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Posted: 1/5/2012 8:03:10 AM EDT
I caught this story on the news this morning. It came at an interesting time as I am looking at a job with a company that produces sand used in the fracking process. I read some of the stuff on Wikipedia about fracking and saw that it's banned in some countries.

What is the future of fracking in the his country and abroad? Do the companies that produce sand for the process have a sustainable business?


For the casual geeks: hydraulic fracturing
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:08:55 AM EDT
I don't see it going anywhere on its own, through .gov legislation is another matter.

Tag for other, better educated, opinions.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:09:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
I don't see it going anywhere on its own, through .gov legislation is another matter.

Tag for other, better educated, opinions.


That's my concern.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:13:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 8:14:16 AM EDT by elucidate]
Because of the huge shale gas plays, fracking is only going to get MUCH more popular.

The futures in the frac industry are not in danger.

(I'm busy so not much time to elaborate, but I work for the worlds largest oilfield services company so this is as I see it)
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:23:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By elucidate:
(I'm busy so not much time to elaborate, but I work for the worlds largest oilfield services company so this is as I see it)


next time you're in the weather machine, why don't you get the temps in OK back around 70.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:24:58 AM EDT
embargo on iran = higher oil prices ....yes/no? .....I say yea

higher oil prices = fracking will become more favorable? yes/no .....I say yea.

2 things though

1. never happens under demcrats
2. must live down or clean up its image/opeartion


Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:25:53 AM EDT
Fracking's not going anywhere, so you could feel pretty confident in taking a job directly related to it.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:31:08 AM EDT
The recent earthquakes near Youngstown Ohio are being blamed on fracking,
and the democrats are calling for a moratorium on it

http://thinkprogress.org/green/2012/01/05/398406/after-earthquakes-ohio-decides-to-stop-fracking-process-to-help-stop-the-ground-from-shaking/

"Think Progress" ... yeah


Are earthquakes caused by fracking? I don't fucking know.


Will they ban it anyway? Probably.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:33:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 8:35:11 AM EDT by CSM]
Its all about the money. People just want their cut, be it from the special interest groups or from "fees" that allow them to build up more bureaucracy. We won't get a burp of gas out of the reservoirs we have available if we cut fracturing. It will get resistance, but it won't get banned. The majority of the articles tie back into scare tactics, pandering to bleeding hearts, and swaying public opinion to allow for strong Central Planning in this new technology in our increasingly socialist government. Central Planning worked so well in the auto industry and in aviation, why not oil & gas? "Hell, oil and gas fat cats can afford it!"

In my opinion, the only risk of job security in oil & gas is if oil prices plummet. However, that would likely be symptoms of a total global economic meltdown that would make our current one look like a sunny 4th of July. I feel pretty safe.

In regards to your specific question, proppant is in short supply. Anybody that has a good high quality mono crystalline "premium white" grade sand deposit will do just fine... Assuming you have a good relationship with the Burlington - Northern and the Union Pacific Rail Road.

PR (assume you mean them) isn't the best mine out there, but it is pretty well situated. I have seen and have pumped a lot of their sand.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:34:48 AM EDT
I have been working in the East Texas Oil and Gas for the last 5 years. I can assure you do to the nature of Shale gas and oil the fracking business will be solid for the next 20 years.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:37:51 AM EDT
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:38:48 AM EDT
Like others have said, fracking isn't going anywhere. It's just the current industry condemning buzzword.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:39:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.


I heard that the navy uses that stuff with all their weapons.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:40:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.


Mother of God.







Thanks to everyone who has replied.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:56:01 AM EDT
Fracking is here to stay. All this eco-freakout is bull shit. Fracking causing earthquakes - bullshit.

Get on board man. Times are good and the wages are high. All these outta work people on the coasts should come over here and get to work. I've got job openings all the time....

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 9:28:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JAShooters:
Fracking is here to stay. All this eco-freakout is bull shit. Fracking causing earthquakes - bullshit.

Get on board man. Times are good and the wages are high. All these outta work people on the coasts should come over here and get to work. I've got job openings all the time....


LULZ; be careful what you ask for.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 9:45:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By elucidate:
(I'm busy so not much time to elaborate, but I work for the worlds largest oilfield services company so this is as I see it)


next time you're in the weather machine, why don't you get the temps in OK back around 70.


You're thinking of Halliburton

We are 3x as big as Halliburton.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 9:54:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 10:01:14 AM EDT by CSM]
Originally Posted By elucidate:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By elucidate:
(I'm busy so not much time to elaborate, but I work for the worlds largest oilfield services company so this is as I see it)


next time you're in the weather machine, why don't you get the temps in OK back around 70.


You're thinking of Halliburton

We are 3x as big as Halliburton.


Be specific, not cryptic. Schlumberger.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:02:23 AM EDT
The anti-frackers are going nuts here in upstate New York. Got the Marcellus Shale underneath and full-blown eco-NIMBYs going nuts about how everyone is going to die from cancer. Meanwhile the economy is in the shitter here. It is seriously fucking loonytoons around here.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:05:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tahawus:
The anti-frackers are going nuts here in upstate New York. Got the Marcellus Shale underneath and full-blown eco-NIMBYs going nuts about how everyone is going to die from cancer. Meanwhile the economy is in the shitter here. It is seriously fucking loonytoons around here.


Same thing in my AO. I would like this thread to continue as I dont know much about the process.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:09:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.


. I just ingested some......i'm feeling a little woozy.

Hydrochloric acid/muriatic acid is pretty nasty shit though. I've gotten some spilled on me...burns, and when it hits air, the vapors burn the shit out of your lungs.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:26:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Texdiver:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.


. I just ingested some......i'm feeling a little woozy.

Hydrochloric acid/muriatic acid is pretty nasty shit though. I've gotten some spilled on me...burns, and when it hits air, the vapors burn the shit out of your lungs.

And HCl is PRODUCED by the human body for digestion of proteins!
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:30:49 AM EDT
liberals want to ban it (even though there is no good data it causes environmental trouble) because it would destroy domestic production. End production, less supply, price goes up, less use, reduced pollution. Who cares about the millions who starve because of the increase in food cost - that is less pollution too.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:35:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JAShooters:
Fracking is here to stay. All this eco-freakout is bull shit. Fracking causing earthquakes - bullshit.

Get on board man. Times are good and the wages are high. All these outta work people on the coasts should come over here and get to work. I've got job openings all the time....



Any jobs for a 40 yr old chubby guy?

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:35:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CSM:
Originally Posted By elucidate:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By elucidate:
(I'm busy so not much time to elaborate, but I work for the worlds largest oilfield services company so this is as I see it)


next time you're in the weather machine, why don't you get the temps in OK back around 70.


You're thinking of Halliburton

We are 3x as big as Halliburton.


Be specific, not cryptic. Schlumberger.

My bad, i thought the H was the biggest.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:45:35 AM EDT

Due to the Naval connection, I have stockpiled 20,000 gallons of dihydrogen mono oxide in my backyard within an in ground storage vessel. During the warmer weather we routinely check the inventory.



Originally Posted By CSM:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.


I heard that the navy uses that stuff with all their weapons.


Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:47:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By strat81:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Chemophobia in full swing. There isn't anything used which is remotely toxic, just a bunch of idiots who wimped out and never learned chemistry so when a chemical name is heard, they have irrational fears based on ignorance.

The number one chemical used is hydrogen hydroxide. Also called dihydrogen monoxide.


Mother of God.



Thanks to everyone who has replied.


dihydrogen monoxide poisoning is no joke. thousands die each year from inhaling the toxic substance. it should be banned, for the children

In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional dihydrogen monoxide poisonings in the United States, an average of nine people per day.(CDC 2006)
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

In 2004, of all children 1-4 years old who died, 26% died from dihydrogen monoxide poisoning (CDC 2006). Fatal dihydrogen monoxide poisoning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005)

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

It is estimated that for each dihydrogen monoxide poisoning death, there are 1 to 4 nonfatal inhalations serious enough to result in hospitalization. Children who still require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) at the time they arrive at the emergency department have a poor prognosis, with at least half of survivors suffering significant neurologic impairment.

American Academy of Pediatrics

19% of dihydrogen monoxide poisoning deaths involving children occur in public pools with certified lifeguards present.
dihydrogen monoxide poisoning Prevention Foundation

A dihydrogen monoxide storage facility is 14 times more likely than a motor vehicle to be involved in the death of a child age 4 and under.
Orange County California Fire Authority

Children under five and adolescents between the ages of 15-24 have the highest dihydrogen monoxide poisoning rates.
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

An estimated 5,000 children ages 14 and under are hospitalized due to unintentional dihydrogen monoxide poisoning-related incidents each year; 15 percent die in the hospital and as many as 20 percent suffer severe, permanent neurological disability.

National Safety Council

Of all preschoolers who are poisoned by dihydrogen monoxide , 70 percent are in the care of one or both parents at the time of the poisoning and 75 percent are missing from sight for five minutes or less.

Orange County, CA, Fire Authority

The majority of children who survive (92 percent) are discovered within two minutes following inhalation, and most children who die (86 percent) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) die or are left with severe brain injury.

National Safe Kids Campaign




Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:03:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tahawus:
The anti-frackers are going nuts here in upstate New York. Got the Marcellus Shale underneath and full-blown eco-NIMBYs going nuts about how everyone is going to die from cancer. Meanwhile the economy is in the shitter here. It is seriously fucking loonytoons around here.


Let them freeze

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:06:44 AM EDT
I work for a frac company. Its here to stay unless .gov regulates it out of existance.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:11:11 AM EDT
Even if the U.S. government regulated fracking out of existence tomorrow, the number of huge shale plays in other countries means that fracking and the technology necessary is only going to continue to grow. China didn't buy a $2 billion stake in the Barnett Shale because they want to pipe gas from Fort Worth to Hong Kong. They did it because they want to exploit their own shale gas plays - and they are far, far, far from being the only country that is "poor" in traiditonal fossil fuels who may be very well off in shale gas & oil. Now whether those foreign countries will buy sand from your company or just steal your tech and make it themselves, I can't say.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:12:56 AM EDT
I think I tried to understand fracking last time it was mentioned in arfcom. Could someone give me the 101 lowdown on what this is?

Why should the government not like it? Do greenies not like it?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:17:42 AM EDT
Hydraulic pressure is used to break (fracture) bedrock.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:36:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
I think I tried to understand fracking last time it was mentioned in arfcom. Could someone give me the 101 lowdown on what this is?

Why should the government not like it? Do greenies not like it?


Because the government hates the middle class.

Greenies don't like it because they think it's evil evil super goo magically turning sacred fossils into precious oil.

In reality we're gonna take 20,000psi, jack some rocks apart, and put sand in the fractures permitting the hydrocarbon to flow toward the well bore.

Imagine it like using a bunch of small aqueducts to tie together as many small lakes so you can drain them all from a central point.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:45:21 AM EDT
I hope it stays around for a long time.

I am supplying some of the hydraulic seals and packings to the guys here in Pa doing the Fracking.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 12:00:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JAShooters:
Fracking is here to stay. All this eco-freakout is bull shit. Fracking causing earthquakes - bullshit.

Get on board man. Times are good and the wages are high. All these outta work people on the coasts should come over here and get to work. I've got job openings all the time....



Actually, they weren't fracking, they were pumping fluid waste from fracking into a deep waste injection well from the news I read.

Different activity, but there is at least one other documented case of deep injection increasing earthquake activity.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 12:11:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 12:14:46 PM EDT by pcsutton]
None of the claims that fracking hurts ANYTHING can be scientifically substantiated. The claims that fracking pollutes groundwater, aquifers, causes earthquakes, and the other sundry accusations have all been proved false. The federal government recently released a study in which fracking was found not to be the culprit in any of the occurrences investigated. Fracking is here to stay, sans the little municipalities that have imposed bans.

Since fracking allows the economically viable recovery of 'tight oil & gas' in formations previously held to be unprofitable, fracking is allowing production in many diverse geographic areas which were never viable before. The majority of the consternation is in areas in which fracking is new to the area and people have been exposed to the anti-fracking propaganda.

Throughout the history of domestic oil well drilling in this nation, each of those wells had samples taken and many of them were logged for production as vertical wells. Many of these wells had 'a show' of oil while being drilled through these 'tight oil' bearing shale formations, but there was no way to recover the oil from those formations.

With the recent enhanced recovery techniques, including fracking and directional drilling allowing lateral boreholes, geologists are going back and re evaluating these old well logs looking for these 'tight oil' bearing formations. So far, about 20 regions across the country have been found to have oil bearing shale formations. The operating companies have begun developing these areas, beginning with the areas that have the thickest and most 'oil bearing' shale formations. Areas with less thick shale will likely be developed in the future. The reason for the delay is the shortage of personnel and equipment.

By every indication I have seen, taking a job with a service company that supports fracking operations....will likely be a long term career.



Link Posted: 1/5/2012 12:23:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 12:26:11 PM EDT by dubBinSEA]
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
None of the claims that fracking hurts ANYTHING can be scientifically substantiated. The claims that fracking pollutes groundwater, aquifers, causes earthquakes, and the other sundry accusations have all been proved false. The federal government recently released a study in which fracking was found not to be the culprit in any of the occurrences investigated. Fracking is here to stay, sans the little municipalities that have imposed bans.

Since fracking allows the economically viable recovery of 'tight oil & gas' in formations previously held to be unprofitable, fracking is allowing production in many diverse geographic areas which were never viable before. The majority of the consternation is in areas in which fracking is new to the area and people have been exposed to the anti-fracking propaganda.

Throughout the history of domestic oil well drilling in this nation, each of those wells had samples taken and many of them were logged for production as vertical wells. Many of these wells had 'a show' of oil while being drilled through these 'tight oil' bearing shale formations, but there was no way to recover the oil from those formations.

With the recent enhanced recovery techniques, including fracking and directional drilling allowing lateral boreholes, geologists are going back and re evaluating these old well logs looking for these 'tight oil' bearing formations. So far, about 20 regions across the country have been found to have oil bearing shale formations. The operating companies have begun developing these areas, beginning with the areas that have the thickest and most 'oil bearing' shale formations. Areas with less thick shale will likely be developed in the future. The reason for the delay is the shortage of personnel and equipment.

By every indication I have seen, taking a job with a service company that supports fracking operations....will likely be a long term career.










that bit in the red ...... um ....it is quite true and been out for awhile now ....

dont know where you quoted that from from but on any "Federal Government Study"


Science....how does it work?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 12:32:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dubBinSEA:
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
None of the claims that fracking hurts ANYTHING can be scientifically substantiated. The claims that fracking pollutes groundwater, aquifers, causes earthquakes, and the other sundry accusations have all been proved false. The federal government recently released a study in which fracking was found not to be the culprit in any of the occurrences investigated. Fracking is here to stay, sans the little municipalities that have imposed bans.

Since fracking allows the economically viable recovery of 'tight oil & gas' in formations previously held to be unprofitable, fracking is allowing production in many diverse geographic areas which were never viable before. The majority of the consternation is in areas in which fracking is new to the area and people have been exposed to the anti-fracking propaganda.

Throughout the history of domestic oil well drilling in this nation, each of those wells had samples taken and many of them were logged for production as vertical wells. Many of these wells had 'a show' of oil while being drilled through these 'tight oil' bearing shale formations, but there was no way to recover the oil from those formations.

With the recent enhanced recovery techniques, including fracking and directional drilling allowing lateral boreholes, geologists are going back and re evaluating these old well logs looking for these 'tight oil' bearing formations. So far, about 20 regions across the country have been found to have oil bearing shale formations. The operating companies have begun developing these areas, beginning with the areas that have the thickest and most 'oil bearing' shale formations. Areas with less thick shale will likely be developed in the future. The reason for the delay is the shortage of personnel and equipment.

By every indication I have seen, taking a job with a service company that supports fracking operations....will likely be a long term career.










that bit in the red ...... um ....it is quite true and been out for awhile now ....

dont know where you quoted that from from but on any "Federal Government Study"


Science....how does it work?


Talk is cheap. Prove it.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 12:44:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 8:39:50 PM EDT by pcsutton]

Originally Posted By dubBinSEA:
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
None of the claims that fracking hurts ANYTHING can be scientifically substantiated. The claims that fracking pollutes groundwater, aquifers, causes earthquakes, and the other sundry accusations have all been proved false. The federal government recently released a study in which fracking was found not to be the culprit in any of the occurrences investigated. Fracking is here to stay, sans the little municipalities that have imposed bans.

Since fracking allows the economically viable recovery of 'tight oil & gas' in formations previously held to be unprofitable, fracking is allowing production in many diverse geographic areas which were never viable before. The majority of the consternation is in areas in which fracking is new to the area and people have been exposed to the anti-fracking propaganda.

Throughout the history of domestic oil well drilling in this nation, each of those wells had samples taken and many of them were logged for production as vertical wells. Many of these wells had 'a show' of oil while being drilled through these 'tight oil' bearing shale formations, but there was no way to recover the oil from those formations.

With the recent enhanced recovery techniques, including fracking and directional drilling allowing lateral boreholes, geologists are going back and re evaluating these old well logs looking for these 'tight oil' bearing formations. So far, about 20 regions across the country have been found to have oil bearing shale formations. The operating companies have begun developing these areas, beginning with the areas that have the thickest and most 'oil bearing' shale formations. Areas with less thick shale will likely be developed in the future. The reason for the delay is the shortage of personnel and equipment.

By every indication I have seen, taking a job with a service company that supports fracking operations....will likely be a long term career.





Um dont want to crush the tiny world of ignorance you named yourself king of but that bit in the red ...... um ....it is quite true and been out for awhile now ....

dont know where you quoted that from from but on any "Federal Government Study"


Science....how does it work?

Sir, you are apparently ignorant of the facts in the matter and are therefore not qualified to express anything other than an intellectually vacant opinion apparently formed by believing propaganda from other intellectually vacant individuals like Josh Fox....but at least he's making money from his bullshit.

Oh....and the study I alluded to was the second of two ninty-day reports issued by the Department of Energy’s Shale Gas Subcommittee.

Shouldn't you be out occupying something?

ETA: Nice try in redacting the 'tiny world of ignorance' remark......
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 1:03:40 PM EDT
Zing!
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:13:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tahawus:
The anti-frackers are going nuts here in upstate New York. Got the Marcellus Shale underneath and full-blown eco-NIMBYs going nuts about how everyone is going to die from cancer. Meanwhile the economy is in the shitter here. It is seriously fucking loonytoons around here.


But you repeat yourself.

Former downstater here.
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