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Posted: 4/21/2016 9:04:03 PM EDT
http://kfor.com/2016/04/21/osbi-agency-could-lose-millions-if-gun-legislation-passes/

OKLAHOMA CITY – Officials with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said their agency could lose up to $8 million under a gun bill that passed the Senate on Thursday.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:06:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:08:44 PM EDT
Looks like people would still get licenses, to carry out of state, plus concealed, so total wouldn't be as high as they are projecting.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:08:46 PM EDT
Good.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:09:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:10:10 PM EDT
Apparently I'm supposed to feel *bad* that a .gov agency might lose money.

As a CCW instructor, I stand to lose a not insignificant sum also. I am still 100% in favor of this measure.

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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:16:33 PM EDT
Good. Lay them off then and there'll be less burden on the taxpayer. Next issue?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:24:06 PM EDT
Saving tax payers $8 million and more guns in the hands of good guys? Win fucking win right there.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:25:06 PM EDT
That would be awesome Another LEO department getting their budget slashed. There is a God

The OSBI couldn't catch Ebola if they injected it via an IV. We have so many unsolved murders around here and some of them fucking have witnesses

Fuck'em, fuck'em all, burn it to the ground.

Man, I need some more caffeine.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:27:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2016 9:29:29 PM EDT by fettesbrotde]
And?

They're a government agency, they're not supposed to tax people just to justify their existence (yeah I know).

ETA: Love the typical LE nonsense in the article too: "But but but people will be less safe!"
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:27:59 PM EDT
Infringing on rights should not be a revenue stream.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:28:52 PM EDT
And the problem is?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:31:56 PM EDT
Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:32:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2016 9:33:06 PM EDT by OKnativeson]
Ron Swanson approves and will be looking for a flagpole in the morning as usual.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:32:42 PM EDT
Fuckem, the sorry bastards in this state mismanage almost every dollar allotted. If there agency cant stand without bleeding gun owners dry then I guess we don't need them.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:32:54 PM EDT
Win.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:34:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jack_T:
Apparently I'm supposed to feel *bad* that a .gov agency might lose money.

As a CCW instructor, I stand to lose a not insignificant sum also. I am still 100% in favor of this measure.

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THANK YOU!!!
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:34:32 PM EDT
How do you lose what is not yours
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:35:28 PM EDT
Gotta tax those rights. Those guys need the dental coverage.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:36:06 PM EDT
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The irony here is that when the SDA was originally passed the OSBI didn't want it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:36:20 PM EDT
Tough shit. Government has become a racket.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:37:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.

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The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:39:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jack_T:
Apparently I'm supposed to feel *bad* that a .gov agency might lose money.

As a CCW instructor, I stand to lose a not insignificant sum also. I am still 100% in favor of this measure.

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I really don't think you will.. People that are serious will still get the license as they would have before.
It will just allow those that would not have otherwise to open carry...

Im big a pro training guy but other states have shown that its not that big of an issue.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:43:38 PM EDT
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The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?
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Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.



The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?


Im sure he means this particular division. States with constitutional carry have shown there is absolutely no need to fund a government division such as this. States that still do this are an unnecessary revenue stream and feel good stuffs.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:43:51 PM EDT
Mississippi honors all other states Permit/Licenses.
Mississippi Honors Non-Resident Permits/Licenses From the States They Honor.
Mississippi residents can carry a concealed defensive firearm in the state of Oklahoma without any type of permit/license. You must carry your state issued ID when carrying your firearm in Oklahoma. See the Oklahoma page at www.handgunlaw.us for more information on Oklahoma’s law allowing those from permitless carry states to carry there.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:44:27 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:50:10 PM EDT
Good, hope some of them lose their jobs and puts their families in the soup line.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 9:58:08 PM EDT
Up to 8 million or as little as $0. Depends on what happens. But either way, 1 more tax gone!
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:23:23 PM EDT
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Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.



The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?


The Bureau Of Investigations in non-essential & the taxpayers shouldn't be funding it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:25:41 PM EDT
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The Bureau Of Investigations in non-essential & the taxpayers shouldn't be funding it.
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.



The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?


The Bureau Of Investigations in non-essential & the taxpayers shouldn't be funding it.


It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.
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It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.
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That's odd. . .according to OSBI spokesperson Jessica Brown “It would have a devastating effect on OSBI. We would not have any more gun licensing. That could be up to $8 million and, for a very small agency, that would be a devastating amount” (http://kfor.com/2016/04/21/osbi-agency-could-lose-millions-if-gun-legislation-passes/)

Further, the fiscal impact report states: "Layoffs through a reduction in force of up to 60-70 or more positions, about 20-25% of our workforce, would be required as well as reductions in operating expenses." (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20SUPPORT%20DOCUMENTS/BILLSUM/House/HB3098%20INT%20BILLSUM.PDF)

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Good, hope some of them lose their jobs and puts their families in the soup line.
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You're a class act.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:46:46 PM EDT
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The irony here is that when the SDA was originally passed the OSBI didn't want it.
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have you ever known a governmental law agency that was in favor of the public carrying firearms?

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That's odd. . .according to OSBI spokesperson Jessica Brown “It would have a devastating effect on OSBI. We would not have any more gun licensing. That could be up to $8 million and, for a very small agency, that would be a devastating amount” (http://kfor.com/2016/04/21/osbi-agency-could-lose-millions-if-gun-legislation-passes/)

Further, the fiscal impact report states: "Layoffs through a reduction in force of up to 60-70 or more positions, about 20-25% of our workforce, would be required as well as reductions in operating expenses." (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20SUPPORT%20DOCUMENTS/BILLSUM/House/HB3098%20INT%20BILLSUM.PDF)

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Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.


That's odd. . .according to OSBI spokesperson Jessica Brown “It would have a devastating effect on OSBI. We would not have any more gun licensing. That could be up to $8 million and, for a very small agency, that would be a devastating amount” (http://kfor.com/2016/04/21/osbi-agency-could-lose-millions-if-gun-legislation-passes/)

Further, the fiscal impact report states: "Layoffs through a reduction in force of up to 60-70 or more positions, about 20-25% of our workforce, would be required as well as reductions in operating expenses." (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20SUPPORT%20DOCUMENTS/BILLSUM/House/HB3098%20INT%20BILLSUM.PDF)

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Well it may play a big role in funding for this one, but the primary purpose of state investigative agencies is well investigations to include homicide, child crimes, computer crimes, arson, police misconduct, OIS's, financial crimes, etc. etc. They also usually run the state crime lab which a lot of local agencies depend on, as well as assistance with investigations. That is what SLED does here for example. To say it is a non-essential agency out of some knee jerk about CCWs is absurd.
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Well it may play a big role in funding for this one, but the primary purpose of state investigative agencies is well investigations to include homicide, child crimes, computer crimes, arson, police misconduct, OIS's, financial crimes, etc. etc. They also usually run the state crime lab which a lot of local agencies depend on, as well as assistance with investigations. That is what SLED does here for example. To say it is a non-essential agency out of some knee jerk about CCWs is absurd.
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Originally Posted By Jack_T:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.


That's odd. . .according to OSBI spokesperson Jessica Brown “It would have a devastating effect on OSBI. We would not have any more gun licensing. That could be up to $8 million and, for a very small agency, that would be a devastating amount” (http://kfor.com/2016/04/21/osbi-agency-could-lose-millions-if-gun-legislation-passes/)

Further, the fiscal impact report states: "Layoffs through a reduction in force of up to 60-70 or more positions, about 20-25% of our workforce, would be required as well as reductions in operating expenses." (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20SUPPORT%20DOCUMENTS/BILLSUM/House/HB3098%20INT%20BILLSUM.PDF)

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Well it may play a big role in funding for this one, but the primary purpose of state investigative agencies is well investigations to include homicide, child crimes, computer crimes, arson, police misconduct, OIS's, financial crimes, etc. etc. They also usually run the state crime lab which a lot of local agencies depend on, as well as assistance with investigations. That is what SLED does here for example. To say it is a non-essential agency out of some knee jerk about CCWs is absurd.

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:56:34 PM EDT
Good. If you can buy a gun you should be able to carry it. Fuck permits.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:58:03 PM EDT
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Exactly my thoughts when I read the title.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:04:27 PM EDT
As a government entity, you cannot lose money. It's not your money to lose.

It's simply fees and bullshit that shouldn't have been there in the first place, now not being collected. You didn't lose shit.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:05:20 PM EDT
Tough shit. The legislature needs to find another funding source for the Bureau's essential services..if they don't they have made a policy decision that the services are not essential and the Bureau will just have to live with it if the voters dont disagree.
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Tough shit. The legislature needs to find another funding source for the Bureau's essential services..if they don't they have made a policy decision that the services are not essential and the Bureau will just have to live with it if the voters dont disagree.
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You show me what the government considers 'essential services' and I'll show you a list that we can cut 90% of and nothing bad will happen to anyone.

Essential services is like 'human resources' for government; its sole purpose is to substantiate its existence to you and tell you that you NEED it, when in reality its just a bunch of overpriced garbage no one asked for in the first place.
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It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.
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Originally Posted By shocktrp:
Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.



The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?


The Bureau Of Investigations in non-essential & the taxpayers shouldn't be funding it.


It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.


OK, so they have a lab.
Surely that entire thing can be funded by the DWI fines & surcharges, right?
Where did all that money go?
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 11:16:20 PM EDT
Passed MO house today.......It will pass this year, veto proof, in Missouri boys
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Yes, because it is a non-essential agency.
Taxpayers shouldn't be funding non-essential agencies at all.



The state police is a non-essential agency? Or do you mean just this division of it?


Meh. 8 million is a lot of staties. what's their real budget, not just the lost revenue from this measure? article makes it sound like it's the entire budget, but I bet it's more just a portion of it. they usually play this card when they want to scare people into opposing a measure like this.
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Originally Posted By USCG_CPO:
That would be awesome Another LEO department getting their budget slashed. There is a God

The OSBI couldn't catch Ebola if they injected it via an IV. We have so many unsolved murders around here and some of them fucking have witnesses

Fuck'em, fuck'em all, burn it to the ground.

Man, I need some more caffeine.
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The OSBI had cases they could have prosecuted sitting on shelves till the statue of limitations ran out on them. It consists mostly of retired police working on a second retirement. The BS they feed the legislators in committee meetings is 99% detrimental to legal gun owners in Oklahoma. They come out against such things as open carry and free concealed licenses for disabled vets.
The money goes to CLEET in Ada. One CLEET director had half her family on the payroll. They spent millions of dollars building an academy in Ada and many students quit because it is such a miserable place. They went to Ada because of someone's political influence when they already had facilities in OKC and El Reno.
All was funded by charging and denying concealed carry permits to honest citizens. Applications go through the OSBI which is a joke from administration down to investigations.
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Well it may play a big role in funding for this one, but the primary purpose of state investigative agencies is well investigations to include homicide, child crimes, computer crimes, arson, police misconduct, OIS's, financial crimes, etc. etc. They also usually run the state crime lab which a lot of local agencies depend on, as well as assistance with investigations. That is what SLED does here for example. To say it is a non-essential agency out of some knee jerk about CCWs is absurd.
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Originally Posted By Jack_T:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

It is essentially the state FBI, it does a lot more than CCW permits, that is a tiny and insignificant function of the agency.


That's odd. . .according to OSBI spokesperson Jessica Brown “It would have a devastating effect on OSBI. We would not have any more gun licensing. That could be up to $8 million and, for a very small agency, that would be a devastating amount” (http://kfor.com/2016/04/21/osbi-agency-could-lose-millions-if-gun-legislation-passes/)

Further, the fiscal impact report states: "Layoffs through a reduction in force of up to 60-70 or more positions, about 20-25% of our workforce, would be required as well as reductions in operating expenses." (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2015-16%20SUPPORT%20DOCUMENTS/BILLSUM/House/HB3098%20INT%20BILLSUM.PDF)

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Well it may play a big role in funding for this one, but the primary purpose of state investigative agencies is well investigations to include homicide, child crimes, computer crimes, arson, police misconduct, OIS's, financial crimes, etc. etc. They also usually run the state crime lab which a lot of local agencies depend on, as well as assistance with investigations. That is what SLED does here for example. To say it is a non-essential agency out of some knee jerk about CCWs is absurd.

They are fucking incompetent. They fucked up the investigation of the killing of two little girls in eastern Oklahoma. They didn't even have a camera to take pictures of tire tracks in the dirt road before it rained. They asked everyone in the state to bring their 40 cal Glocks in for ballistic testing.
Yeah, they are top notch investigators.
http://newsok.com/article/3479477
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 12:13:17 AM EDT
this isnt car registration or drivers license renewal,no sympathy for them loosing revenue collected for licensing peoples rights.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:10:08 AM EDT
Well, if they won't be spending money to process the applications then they won't need that money. Amirite?
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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 7:16:05 AM EDT
The clue there is that they are running it to profit instead of a more break-even type of thing.
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Apparently I'm supposed to feel *bad* that a .gov agency might lose money.

As a CCW instructor, I stand to lose a not insignificant sum also. I am still 100% in favor of this measure.

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Because you are not an asshole.
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