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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:04:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Good to shoot. Fuct to reload. Off center & undersized primer flash holes.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:05:34 PM EDT
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Certain lots were attacked by termites and had small holes in the bags. Most of it shoots great.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:09:35 PM EDT
[#3]
Shoot it up and replace with new ammo. Guat isn't anything special, just M193 spec ammo.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:09:54 PM EDT
[#4]
Good ammo, bought it all the time, still have one battle pack each of African and Guat for nostalgia's sake.
I remember the tarnished cases and termite dust, damn I'm old 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:11:11 PM EDT
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i got some of the tarnished ones way back from century and while some were ugly, it all went bang. same power as win m193. like the other guy said, flash hole are small and not centered. pain to reload
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:19:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Send it to me for proper disposal
Seriously, though. It's GTG. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:21:04 PM EDT
[#7]
GTG. I have 3 unopened battle packs left.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:24:08 PM EDT
[#8]
I shot all of mine, wish I still had a sealed pack. Have a few South African sealed packs stashed away.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:25:00 PM EDT
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I shot a bunch of it back in the day. Good stuff as long as the battle packs are intact and sealed.
A bunch of the loose corroded stuff would fail to fire, but they looked like they'd been stored in moist drums instead of the battle packs. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:25:13 PM EDT
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I shot all mine up years ago. Besides some visible corrosion, it shot fine.
Personally I would use it up and replace it with newer ammunition. Fed still has the .5/rd rebate until the end of the month. I bought 4 cases and after the coupon, cc cash cack, and rebate I'm at .234/rd delivered. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:28:00 PM EDT
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I shit all of mine... |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:31:59 PM EDT
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I still have around 12K of it left, good stuff, some was tarnished, just tumbled it, all I have shot went bang just fine.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:35:04 PM EDT
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I still have around 12K of it left, good stuff, some was tarnished, just tumbled it, all I have shot went bang just fine. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:45:31 PM EDT
[#14]
It's good 5.56 ammo, and it'll likely be more expensive to replace now. Not sure why people think you should shoot it all and buy other ammo.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:54:30 PM EDT
[#15]
Good stuff. I found it to have average accuracy, but very hot!
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:01:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Good stuff and good brass. I lucked up on about 5k of virgin brass years back, better than anything Winchester puts out.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:07:20 PM EDT
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Good to hear. I'll probably toss one in my truck for "Travel Troubles" . I like Battle packs for their compact size and sealed conditions.
How would it stack up to other modern battle packs produced today? I think PMC and Privi are the only ones who still make battle packs. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:09:30 PM EDT
[#18]
I miss Guatemala.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:38:26 PM EDT
[#19]
I had nothing but key holes at 50 yards out of my LMT. Back in the day it was cheap enough.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 11:57:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Great ammo. I am still sitting on a few battlepacks after getting 2 cases from AIM. Grade 1 stuff is mint, the grade 2 stuff deeply discounted was also mint. Runs hot, primer holes are undersized.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:02:10 AM EDT
[#21]
Seems like I had some that was corroded pretty bad. Like a few stuck in the chamber.
I'd open it up and see what you have. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:11:24 AM EDT
[#22]
I miss those prices.
I think I'm down to 2 bp's left. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:14:50 AM EDT
[#23]
I bought what I remember as grade 3 from Aim. All worked. Hot and 5.56 accurate..
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:18:09 AM EDT
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Pics or it didn't happen, I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I shit all of mine... |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:26:35 AM EDT
[#25]
I have Guat. 556 and SA 308 battle packs stashed away that I hope I never use.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:56:39 AM EDT
[#26]
Shot a few boxes last week, has that old time ammonia smell.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 12:58:47 AM EDT
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Pics or it didn't happen, I guess. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 7:06:54 AM EDT
[#28]
I like the stuff. Reloaded fine for me. No problems with flash holes in my lot.
MIL spec stuff. Not great accuracy, but goes bang every time. I'd buy again, and I wish I had bought more when it was available. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 7:34:51 AM EDT
[#29]
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It's good 5.56 ammo, and it'll likely be more expensive to replace now. Not sure why people think you should shoot it all and buy other ammo. That way your stash isn't 40 years old, it's only 5. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 7:46:11 AM EDT
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I miss Guatemala. You'll feel like you're still there. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:19:08 AM EDT
[#31]
Good but now older ammo, some of it not stored all that well...oh how I remember those termite infested crates..... Shoot that shit up and replace it with fresh at the now lower prices.
I shot up the last of my South African last year at a class. This year I have finished off my Guat and am currently plowing through some Portugese FNM... by years end I will be out of "surplus" 5.56.....At current usage rates I have about 10 years of ammo on the shelf rotating out the oldest first as I have been doing though there is kind of a "python eating a pig" effect as when things are cheap I tend to buy more of course.... |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:26:47 AM EDT
[#32]
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It's good 5.56 ammo, and it'll likely be more expensive to replace now. Not sure why people think you should shoot it all and buy other ammo. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 8:58:54 AM EDT
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Because fresh ammo made in a time of non emergency (like right now) is better than 30 year old ammo that you KNOW some of which was not stored well. If you base your decisions on "It will cost more to replace"....you'll never shoot ANY AMMO. The purpose of ammo is to produce skill through regular use of your firearms, it's not a magic talisman to keep hidden away for some great emergency. If you are paying attention and rotating it out regularly you will have plenty of fresh ammo on hand at all times. My only and main reason for clinging to this ammo is just to store it in my truck because it seems to pack and travel so well. (due to being in a battle pack) I suppose I could buy some of the new battle pack stuff by PMC or Privi but I wanted to get some opinions on this Guat ammo first.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:12:56 AM EDT
[#34]
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All true. My only and main reason for clinging to this ammo is just to store it in my truck because it seems to pack and travel so well. (due to being in a battle pack) I suppose I could buy some of the new battle pack stuff by PMC or Privi but I wanted to get some opinions on this Guat ammo first. What I do is use a USGI magazine bandoleer loaded with 6 mags, loaded with fresh ammo for my Truck Ammo. I rotate that out every year. That way it's never more than a year old so despite the less than ideal storage conditions in the truck, I feel pretty confident it's good to go bang if I need it. Been doing that over a decade now and when I fire those 180 rounds in practice etc...I've never had one fail to light. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:21:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Lol ....define "hot".....
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:23:09 AM EDT
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Lol ....define "hot"..... |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:25:25 AM EDT
[#37]
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I agree, some battle pack ammo would be a good truck stash. A single sleeve of Privi isn't that much. What I do is use a USGI magazine bandoleer loaded with 6 mags, loaded with fresh ammo for my Truck Ammo. I rotate that out every year. That way it's never more than a year old so despite the less than ideal storage conditions in the truck, I feel pretty confident it's good to go bang if I need it. Been doing that over a decade now and when I fire those 180 rounds in practice etc...I've never had one fail to light. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All true. My only and main reason for clinging to this ammo is just to store it in my truck because it seems to pack and travel so well. (due to being in a battle pack) I suppose I could buy some of the new battle pack stuff by PMC or Privi but I wanted to get some opinions on this Guat ammo first. What I do is use a USGI magazine bandoleer loaded with 6 mags, loaded with fresh ammo for my Truck Ammo. I rotate that out every year. That way it's never more than a year old so despite the less than ideal storage conditions in the truck, I feel pretty confident it's good to go bang if I need it. Been doing that over a decade now and when I fire those 180 rounds in practice etc...I've never had one fail to light. I love those usgi bandoliers. 6-7 fit in a milk crate, then stack the milk crates 
I use coyote brown ones for 77 grain hpbt and woodland for 193. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 9:40:45 AM EDT
[#38]
I kind of remember it being a little dirty and having an ammonia smell. Wasn't this the stuff that the base of the bullet was sealed with some kind of tar?
I shot tons of it back in the day though. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 4:29:44 PM EDT
[#39]
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Because fresh ammo made in a time of non emergency (like right now) is better than 30 year old ammo that you KNOW some of which was not stored well. If you base your decisions on "It will cost more to replace"....you'll never shoot ANY AMMO. The purpose of ammo is to produce skill through regular use of your firearms, it's not a magic talisman to keep hidden away for some great emergency. If you are paying attention and rotating it out regularly you will have plenty of fresh ammo on hand at all times. I'll put SA up against a lot of the new boxed stuff that seems to slip through QC. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 4:44:50 PM EDT
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A .22 bullet going 3200 fps is nothing to sneeze at. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 4:47:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Just shoot it.
If it kills you then come back and complain. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:05:24 PM EDT
[#42]
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Some of the new ammo is quite shitty compared to ''that old stuff'' that seemed to go bang and was manufactured correctly. I'll put SA up against a lot of the new boxed stuff that seems to slip through QC. Depends on what type of ammo you are buying too. Most of the Euro surplus- and there is a lot of it around right now, Mostly M855---- Lithuanian, MEN, GECO etc....is OUTSTANDING, freshly produced ammo that I would have no problems going to war with. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:07:08 PM EDT
[#43]
I cringe at the amount of Guat I bump fired back in the day.
They were practically giving it away.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:13:14 PM EDT
[#44]
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but it's not "hot".... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A .22 bullet going 3200 fps is nothing to sneeze at. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:16:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Good stuff. No malfunctions in a thousand or so rounds I've fired. I've still got a bit over a case left from AIM about ten years ago. It runs about 1.5 - 2" groups in a sub 1", 24" AR. I shot 3 hogs with it a few months ago & it really does some damage at the velocity the 24" tube gives it.
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:20:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Prvi is good ammo. I've had it come sealed in both the marked green bags and unmarked clear.
You could also buy Wolf Gold and seal it up in bags with a dessicant pack if you wanted. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:22:54 PM EDT
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Compared to the Russian steel case stuff that was selling for only a few dollars less, it was pretty hot. Huge fireballs out of my middle son's ban-era 16" plain muzzle CAR. the steel case you had was "weak"....Guatemalan is "normal"... |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 5:58:38 PM EDT
[#48]
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I cringe at the amount of Guat I bump fired back in the day. They were practically giving it away. |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 6:05:19 PM EDT
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No kidding. I think I was paying something like $125/1600-ish rounds. Does that sound right? |
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Posted: 8/24/2017 6:19:52 PM EDT
[#50]
I brought that ammunition into the country back in 1997 when I was a buyer for Century. The Guatemalan stuff was about 9 million of 12 million rounds on that purchase (the rest being IMI). All the Guatemalan stuff was loaded on machines that looked like Waterbury types and the components were supplied by Remington or IMI. It was stored fine.
I do remember that the amount we bought came up short and Guatemalan soldiers were pulling rounds out of magazines in their mag pouches, reassembling battle packs that had been opened and stored in armories, etc. We brought in all their old M16's too..most as parts kits to build into Postban ARs and 1200 to 1500 CAR-15s that went to LE sales. It's good ammo, they were selling it to us because the Israelis sold them a shot load of Galils and ammo to go with them. |
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