support it.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:03:00 PM EST
[#5]
People should not have the ability to essentially vote themselves more handouts.  
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:03:13 PM EST
[#6]
There is no right to vote [for President at least].  

It needs to be on a dollar per vote basis.  You pay $10,000 in taxes, you get 10,000 votes.  Just like shares in a company!
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:03:41 PM EST
[#7]

Quoted:
People should not have the ability to essentially vote themselves more handouts.  


Inherent risk of universal suffrage.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:03:44 PM EST
[#8]
yeah!

military service should be required too!!!!!

Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:04:02 PM EST
[#9]

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What if you *willingly* resigned that right, in order to receive welfare checks?


Even more tempting, but it's still coercion.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm reasonably certain most people on welfare don't vote anyway. Guilt ridden liberals with money vote for this stuff.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:05:28 PM EST
[#10]
Most people on Welfare don't vote now.  
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:06:45 PM EST
[#11]
Whats with all the half baked ideas to band-aid up the welfare thing?  Lets dump the welfare system entirely and quit forcing people to give to charity at gun point before we start talking about an essential freedom from people.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:06:54 PM EST
[#12]
I believe it is a good idea.  
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:07:00 PM EST
[#13]
Darn good idea. Only babies suck tits, and babies don't get voting rights.


Quoted:
It's tempting, but it's an attempt to eliminate the votes of people I don't agree with. I can't support it.


That's incidental. The vast majority of those on welfare are there because they can't make good choices for THEMSELVES; therefore they are not fit to make choices on behalf of the country.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:08:17 PM EST
[#14]
anyone who receives money from the .gov should be precluded from voting.  Recusing yourself so to speak.  (like Judges don't rule in cases where they have a personal interest).

That includes employees.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:08:59 PM EST
[#15]
Bad idea... Our rights should not be taken away by the government. They are INALIENABLE for a reason....
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:09:53 PM EST
[#16]

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Most people on Welfare don't vote now.  


Thank God.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:09:59 PM EST
[#17]
It sounds good at first, but you can come up with all kinds of ways people benefit from some government program and apply the same logic. "The company you work for got a government grant last year, no vote for you!"
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:10:04 PM EST
[#18]
Fantastic idea that most of us have had, and we know will never happen.  A welfare vote is a BOUGHT vote for the Dems.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:10:26 PM EST
[#19]
I don't agree with "Taxation without Representation"


I also don't agree with "Representation without Taxation".


If you want your say in how things are going to be run, then you'll need to contribute a little more than being born and cashing a check.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:10:33 PM EST
[#20]

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


My thoughts exactly.

I don't see how welfare is even legal.  Our government wasn't setup to assist us with living out lives.  It was established so that we could live in a free society and do as we please without fear of the .gov.  It was once the land of opportunity...  Now it's the government of opportunity.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:11:03 PM EST
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


What if you *willingly* resigned that right, in order to receive welfare checks?


Yes, but voting is a FUNDAMENTAL right in a free society.

Men are dying now to defend that right across the ocean....why do would we want to do away with it for a portion of our own society.

Besides, most liberal votes probably come from the middle class.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:11:16 PM EST
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
People should not have the ability to essentially vote themselves more handouts.  


Inherent risk of universal suffrage.


Correct.  Unless you eliminate all of the handouts, permanently.  If that is even possible,  I have no idea.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:11:18 PM EST
[#23]

Quoted:
Bad idea... Our rights should not be taken away by the government. They are INALIENABLE for a reason....


Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness...I don't see voting on there. Montesquieu, who was highly esteemed by the Founding Fathers, showed us in his Reasons for the Fall of the Roman Empire that expansion of the voting base is always a move toward the dissolution of a republic.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:12:24 PM EST
[#24]

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


Bullshit, when this country was founded the only people who voted were white male landowners.  They were, coincidentally, the only people who payed taxes.  Paying net taxes should give a person the right to vote, nothing else.  Don't put anything in?  you don't get a say.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:12:32 PM EST
[#25]
Interesting... what about other types of assistance?  Food Stamps?, Medicare?

Would prevent politicians from "buying" votes, therefore it will never pass!
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:15:00 PM EST
[#26]
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:15:10 PM EST
[#27]

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


WTF?  Back when my dad was in the Army, service members could not vote!

Now we want to award suffrage to those on the government teat?  Voting is no different that the proxy gien to share holders in a company.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:16:49 PM EST
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


Bullshit, when this country was founded the only people who voted were white male landowners.  They were, coincidentally, the only people who payed taxes.  Paying net taxes should give a person the right to vote, nothing else.  Don't put anything in?  you don't get a say.


Bullshit

The slaves worked their asses off and they sure as hell did not get to vote.

I guess they didn't put anything "in" to society...hell, technically they weren't reel people back then.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:17:44 PM EST
[#29]
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:18:21 PM EST
[#30]
Bad idea.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:19:28 PM EST
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


WTF?  Back when my dad was in the Army, service members could not vote!

Now we want to award suffrage to those on the government teat?  Voting is no different that the proxy gien to share holders in a company.


So, the one percent of us that volunteer to serve our country don't deserve to vote

Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:22:15 PM EST
[#32]
Define "welfare".

Disability compensation? Social Security? What if the person on "welfare" is a veteran? What if they are a combat veteran? What if they are someone who became disabled fighting for this nation?

Are you going to deny people who served this country the right to vote because hit a rough patch?

My father was a member of the United States Air Force during the mid-late 1970's. He served in the Strategic Air Command and was attached to a unit whose vigilance is the reason we don't speak Russian. Last year he had a liver transplant and has become unemployable. He is currently collecting SSD to keep the lights on and keep the rent paid.

Are you going to deny him his right to vote because he hit a rough patch? He sacrificed years out of his life to make sure that you and I have the right to vote. Would you tell him that he can't exercise it anymore? He is not unique.

Besides, the number of people on "welfare" in this country is DEFINITELY not the majority. They don't have the power in themselves to vote themselves this or that. They get welfare because WE, the working taxpayers, vote for politicians who give it to them.

More stupidity from conservative talking heads with over powered mouths and under powered brains.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:24:53 PM EST
[#33]


Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:25:04 PM EST
[#34]
Back in law school, I seem to remember reading something about equal protection.....  


Bad fucking idea!!!
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:27:30 PM EST
[#35]
anyone on any state of federal asssistance,,but NOT social security,,this is not assistance the is a tax you are reminbursed...
food stamps
welfare
long term disability except military related
and several govt employees including but not limited to Congress and the Senate..

anyone who can vote themnselves a raise,,,should not be able to vote..

Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:29:17 PM EST
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


WTF?  Back when my dad was in the Army, service members could not vote!

Now we want to award suffrage to those on the government teat?  Voting is no different that the proxy gien to share holders in a company.


So, the one percent of us that volunteer to serve our country don't deserve to vote



I never said that.  Back in the Korean War era, things were different.   But those who contribute nothing and only drain the tax coffers should not be able to influence the vote.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:29:21 PM EST
[#37]

Quoted:
People should not have the ability to essentially vote themselves more handouts.  
+1
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:30:32 PM EST
[#38]
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:33:46 PM EST
[#39]

Quoted:
At first I thought it was ridiculous and unconstitutional.... but then I realized I bet the founding fathers never dreamed we'd head towards a welfare society, either.


I don't think they were THAT dumb.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html



As to your question.  I favor the idea in principle.  However, I would need to think about it for a while to see how it might be turned against .."us" by our evil overlords.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:34:08 PM EST
[#40]

Quoted:
anyone on any state of federal asssistance,,but NOT social security,,this is not assistance the is a tax you are reminbursed...
food stamps
welfare
long term disability except military related
and several govt employees including but not limited to Congress and the Senate..

anyone who can vote themnselves a raise,,,should not be able to vote..



Silver Star winner gets falls down a flight of stairs at work, gets a herniated disk and winds up in bed for a year while it heals. You gonna deny him his right to vote?

Police officer loses his leg in a snow mobile accident and spends a year learning to walk on a prosthetic leg. You gonna deny him his right to vote?

Also, it's funny that you include food stamps. Did you know that a large percentage of military families are on food stamps because their pay is so low? You gonna deny the guys in Iraq who have a family of four back here their right to vote?

You don't know who is getting these handouts and why, and you don't know what sacrifices they've made for their country. No one has any business telling another American that they can't vote because of their financial situation. We did away with the poll tax.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:35:14 PM EST
[#41]

Quoted:
There is no right to vote [for President at least].  

It needs to be on a dollar per vote basis.  You pay $10,000 in taxes, you get 10,000 votes.  Just like shares in a company!


You might want to lookup this country's distrubution of wealth before you implement that.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:35:22 PM EST
[#42]

Quoted:
Most people on Welfare don't vote now.  


You haven't been to Chicago lately...
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:37:34 PM EST
[#43]
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Back in law school, I seem to remember reading something about equal protection.....  


The 14th amendment was never ratified as constitutional amendments were designed.... it's very existence is arguable.  


Umm... NO!
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:37:52 PM EST
[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Most people on Welfare don't vote now.  


You haven't been to Chicago lately...

If we judged voter behavior by chicago voting, the deceased are voters too.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:38:04 PM EST
[#45]
I made asked this question in 02'... Was an interesting thread then, should be again now. :)
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:39:38 PM EST
[#46]

Quoted:
anyone who receives money from the .gov should be precluded from voting.  Recusing yourself so to speak.  (like Judges don't rule in cases where they have a personal interest).

That includes employees.


Hmm.. so servicemen and women can't vote, I can't vote (federal disability due to military), no .gov employees (USPS, and so on)... nah... that is a stupid idea.

However, we could go back to the founding father's original intent and only allow property owners to vote (we can drop the white guy only part though).
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:42:04 PM EST
[#47]

Quoted:
Back in law school, I seem to remember reading something about equal protection.....  


Bad fucking idea!!!


Those who suck at the public tit are not a protected class. By your conception of "equal protection," we couldn't incarcerate, much less disenfranchise, felons.

The fact is that there is something fundamentally wrong with people who will not be paying at the checkout being given a say in what goes in the basket.

A bum asks for a handout. Who in his right mind would give the panhandler a 50% say in the amount he receives?

"Spare change?"

"Well, OK."

"Alright. Whaddaya holdin'?"

"Lessee. . .I got $40 aaaaand 62 cents cash."

"OK, but you got a car with gas in it, right? And credit cards, right? And you already ate supper, right?"

"Well, yeah."

"OK, so the fair way to do this is, you gimme the $40.62, and I'll waive my interest in the house, the car, the TV, and all that other stuff."



At a minimum, receipt of WIC, AFDC, Public Housing, Medicaid, Head Start, subsidized daycare, EITC, or other means-tested entitlement (that is, any program to whose benefits a person is entitled by virtue of being alive and poor without regard to any prior service to the taxpayers or future payment to the taxpayers) should disqualify the recipient from voting in any election from commencement of the benefit until 3 years after termination of the benefit.

There is nothing judgmental about it. People who are not kicking into the kitty are not entitled to any say over what goes into the soup, or how much we're spending on the ingredients.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:48:37 PM EST
[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably a bad idea.

The right to vote is a basic right. As much as I despise welfare schwoogies, our country is not a dictatorship.


Bullshit, when this country was founded the only people who voted were white male landowners.  They were, coincidentally, the only people who payed taxes.  Paying net taxes should give a person the right to vote, nothing else.  Don't put anything in?  you don't get a say.


My opinion too.

You pay taxes and you vote.

You don't pay taxes no vote for you.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:53:35 PM EST
[#49]
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Back in law school, I seem to remember reading something about equal protection.....  


Bad fucking idea!!!


Those who suck at the public tit are not a protected class. By your conception of "equal protection," we couldn't incarcerate, much less disenfranchise, felons.

The fact is that there is something fundamentally wrong with people who will not be paying at the checkout being given a say in what goes in the basket.

A bum asks for a handout. Who in his right mind would give the panhandler a 50% say in the amount he receives?

"Spare change?"

"Well, OK."

"Alright. Whaddaya holdin'?"

"Lessee. . .I got $40 aaaaand 62 cents cash."

"OK, but you got a car with gas in it, right? And credit cards, right? And you already ate supper, right?"

"Well, yeah."

"OK, so the fair way to do this is, you gimme the $40.62, and I'll waive my interest in the house, the car, the TV, and all that other stuff."

Housing,
There is nothing judgmental about it. People who are not kicking into the kitty are not entitled to any say over what goes into the soup, or how much we're spending on the ingredients.


So you want to compare committing a crime to being poor?  Criminals lose certain rights because they choose to be removed from normal society by committing the crime(s).  Preventing the government from drawing lines based on economic status is one reason why the constitution is so important.
Link Posted: 1/18/2008 3:55:11 PM EST
[#50]
I just thank God that this idea will never come to pass in America.

I know that you guys LOVE believing that everyone who cashes a government check is a lazy, worthless sack of shit who sits around watching Oprah and drinking malt liquor all day. The reality is quite different.

Don't let that get in the way of your witch hunt though. Don't let the truth stop you.
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