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11/22/2017 10:05:29 PM
Posted: 9/12/2004 3:43:47 PM EST
Officer Fired After Using Taser On Escapee

Suspect Led Police On Chase

POSTED: 5:58 p.m. EDT September 9, 2004
UPDATED: 1:07 a.m. EDT September 11, 2004

Story by Channel Cincinnati

MIDDLETOWN, Ohio -- A police officer involved in capturing an man who escaped police custody was fired, WLWT News 5 reported.

Estell Buck reportedly tried to escape from a Warren County sheriff's deputy while in Middletown in August. During the fight, Buck allegedly choked the deputy who was guarding him.

Kathy Jones, a 14-year veteran officer was fired after she used a Taser on the escapee. Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:45:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Officer Fired After Using Taser On Escapee

Suspect Led Police On Chase

POSTED: 5:58 p.m. EDT September 9, 2004
UPDATED: 1:07 a.m. EDT September 11, 2004

Story by Channel Cincinnati

MIDDLETOWN, Ohio -- A police officer involved in capturing an man who escaped police custody was fired, WLWT News 5 reported.

Estell Buck reportedly tried to escape from a Warren County sheriff's deputy while in Middletown in August. During the fight, Buck allegedly choked the deputy who was guarding him.

Kathy Jones, a 14-year veteran officer was fired after she used a Taser on the escapee. Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




Yeah, that was probably a mistake, unless he had just bitten another officer or something.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:47:11 PM EST
Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.

It was funny at the time!

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:11:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




Evidently, once again, somebody just had to take some snapshots....
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 5:54:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Officer Fired After Using Taser On Escapee

Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




Accountability. Police are NOT above the law. She should do time for that. Atleast 30 days.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 5:58:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Oslow:
Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.

It was funny at the time!





Link Posted: 9/12/2004 5:59:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1776:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Officer Fired After Using Taser On Escapee

Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




Accountability. Police are NOT above the law. She should do time for that. Atleast 30 days.




Get too many speeding tickets?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:05:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 6:06:17 PM EST by 1776]

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:

Originally Posted By 1776:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Officer Fired After Using Taser On Escapee

Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




Accountability. Police are NOT above the law. She should do time for that. Atleast 30 days.




Get too many speeding tickets?



I really cant think of but 1 in the last 20 years of driving. I may have had another but dont recall. Why do you ask? Does my desire for police to be held to the same standards that they enforce disturb you?
What do you think would happen if YOU detained someone in handcuffs then shot them with 18,000 volts? You would do time!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:12:45 PM EST
Tasing a person who is in custody is just plain wrong. Tempting at times, difficult to resist but wrong nonetheless. Aside from being wrong, she was stupid for doing it in front of witnesses. Cops are often their own worst enemies. She should face prosecution for assault under color of authority. She probably won't.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:18:57 PM EST
suspened? yes. fired? no
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:44:55 PM EST
That's what she gets.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:58:56 PM EST
Yeah... difficult situation. If the guy was acting up, then yeah she was probably justified in doing it.

But from what I've read, it sounds like she he was in custody and not further resisting arrest.
In that case she doesn't deserve to wear a badge.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:39:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By thecleaner:
suspened? yes. fired? no



suspended? no, fired? yes

Roy
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:44:22 PM EST
I agree with Sukebe.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:49:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 7:53:52 PM EST by NickDrak]
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:50:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By thecleaner:
suspened? yes. fired? no



Im sorry but the response in this case by the department is equal to what a normal person in any other job would be receiving.

I do something that is against the rules i dont get sent on paid vacation i get escorted out of the building with my possessions.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:52:24 PM EST


Originally Posted By 1776:
Accountability. Police are NOT above the law. She should do time for that. Atleast 30 days.




You must have been there, and seen everything that transpired for you to make a judgement like that.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:55:20 PM EST
[t_s_1_36] But, using a taser is below any application of physical force on the departmental use-of-force matrix! It's lower than putting your hands on someone! It's practically a love tap! He may have been passively resisting, in which case, according to the use-of-force matrix, tasing him was a lesser degree of force than grabbing his elbow! People should be happy to be tased because according to the . . . .[/t_s_1_36]
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 8:05:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
[t_s_1_36] But, using a taser is below any application of physical force on the departmental use-of-force matrix! It's lower than putting your hands on someone! It's practically a love tap! He may have been passively resisting, in which case, according to the use-of-force matrix, tasing him was a lesser degree of force than grabbing his elbow! People should be happy to be tased because according to the . . . .[/t_s_1_36]



Link Posted: 9/12/2004 8:08:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Tasing a person who is in custody is just plain wrong. Tempting at times, difficult to resist but wrong nonetheless. Aside from being wrong, she was stupid for doing it in front of witnesses. Cops are often their own worst enemies. She should face prosecution for assault under color of authority. She probably won't.



Thank you. That was a refreshing statement. You JBT you!
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 12:27:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By NickDrak:

Originally Posted By 1776:
Accountability. Police are NOT above the law. She should do time for that. Atleast 30 days.




You must have been there, and seen everything that transpired for you to make a judgement like that.




Given the report and the fact she was fired it is a VERY reasonable conclusion. Until more revealing details emerge I will stand by what I said. You pissed because one of your sisterhood got canned? (are you a cop?) Dont be mad because you picked a job that demands accountability.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 12:37:49 PM EST
We are allowed to apply the taser to a subject in custody in certain situations. We remove the probe cartridge and use it just like a stun gun. It's effective in trying to hobble a guy who is kicking the shit out of you while you're loading him into the car.
I've had people grab onto chainlink fences while they're cuffed. Prior to the taser the only way get them to let go was either pressure point or breaking fingers. The taser is safer for both the suspect and officer.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 12:50:32 PM EST
From the information I got at my CCW class yesterday from a local LEO who came to speak at the class. She fired the taser out of pure anger. She was pissed that the guy led the police on a chase and attempted to injure her or one of the other officers durinf the fight once he was captured. Good thing you only had a taser in her hand, she might have mistaken him for a dog and shot him......
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:07:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Tasing a person who is in custody is just plain wrong. Tempting at times, difficult to resist but wrong nonetheless. Aside from being wrong, she was stupid for doing it in front of witnesses. Cops are often their own worst enemies. She should face prosecution for assault under color of authority. She probably won't.



What do you know? If the subject was combatant or unruly, non-complying, etc. and the department's use of force policy justifies it, then you don't know what you are talking about.

It is all about abiding by the individual department's policy, not knee-jerk Monday morning quarterbacking.

/Taser stockholder
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:08:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Tasing a person who is in custody is just plain wrong. Tempting at times, difficult to resist but wrong nonetheless. Aside from being wrong, she was stupid for doing it in front of witnesses. Cops are often their own worst enemies. She should face prosecution for assault under color of authority. She probably won't.



Oh, I'm sure she'll probably get a good ole civil suit filed against her...which is probably one of the reasons the city washed their hands of her. Not that it will help...he'll go for the deep pockets...and the po po's pockets...and the pockets of the guy who witnessed it...poor Mr. Criminal
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:15:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:16:41 PM EST
Come on now, "in custody" doesn't mean shit. Have you had anyone try to kick out the back windows of your cruiser? Have you had anyone in cuffs try to kick, bite, headbutt or spit on you when you are in booking or at the jail? Just because someone is in custody doesn't mean that they quit fighting or acting up.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what exactly happened, but if the cop did it when the susp. was going along with the program, then that was definitely wrong to tase him. But you can't say it was wrong if he was cuffed but still resisting.


Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Tasing a person who is in custody is just plain wrong. Tempting at times, difficult to resist but wrong nonetheless. Aside from being wrong, she was stupid for doing it in front of witnesses. Cops are often their own worst enemies. She should face prosecution for assault under color of authority. She probably won't.

Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:19:07 PM EST
Just goes to show a person -----------



cops are human also, subject to the same emotions we all are -
anger
shame
pride
fear
loss of control.


Another one bites the dust.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:23:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Just goes to show a person -----------



cops are human also, subject to the same emotions we all are -
anger
shame
pride
fear
loss of control.

AND PROSECUTION FOR STEPPING OVER THE LINE


Another one bites the dust.



There, FIXED IT...
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:24:24 PM EST

Kathy Jones, a 14-year veteran officer was fired after she used a Taser on the escapee. Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.


So what did she do wrong? So what he still deservied it.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 1:28:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/13/2004 1:32:08 PM EST by NickDrak]

Originally Posted By 1776:

Given the report and the fact she was fired it is a VERY reasonable conclusion. Until more revealing details emerge I will stand by what I said. You pissed because one of your sisterhood got canned? (are you a cop?) Dont be mad because you picked a job that demands accountability.



Yes, I am a police officer, and I am proud that I choose a profession that requires and demands patience, and that I risk my life every day to protect individuals like yourself, who are quick to jump to conclusions based on a very limited amount of information.

If this officer did act in sheer anger to torture the subject, then she should be releaved of her duty.

How about this, why not wait until "more revealing details emerge" before acting as Judge and Jury and making such an unreasonable "conclusion" based on limited information.

Luckily you didnt choose law enforcement as you profession, because based on your reasoning skills, you would have been a liability on the street.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 2:25:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/13/2004 2:26:26 PM EST by 1776]

Originally Posted By NickDrak:

Originally Posted By 1776:

Given the report and the fact she was fired it is a VERY reasonable conclusion. Until more revealing details emerge I will stand by what I said. You pissed because one of your sisterhood got canned? (are you a cop?) Dont be mad because you picked a job that demands accountability.



Yes, I am a police officer, and I am proud that I choose a profession that requires and demands patience, and that I risk my life every day to protect individuals like yourself, who are quick to jump to conclusions based on a very limited amount of information.

If this officer did act in sheer anger to torture the subject, then she should be releaved of her duty.

How about this, why not wait until "more revealing details emerge" before acting as Judge and Jury and making such an unreasonable "conclusion" based on limited information.

Luckily you didnt choose law enforcement as you profession, because based on your reasoning skills, you would have been a liability on the street.




I am not a judge nor a jury and that affords me to have an opinion based on the available information.
This is still AMERICA isnt it?
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 2:44:10 PM EST
the propper response would be to shoot her with the same taser right in the pussy!!
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 2:48:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By oddball:
the propper response would be to shoot her with the same taser right in the pussy!!



Boy, you're a real gem aren't you?

If the officer DID do this as "lesson teaching", the response was proper. If the subject was still resisting, she did good and deserves her job back.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:03:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/13/2004 3:04:17 PM EST by Space-Marine]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Officer Fired After Using Taser On Escapee

Suspect Led Police On Chase

POSTED: 5:58 p.m. EDT September 9, 2004
UPDATED: 1:07 a.m. EDT September 11, 2004

Story by Channel Cincinnati

MIDDLETOWN, Ohio -- A police officer involved in capturing an man who escaped police custody was fired, WLWT News 5 reported.

Estell Buck reportedly tried to escape from a Warren County sheriff's deputy while in Middletown in August. During the fight, Buck allegedly choked the deputy who was guarding him.

Kathy Jones, a 14-year veteran officer was fired after she used a Taser on the escapee. Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




I am your average cop hater, but this is a line of crap. Look at the underlined point you retards.

Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:11:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:


Kathy Jones, a 14-year veteran officer was fired after she used a Taser on the escapee. Investigators said the problem was that Jones used the Taser after Buck was in custody, handcuffed and being led into the jail.




BWAAAHAAHAA!!!!!

But seriously.............BWAAAHAAHAA!!!

Gotta be able to "turn it off" once the bracelets are on.............
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:18:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:24:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By oddball:
the propper response would be to shoot her with the same taser right in the pussy!!



Now thats funny
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:34:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/13/2004 3:34:58 PM EST by NickDrak]

Originally Posted By 1776:

I am not a judge nor a jury and that affords me to have an opinion based on the available information.
This is still AMERICA isnt it?



Quit with the bullshit liberal catchphrases. Yes, this is still America, but you made a JUDGEMENT based on the limited availible info. and your "opinion". Would it be more "American" to you if everyone was convicted and sentenced based on your opinions which are based on very limited factual information?

So obviously no, you are not a judge in real life, but you try to play one on the internet.

Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:42:39 PM EST

I am your average cop hater


So who do you call when you have a problem ? Please dont tell me that you are 6' 5'' 350lbs Navy Seal
that can handle any and all problems alone.
I agree that there is no need for true police brutally but there is no need for resisting arrest even if you are 100% in the right
and 100% innocent. When you hear the words " You are under arrest " you will go one way or another. Just comply and the facts can be sorted out at the station.
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