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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:49:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Buy it. It is cheaper now than ever before.
Buy Buy buy buy buy... |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:51:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Buy it. If you have played Splinter Cell - that's the pistol the man used. Of course, it had gimmicks that are not standard.....
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:54:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Oh god no please dont make me do it. It's just too cool. Please tell the voices in my head to stop telling me to buy it. What could possibly be a better cross between an AR Pistol and a High Powerd handgun? This cant be happening all at once. Cant breathe. Must have air to decide. Somebody please tell me this isn't as cool as it seems to me.
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:55:23 PM EDT
[#4]
Where is this pistol being sold, and how much are they asking for it?
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:55:41 PM EDT
[#5]
20-rd mags, civie-legal, low recoil, HIGH velocity, $700, what are you waiting for, man.
I would buy it if I had the funds. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:56:22 PM EDT
[#6]
the question you just asked was directed at the wrong group of people.
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:56:29 PM EDT
[#7]
Its REALLY big and ugly, and the ammo is mad expensive.
save the money for the civvie legal P90, if and when that ever comes out. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:56:53 PM EDT
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5-7 There HAS to be something wrong with this?@?@?@?!@?!?!?@#>@@%$#? |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:57:59 PM EDT
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I bought one - CDNN for $700.
CMMG has 20rnders for it for about $35. Reeds has ammo for about 35 cents a round. Here's a pic of the five seven ammo versus .223 
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Posted: 11/9/2004 8:59:52 PM EDT
[#10]
It would make more sense if you could buy the "verbotten" ammo... which you can't, otherwise it's just another overpriced handgun with a respected name attached to it.
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:00:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Not to mention very accurate and flat-shooting.
A .22 magnum on steroids. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:03:18 PM EDT
[#12]
what is the stopping power of the 5.7mm though? It seems to me like it would be even poorer then a .223 (out of a pistol length barrel). Is it any better then a .22?
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:03:38 PM EDT
[#13]
It's described as having the penetrating power of a 223 with less recoil than a 9mm. What gives?
 The Five-seveN Pistol is the companion weapon to the P90 sub-machine gun. The 5.7x28mm ammunition has the capability of penetrating body armor at extended ranges, yet has less felt recoil and is less prone to over-penetration. The Five-seveN Tactical is an easily concealable single action pistol with a 20-round magazine capacity. A maximum use has been made of composite materials in the frame and slide to result in an extremely light weight, 1.7 pound, design. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:04:24 PM EDT
[#14]
If someone would manufacture it, a five-seven minigun (maybe shoulder mounted) could be interesting
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:06:56 PM EDT
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I've heard a few rumors going around about the Five-seveN platform being offered in 10mm Auto.... anyone else hear anything? Or are there a few dumbasses who I need to straighten out?
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:11:33 PM EDT
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There are some other threads on this board about the five seven. In one of them, a guy took a new level 2 vest and shot it with 45acp, 44mag, and 357mag. The vest stopped all of them. Behind the vest, was two phonebooks stacked one behind the other.
The five seven went through the vest, went through the first phonebook, and lodged in the last. Oh, and that was with the supposedly non-armor piercing civilian hollow-point "training" ammo. I figure everyone should have one armor piercing handgun - you never know when the bad guys are going to be wearing vests. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:13:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:15:10 PM EDT
[#18]
I have one and its a blast to shoot. I need some 20 rd mags for it and I'm good to go!
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:15:35 PM EDT
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The wound potential with even the best ammo is DISMAL with this gun. Yes, it can penetrate pistol-rated vests, but it wounds like a .22LR, and sometimes not even that well. The round was designed for the full-auto P90, which has a longer barrel (higher velocity) and can spray long bursts of bullets into someone from across a room, which is what they're designed for. While the individual rounds are still very lousy at wounding, when you can put 10-15 rounds in someone in 2 seconds, it can be effective. From the Five-seveN pistol, you get single shots, and much lower velocity due to the shorter barrel. Again, wound potential like a .22LR. Once most police departments figured that out, sales of this gun dropped to nearly zero, and FN was forced to change their stance and try to sell the guns to the general public to recoup some of their money. I would strongly recommend that you do NOT use it to defend yourself with... -Troy |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:16:34 PM EDT
[#20]
I do have a CZ 52 in 7.62 x 25. Will have to do for now. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:18:45 PM EDT
[#21]
It's an expensive hot .22 cal pistol. I wanted one bad, actually handled one then got over it quickly. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:20:05 PM EDT
[#22]
That is the NON CIVIE ammo. Peons can only get the non AP hollow point "training rounds." |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:24:37 PM EDT
[#23]
20 round mags = good times.
You should buy it. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:30:00 PM EDT
[#24]
I took mine to the range this last weekend. It was a blast to shoot. Almost no recoil. You can pump 20 rounds into your target in less than five seconds. I don't care what the haters say, I wouldn't want to get shot with this thing - vest or no vest.
I don't think it is going to take the place of rifles, and particularly ARs, but it is a bad ass handgun. And the tests done by other forum members indicate that the projectiles tumble upon impact. They also leave the "short" barrel at over 2100 feet per second. |
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:34:02 PM EDT
[#25]
But but but... The bullets are pointier! They must be "mad leathal"! 
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Posted: 11/9/2004 9:41:26 PM EDT
[#26]
When anything is traveling 2100 fps isn't it inherently AP?
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Posted: 11/9/2004 10:55:42 PM EDT
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The term "AP" or "Armor Piercing" is constantly misused in the media, movies, and even here on AR15.com.
The armor that "AP" refers to is hardened metal armor, like that which is still used on many military vehicles, and is used for shields for otherwise exposed turret gunners. The anti-gun people, quickly followed by the media, began incorrectly using AP to mean "able to penetrate police-style body armor." Now, 20 years later, most folks don't know the difference. The 5.7mm ammo is NOT "AP", but it *was* designed to penetrate pistol-rated body armor. And, it does at common pistol ranges from the Five-seveN pistol. But the bullet does not expand or fragment, due to the bullet jacket, and the fact that this very short bullet does yaw does not make a whole lot of difference. Penetration from the pistol is around 5-6" from the Five-seveN (it's about 7" from the P90), and the permanent crush cavity is tiny. Think "ice pick." Anyone who uses "I wouldn't want to be shot with it" should not be taken too seriously, because who would want to be shot with ANY bullet? A single shot could easily be lethal, just as many people are killed by .22LR. The difference is that it could take them minutes, hours, even DAYS to die of the wound. When you have an attacker shooting back at you, you need them out of the fight IMMEDIATELY. Every second you have to wait for your bullets to take effect is a chance for the bad guy to send a bullet or two back in your direction, and he could kill you, your partner, or a loved one in the process. Yes, it's a neat gun, and if I had the budget, I'd get one just for the novelty value of having it in the collection. But I would *never* recommend using it as a defensive weapon, as it simply isn't up to the task. Which is why FN has had very few police sales, and why a couple of departments have already dumped theirs. At least I can say I tried to warn you... -Troy |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 12:09:50 AM EDT
[#28]
get it
i would but i'm not 21 (yet) |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 12:22:58 AM EDT
[#29]
so is it cali legal/?
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Posted: 11/10/2004 12:23:41 AM EDT
[#30]
nope. 
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Posted: 11/10/2004 12:48:19 AM EDT
[#31]
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Posted: 11/10/2004 5:15:52 AM EDT
[#32]
For what it's worth, I like it. Given my choice as a carry weapon, I'd take a good .45 ACP over that in a second.....but like others have said, it sure would be cool to have in the collection. As your primary pistol, never. As an addition to a collection, DEFINATELY.
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Posted: 11/10/2004 7:20:47 AM EDT
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I have this gun and love it. I purchased it solely to add to my collection. One thing people forgot to mention is that this thing is wicked light. WAY lighter than any Glock or tupperware gun. It is a joy to shoot and will make anyone look good. Almost completely flat trajectory and good grouping. I just wish it had a removable front site. It does not it is fixed. If I was allowed to CCW I would consider this gun. Plus the 20rd mags don’t hurt.
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Posted: 11/10/2004 7:24:03 AM EDT
[#34]
+1 Don't buy it if you want a practical, useful handgun. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 7:29:36 AM EDT
[#35]
So basically its a .22wmr pistol. I'll be sticking with my .45. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 7:31:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Of course you should buy it, and then (if your a cop) you should shoot some dogs with it and tell us about its lethality
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Posted: 11/10/2004 7:41:40 AM EDT
[#37]
While this gun strikes me as being an uberkool range item, the penetration issue gives me pause for defensive applications.
You don't want to punch holes through the bad guy. You're responsible for everything the round hits. If it passes through and keeps going, your name is still attached to it. For defense, it's better to have something that creates an entry wound and then stops, transferring energy within the BG. With that said, I'd like to have one. 
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Posted: 11/10/2004 7:59:36 AM EDT
[#38]
The original post was, "how can I avoid buying one".
Lots of critics chimed in about how it's like a .22 and so on. That's the same thing people say about the .223, but yet we trust our troops and our nation's security with it. Anyway, most of those critics are still unable to keep from admitting that if they had the cash, they would add this pistol to their collection. I agree with that assessment and I did add it to my collection. So even if some people don't take my comments "seriously", the fact remains that this is a quality lightweight ergonomic accurate handgun that is a pleasure to shoot with a 20 round capacity that goes through body armor at over 2100 feet per second. Should it be your only gun, that's up to you. I have several others, but would not feel unsafe with this weapon. When I get some time, I am going see if I can't shoot a pig with this thing - I will let you know what the wounds look like. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:38:28 AM EDT
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I agree with Troy. I have a P90 and it would probably be the last rifle in the safe I'd grab for SHTF. It's fun but not very effective. The other day I recoverd an old armor plate (kevlar, ceramic and steel) out of an old Huey. I shot it with .308 (good results, blasted out the kevlar and ceramic and dented the steel) 7.62X39 (close to the .308) 5.45X39 (very impressive blasted all the kevlar and ceramic out of a 4 inch area but didn't dent the plate) .223 both green tip and XM193, (dented the plate but displaced less kevlar than the 7.62 and 5.45 a round of 5.7 duty ammo, not the practice ammo. It did almost nothing. It penetrated the kevlar and displaced a very small amount of ceramic. The most damaging was an old Mosin Nagant with 7.62X54R steel core that almost penetrated the plate. It displaced the kevlar, a bunch of ceramic and cracked the steel. I thought the P90 duty round would at least dent the plate but it was dismal. Now a mag dump at close range against a soft armored target would be devestating, but I think the pistol is useless. In have pics of the plate but it will be hard to read my chicken scratches with the marker so I didn't hassle with posting it. If anyone wants to try I'll email the pic for posting.
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:41:29 AM EDT
[#40]
lead throwing toy
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:42:34 AM EDT
[#41]
All ballistic data aside, I would definitely like to have one!
I do not like the "glove finger" trigger guard, however. It seems to me FN did that more to create an immediately distinguishabe feature to the weapon rather than add any real pratical advantage. This is still a new caliber. I am quite sure there will be further developments as regards the 5.7 cartridge. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:44:23 AM EDT
[#42]
If you have the money, and do not plan to rely on it for self defense, I'd get one. There are guns that are used for self protection, and there are guns purchased for their "fun" value.
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:52:38 AM EDT
[#43]
Don't you mean 7.62X54 
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:55:18 AM EDT
[#44]
+1
Get real man, there is a BIG difference between the .223 arguement and the 5.7. For one, the .223(5.56) FRAGMENTS, the 5.7 does not. Listen to Troy, he knows of what he speaks. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:57:31 AM EDT
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Why wouldn't someone come up with a wildcat for the 5-7 that's a round using a straightwall case ala .30carbine. Loaded to sufficient pressures with a capable expanding point bullet, combined with 20 round mags, it could be a very effective handgun. As it stands, I wouldn't buy one in the .22 caliber for the same reasons I see no reason to own a 5.56 AR pistol.
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:58:14 AM EDT
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5.45X39 (very impressive blasted all the kevlar and ceramic out of a 4 inch area but didn't dent the plate)
agrred! most folks overlook the penetrating abilities of 5.45 with its' great b.c. The most damaging was an old Mosin Nagant with 7.62X39R steel core that almost penetrated the plate. i'm sure you meant to type "54r"...that stuff is awesome! try it in a pkm...shreds cars like they were made of wood. i have yet to try 5.7 out. a friend gave me some of the hollow point ammunition and it looks interesting. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:58:35 AM EDT
[#47]
Yep, fixed. Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 8:59:35 AM EDT
[#48]
 1911 .45ACP for me. |
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Posted: 11/10/2004 9:10:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/10/2004 9:10:44 AM EDT
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I use the term AP because that is the term FN uses. |
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