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Posted: 9/17/2005 10:07:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 10:10:39 PM EDT by KA3B]
PRESS RELEASE -- Secretary of the Air Force, Office of Public Affairs

Release No. 600905
September 16, 2005

Peacekeeper Deactivation Ceremony



FRANCIS E. WARREN AIR FORCE BASE, Wyo. -- In an effort to highlight the
historic success of the Peacekeeper weapon system as the deactivation
process nears completion, the 90th Space Wing offers a media opportunity
for the official Peacekeeper deactivation ceremony Monday, Sep. 19.

The event will mark the official completion of the deactivation of the
weapons system and includes two three-person panels of missileers,
maintainers and wing and Air Force leadership for interviews prior to
the start of the official ceremony as well as a short parade at the
ceremony's conclusion.

"This will be a historic event in the Air Force celebrating the
successful completion of the Peacekeeper ICBM weapon system's mission of
nuclear deterrence," said Col. Michael Carey, 90th Space Wing commander.

For more information about the event, contact Staff Sgt. Kurt Arkenberg
or Staff Sgt. Theresa Donnelly at (307) 773-3381.

Missiles being dismantled
Associated Press

F.E. WARREN AIR FORCE BASE, Wyo. - The Peacekeeper missile defense system is nearing its last days.

Created in the 1970s and becoming fully operational in 1988 with a squadron of 50 missiles, the Peacekeeper was designed to serve as a deterrent to nuclear aggressors against the United States and its allies. Located far inland in Wyoming, Nebraska and Colorado, the Peacekeepers were made to ensure destruction of the enemy, even in the event of a sneak attack.

It was this deterrence that helped end the Cold War and prevented any future nuclear attacks, thus earning the missile its name as a peacekeeper, supporters say.

"Dismantling the Peacekeeper is exactly the right thing to do," said Col. Mike Carey, commander of the 90th Space Wing, located at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne. "Its deactivation is a victory for deterrence."

The Peacekeeper, or LGM-118A, is being phased out as part of a mutual nuclear arms reduction effort between President Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The entire Peacekeeper squadron will be deactivated by mid-September. Military officials expect the smaller and newer Minuteman III missile system to take its place.

Earlier this month, media representatives were allowed to view one of the three then-remaining missile sites in rural Wyoming and witness the removal of the re-entry and guidance systems, including the 10 Mark 21 re-entry vehicle warheads. The media group also visited one of three underground command centers where the missiles are targeted and controlled.

Steps to launch

Should the order come from President Bush to launch the missiles, a complicated series of verifications must by completed by missileers and verified by at least one other underground command center, said Capt. Warren Neary.

"Each Peacekeeper is equipped with 10 warheads," said Lt. David Perez, a missileer. "Each warhead is programmed with its own re-entry system and is capable of hitting a separate target" anywhere in the world.

"We know what the targets are," Perez said. "Targets can and do change, even at the last minute, though that's very unlikely."

Launch control facilities are located separate from the missile silos. During most of the year, a missile silo appears to be no more than a thin, white pole that serves as a sensor, surrounded by a security fence. When the sensor detects movement, a nearby center reacts to the silent alarm and sends security guards to inspect. Most of the time, sensors are triggered by rabbits, the wind or tumbleweeds, Perez said.

Self-sufficient facilities

The control center PAPA, located near Albin, consists of an aboveground security facility as well as a command capsule located 60 feet below ground.

"Our launch control facilities are capable of being completely self-sufficient for months at a time," said Lt. Col. David Bliesner, commander of the 400 Missile Squadron.

The underground complex is protected by two 8-ton blast doors and is accessed by an elevator.

Missileers work in teams of two and stay underground for 24-hour shifts. It is their job to monitor the missiles, report security alarms, translate incoming coded messages and fire the missiles if called upon by the president.

"Ultimately, our job is to launch nuclear weapons," said Lt. Amy Mihalik, one of two missileers coming off duty at the time. "When we get the order to launch, we can turn keys within a very few minutes."

Security prohibits revealing specific details, but missileers are trained to be fast and thorough. Even though the Peacekeeper system is nearly deactivated, none of the 35 to 40 crew members are able to relax or cut corners.

"All of our remaining missiles must be ready to launch at any time, up until the last missile is taken out," Bliesner said. "Once the launch order has been verified by two different launch commands, there is no possibility of recall."

Thankfully, the Peacekeepers have never been called upon to launch against any enemies.

"I believe that deterrence works," Bliesner said. "Nobody wants to have to execute a mission. We all understand the seriousness of our duty."

For now, the U.S. Air Force is focussing on the Minuteman III missile system. Each Minuteman III is capable of carrying three warheads and traveling almost anywhere in the world in 30 minutes. The LGM-30 Minuteman III will be able to provide the same kind of nuclear deterrence that the Peacekeeper did, even though they carry just a fraction of the destructive power.

"The world is a much more complicated place" than it was during the Cold War, said Maj. Gen. Frank Klotz, commander of the 20th Air Force, Air Force Space Command and commander of the U.S. Strategic Command at F.E. Warren Air Force Base. "The number of threats is more varied."



Recycling MX warheads
Beginning in 2006, Mk-21/W87 RVs from the Peacekeeper missile currently being phased out, will be transferred onto part of the Minuteman IIIs under the Safety Enhanced Reentry Vehicle (SERV) program to replace the remaining 300 Mk-12/W62 on 200+ Minuteman IIIs at Warren AFB and Malmstrom AFB.

The W62 is scheduled to be scrapped in 2009.

The SERV program will provide those Minuteman IIIs with a capability to carry one or two Mk-21/W87s each, but apparently not three.

The remaining approximately 300 missiles will continue to carry up to three Mk-12A/W78 RVs each. The W78 currently on the Minuteman III has a higher yield than the W87 (335 vs. 300 kilotons, respectively) on the Peacekeeper, which is why some W78s will be retained on the force.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:11:04 PM EDT
FE Warren is cool. Sometimes you can fly in there, and there are C-130s doing touch & gos, that can be neat to watch from a 172.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:16:13 PM EDT
Wait a second....
The Minuteman III's are older than the Peacekeepers. They were launching those in the mid-70's when my brother-in-law was stationed there. The USAF didn't build the first Peacekeeper silo there for test launches until the mid-80's.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:28:52 PM EDT
And to think I spent almost 2 years assigned to the 400th Missile squadron

Ya can't fly into FE, they don't have a runway The C130's are Wyoming Air Guard & not active duty birds

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:40:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By talbalos:
Wait a second....
The Minuteman III's are older than the Peacekeepers. They were launching those in the mid-70's when my brother-in-law was stationed there. The USAF didn't build the first Peacekeeper silo there for test launches until the mid-80's.



USSR died before the MM could be replaced. Shame cause the CPE of the Peacekeep was about a football field from 6000km, or so say my early 90s book on the matter.

Isn't the mainstay of the ICBM force MM.. 2 or 3?

"It's like throwing a dart Jayne, and hitting a bullseye from 6000 miles away."
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:43:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shrike9:
And to think I spent almost 2 years assigned to the 400th Missile squadron

Ya can't fly into FE, they don't have a runway The C130's are Wyoming Air Guard & not active duty birds




True. I always think of the AG/AF as the same entity when I am in Cheyenne.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:04:26 AM EDT
Thank God for the MX missile. Growing up in the 70s probably wasn't as fear ridden as the 50s and 60s, but it still sucked to look at the vast array of Soviet nuclear weapons including the SS-18, which dwarfed anything that we had, size-wise

I perhaps mistakenly got the impression that the MX pretty much gave us a set of nuts against those of the Soviets. MAD is a very good thing.

That MX-on-a-railcar concept was badass.



Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:33:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ustulina:
That MX-on-a-railcar concept was badass.


They wanted to do the same thing for the Minuteman from some books I looked at as a kid in elementary school during the 60's. I think they put the idea aside because it cost too much and there was no GPS or computer compact enough to calculate the launch position in relation to the target.

Some of the toy electric train kits at the time came with a car that had a spring powered missile launcher on it.

The Peacekeeper was designed to replace the Titan II and it's payload of one 50 megaton warhead. Instead of one big nuke, IIRC the Peacekeepers carried 10 smaller independently targeted weapons in the 1 or 10 kiloton range. The Minuteman III carried three of the smaller nukes.

Because of SALT I, the US was limited to 50 Titan II's and 1,000 Minuteman III's.

I forget when it was, but in Arkansas, one of the Titan II's exploded in the silo sending the warhead out like a champagne cork. At that point the DoD decided that the liquid fueled Titans were getting old and Peacekeeper (Then known as MX) was accelerated.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:47:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 12:48:19 AM EDT by Ustulina]
The stuff I just read indicated that the rail system primarily got killed because of public backlash about the enormous amount of land that would be occupied. The accepted scheme was to have the railcar stop at a hardened facility. Since there were multiple facilities for each missile, the Soviets would have to disperse their attacks.

This rail scheme doesn't fit with my memories of photos of the MX carrier simply busting through the concrete tunnel using hydraulic pistons.

So then analysts decided to cluster the MX missiles together in super-hardened silos in the hopes that multiple Soviet warheads converging on the MX cluster would fratricide on each other.

Eventually, this too was abandoned, and the MX missiles were put into modified and already existing Minuteman silos.

So the gist of the article was that not only did the MX fail to achieve a hardened status against first Soviet strike, but with the maximum number of warheads would lack the range to provide total strike capability across the USSR.

If all that is correct, it goes to show how as a little kid, I looked at the MIRVs on the MX and thought "at least we're in the ballgame," when really the project might have been a technical success but a practical semi-failure.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:20:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By talbalos:

I forget when it was, but in Arkansas, one of the Titan II's exploded in the silo sending the warhead out like a champagne cork. At that point the DoD decided that the liquid fueled Titans were getting old and Peacekeeper (Then known as MX) was accelerated.



Err...can we say pucker factor?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:29:37 AM EDT
I think the deactivation process should include a launch. Targets determined by lottery amongst the general population.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:34:15 AM EDT
When I was in high school I wrote letters to the editor of a local paper saying we needed the MX missle.

That was 1984 and '85.

I remember those days well. Thank you, President Reagan.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:40:06 AM EDT
I think they should "de-activate them" on Mecca.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:48:47 AM EDT


If the Peacekeeper, MX, etc. didn't get the Soviets, the Tridents would.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:51:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sandguard:
I think they should "de-activate them" on Mecca.



Best post yet!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:59:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ustulina:


Eventually, this too was abandoned, and the MX missiles were put into modified and already existing Minuteman silos.





Wrong, thy are way larger than the MM2 & 3 and would not fit into a silo anyway shape or form.

If you ever drive on I25 thrugh Cheyenne Wyoming take a look at the main gate of FE Warren AFB, they have several ICBM's on display and the BIG one is a PK.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:20:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 8:21:35 AM EDT by CZ75_9MM]

Originally Posted By No-Worries:

If the Peacekeeper, MX, etc. didn't get the Soviets, the Tridents would.



+1

They will also never know where they may be launched from.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:28:25 AM EDT
I thought the MM3s were older BUT, they are still good enough for todays threats...also they have recently gone under a major upgrade within the last few years IIRC. Maybe that's why they are considered "new."
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:29:51 AM EDT
My fondest memory of President Regan, is a speech I remember watching, in which he had suggested to Congress they rename the MX missile the "Hallmark" missile. That way, when the Russians saw it comming, they knew we cared enough to send our very best!

Ahh... the good old days
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:38:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:52:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 8:53:46 AM EDT by david_g17]
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Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:56:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By natedogg42:
I thought the MM3s were older BUT, they are still good enough for todays threats...also they have recently gone under a major upgrade within the last few years IIRC. Maybe that's why they are considered "new."



Either the missile itself or the launch system is always undergoing upgrades.

Do a search for "rivet mile" ifin ya want.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:58:28 AM EDT
http://www.pkdeact.com/ Peacekeeper Deactivation Web
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:14:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 9:19:14 AM EDT by TheHappyBlaster]

Originally Posted By vito113:
Cruise and Pershing cooked the Russian Goose. Pershing WOULD hit the Command Centres and Higher Echelon Bunkers and Cruise would come to get you because you didn't have much of a clue were they were but you knew they WOULD come and score a bullseye.

ANdy

Yes, true, but the cold war ended on Nov. 22, 1988, in Palmdale, California.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:22:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 9:32:43 AM EDT by Shooter505]
If you go to Cabela's in the Petz or Sterling Colorado area it gives you an awesome feeling to drive by one of the missile sites in the area and see the Silo sits knowing what is down there. It is also neat to see the convoys of Humvee and UH-1N's escorting a semi with a USAF blue tractor pulling a big white square trailer and Shrike9 and his counterparts in the gun turrets with the belts of ammo locked and loaded in their m-60's. You have no doubt's it is a very serious and real situation. You also know that even when things are normal their are some folks ready to swing one fricking big stick to protect us 24/7. Just for information there is a missile silo just across the interstate from Cabela's. Maybe its there to protect Cabela's

www.siloworld.com/
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:26:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shooter505:
If you go to Cabela's in the Petz or Sterling Colorado area it gives you an awesome feeling to drive by one of the missile sites in the area and see the Silo sits knowing what is down there. It is also neat to see the convoys of Humvee and UH-1N's escorting a semi with a USAF blue tractor pulling a big white square trailer and Shrike9 and his counterparts in the gun turrets with the belts of ammo locked and loaded in their m-60's. You have no doubt's it is a very serious and real situation. You also know that even when things are normal their are some folks ready to swing one fricking big stick to protect us 24/7. Just for information there is a missile silo just across the interstate from Cabela's. Maybe its there to protect Cabela's



FYI. There is an old Atlas I site west of Greeley. You can tour it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:36:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CSM:

Originally Posted By Shooter505:
If you go to Cabela's in the Petz or Sterling Colorado area it gives you an awesome feeling to drive by one of the missile sites in the area and see the Silo sits knowing what is down there. It is also neat to see the convoys of Humvee and UH-1N's escorting a semi with a USAF blue tractor pulling a big white square trailer and Shrike9 and his counterparts in the gun turrets with the belts of ammo locked and loaded in their m-60's. You have no doubt's it is a very serious and real situation. You also know that even when things are normal their are some folks ready to swing one fricking big stick to protect us 24/7. Just for information there is a missile silo just across the interstate from Cabela's. Maybe its there to protect Cabela's



FYI. There is an old Atlas I site west of Greeley. You can tour it.




list of missle sites
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:41:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 9:43:31 AM EDT by Merlin]

Originally Posted By Ustulina:
Thank God for the MX missile. Growing up in the 70s probably wasn't as fear ridden as the 50s and 60s, but it still sucked to look at the vast array of Soviet nuclear weapons including the SS-18, which dwarfed anything that we had, size-wise

I perhaps mistakenly got the impression that the MX pretty much gave us a set of nuts against those of the Soviets. MAD is a very good thing.

That MX-on-a-railcar concept was badass.






MX railcar area at Vandenberg AFB, CA:

terraserverusa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=10&X=902&Y=4817&W=3&qs=%7cvandenberg+AFB%7cca%7c

Building on top right is the 1900 bdlg, that's where some of the USAF railcars are still there and where they loaded them, I think. Bunker for nuke storage is top right, just to the left of the white sandy area it holds Titan motors now. Large building at the bottom end is the current Orbital MAB. Rail line is the circular oval that should be in the center of the pic.

Believe it or not, but go up one size and you'll see the main north-south rail line for the state of Cali, it runs right through the base.

Go up one section and you'll see a crap load of MM & PK test launch silos. This is where they tested the MM"s and PK's, just did a MMIII launch last week, as I recall. Large white beach to the left is called "Minuteman Beach".

Merlin
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:46:13 AM EDT
It all has to do with numbers. Since we are limited to around 500 ICBM warheads by treaties it simply makes more sense to have 500 single warhead MMIIIs than 50 ten warhead PKs. Gives us alot more flexability.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:09:32 AM EDT
If I recall correctly, the missiles are not being destroyed, just removed from their silos and dismantled for storage. We could pull'em out and put them back together if we ever wanted to.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:23:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
It all has to do with numbers. Since we are limited to around 500 ICBM warheads by treaties it simply makes more sense to have 500 single warhead MMIIIs than 50 ten warhead PKs. Gives us alot more flexability.



Actually the Russians were so scared of the PK's and their capabilities with those 10 warheads they would rather have 500 MMIII's than one squadron of PK ICBM's.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:25:25 AM EDT
Article in todays paper http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/wyonews-peacekeeper.asp

http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/index.asp
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:49:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:53:00 AM EDT by bishmich]
AHHH want to see one? missle silo comound? Dix,nebraska, I-80 exit 29 south side, Look for fenced compound.. heheheh..No shit!!!

Originally Posted By Shooter505:
If you go to Cabela's in the Petz or Sterling Colorado area it gives you an awesome feeling to drive by one of the missile sites in the area and see the Silo sits knowing what is down there. It is also neat to see the convoys of Humvee and UH-1N's escorting a semi with a USAF blue tractor pulling a big white square trailer and Shrike9 and his counterparts in the gun turrets with the belts of ammo locked and loaded in their m-60's. You have no doubt's it is a very serious and real situation. You also know that even when things are normal their are some folks ready to swing one fricking big stick to protect us 24/7. Just for information there is a missile silo just across the interstate from Cabela's. Maybe its there to protect Cabela's

www.siloworld.com/

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:54:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ustulina:
The stuff I just read indicated that the rail system primarily got killed because of public backlash about the enormous amount of land that would be occupied. The accepted scheme was to have the railcar stop at a hardened facility. Since there were multiple facilities for each missile, the Soviets would have to disperse their attacks.

This rail scheme doesn't fit with my memories of photos of the MX carrier simply busting through the concrete tunnel using hydraulic pistons.

So then analysts decided to cluster the MX missiles together in super-hardened silos in the hopes that multiple Soviet warheads converging on the MX cluster would fratricide on each other.

Eventually, this too was abandoned, and the MX missiles were put into modified and already existing Minuteman silos.

So the gist of the article was that not only did the MX fail to achieve a hardened status against first Soviet strike, but with the maximum number of warheads would lack the range to provide total strike capability across the USSR.

If all that is correct, it goes to show how as a little kid, I looked at the MIRVs on the MX and thought "at least we're in the ballgame," when really the project might have been a technical success but a practical semi-failure.




IIRC they do use the clustered arrangement. Silos in my area are about 4 miles apart, and according to a guy I know who used to fly B52's the idea is to kill the additional incoming warheads with debris in the air from the initial hit.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:55:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bishmich:AHHH want to see one? Dix,nebraska, I-80 exit 29 south side, Look for fenced compound.. heheheh..No shit!!!


That's a MM III site, not a PK site

However, please be careful, even outside the fence ya can set off the alarms & that could be a really bad thing for you're health

Have ya ever herd the story about a NEb trooper who tried flexing on a MM III convoy & the U.S> Marshal cuffed the trooper in the troopers car

Nobody, but nobody interfeers with a convoy
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:56:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bishmich:
AHHH want to see one? missle silo comound? Dix,nebraska, I-80 exit 29 south side, Look for fenced compound.. heheheh..No shit!!!

Originally Posted By Shooter505:
If you go to Cabela's in the Petz or Sterling Colorado area it gives you an awesome feeling to drive by one of the missile sites in the area and see the Silo sits knowing what is down there. It is also neat to see the convoys of Humvee and UH-1N's escorting a semi with a USAF blue tractor pulling a big white square trailer and Shrike9 and his counterparts in the gun turrets with the belts of ammo locked and loaded in their m-60's. You have no doubt's it is a very serious and real situation. You also know that even when things are normal their are some folks ready to swing one fricking big stick to protect us 24/7. Just for information there is a missile silo just across the interstate from Cabela's. Maybe its there to protect Cabela's

www.siloworld.com/




Yep, it's on the west side of the cross road, maybe 100 yards south of the interstate. I have driven right up to it many times. Imagine being the dude that lived in that house across the street in the 70's!!!

There is also one just off the road in Peets, CO.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:57:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:59:52 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By Shrike9:

Originally Posted By bishmich:AHHH want to see one? Dix,nebraska, I-80 exit 29 south side, Look for fenced compound.. heheheh..No shit!!!


That's a MM III site, not a PK site

However, please be careful, even outside the fence ya can set off the alarms & that could be a really bad thing for you're health

Have ya ever herd the story about a NEb trooper who tried flexing on a MM III convoy & the U.S> Marshal cuffed the trooper in the troopers car

Nobody, but nobody interfeers with a convoy



Do tell - what did he do, try to pull them over for a DOT inspection or something?

Also, there are some silos in Pawnee, I have wandered around the outside of the fence several times. I'd imagine I'd be long gone before any sort of team could be sent wayyyy out there, yes?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:58:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

IIRC they do use the clustered arrangement. Silos in my area are about 4 miles apart, and according to a guy I know who used to fly B52's the idea is to kill the additional incoming warheads with debris in the air from the initial hit.



Time on Target, each incomming warehead would hit the target at the same time. Thus the above idea is just a idea that sounds good

They are spaced apart for other reasons
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:00:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Do tell - what did he do, try to pull them over for a DOT inspection or something?



Close, for speeding (speed limit was 55 back then) & then he ignored the Marshal and did a few other stupid things.

They had to send out another NEb trooper to unlock him & best of all the Marshal used the troopers handcuffs
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:01:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 11:02:28 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By Shrike9:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

IIRC they do use the clustered arrangement. Silos in my area are about 4 miles apart, and according to a guy I know who used to fly B52's the idea is to kill the additional incoming warheads with debris in the air from the initial hit.



Time on Target, each incomming warehead would hit the target at the same time. Thus the above idea is just a idea that sounds good

They are spaced apart for other reasons



I just hope that if they ever get hit, I can safely watch from home in Ft Collins without too much worry - I think the closest silo is still several miles past Ault.

I'd imagine that Cheyenne is a big Red X, so I'll wear sunglasses.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:02:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Also, there are some silos in Pawnee, I have wandered around the outside of the fence several times. I'd imagine I'd be long gone before any sort of team could be sent wayyyy out there, yes?



Actually...........................................................................................Nope

Plus the cameras have ya on record
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:03:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shrike9:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

Also, there are some silos in Pawnee, I have wandered around the outside of the fence several times. I'd imagine I'd be long gone before any sort of team could be sent wayyyy out there, yes?



Actually...........................................................................................Nope

Plus the cameras have ya on record



When I did it, we had just moved to CO, so this was 1999. I stayed about 30 feet back from the fence, since I figured there were dudes down there that would open the hatch and be pretty cranky if messed with. They are a grim but very cool and awesome thing to see though.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:04:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

I just hope that if they ever get hit, I can safely watch from home in Ft Collins without too much worry - I think the closest silo is still several miles past Ault.



If we get "hit" all that will be left of Ft Collins is a radioacative wasteland & Cheyenne will be a deep DEEP hole.

Cheyenne Mt down in the springs will be a huge swimming hole

More than likely the entire front range will be a smoking hole
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:07:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:07:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:08:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 11:11:46 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By Shrike9:

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

I just hope that if they ever get hit, I can safely watch from home in Ft Collins without too much worry - I think the closest silo is still several miles past Ault.



If we get "hit" all that will be left of Ft Collins is a radioacative wasteland & Cheyenne will be a deep DEEP hole.

Cheyenne Mt down in the springs will be a huge swimming hole

More than likely the entire front range will be a smoking hole



That sucks.

I always figured that the silos were slated for pretty small warheads, and that I was far enough from them and Cheyenne that the prevailing winds would save me.

The Springs is far enough away that I assumed I wouldn't even see it if it got it.

Oh well, at least I'd get a front seat for the show. I just hope Ft Collins wouldn't be hit - I don't imagine the enemy would bother, just a bunch of microbreweries and hippies here.

I wouldn't imagine the NIST arrays would be hit, especially considering the array's proximity to Budweiser. I bet the Russkies would want that nice cold American beer for themselves.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:08:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:

When I did it, we had just moved to CO, so this was 1999. I stayed about 30 feet back from the fence, since I figured there were dudes down there that would open the hatch and be pretty cranky if messed with. They are a grim but very cool and awesome thing to see though.



Actually, they are unmanned silos, but there are security teams out there & one phone call can put enough manpower/weapons on the road to take over Mexico

No problems as long as ya stay on the roads that go past the sites, but ifin ya get close to the fences or dork with the gats, that's when people get cranky.

Heck, I drove a 6x6 around a unmanned LF (Launch facility) North of town yesterday on a 6000+ acre grass fire
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:10:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
The greatest thing is that ALL of our nuclear deterrent systems have so far proven to be PERFECT weapons.

Meaning that they have never, EVER been used against a live enemy.





What about Japan
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:13:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PeteCO:


That sucks.

I always figured that the silos were slated for pretty small warheads, and that I was far enough from them and Cheyenne that the prevailing winds would save me.

The Springs is far enough away that I assumed I wouldn't even see it if it got it.

Oh well, at least I'd get a front seat for the show. I just hope Ft Collins wouldn't be hit - I don't imagine the enemy would bother, just a bunch of microbreweries and hippies here.



Ft Collins is just sandwiched between 2 major target's & I'd be willing to bet both those areas have lots and of weapons targeted on them.

Fallout will be a bitch, not to mention the EMP pulse.

Major American cities are also target due to being an industrial center, depends on what kind of industries ya have & what ya produce.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:16:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 11:17:20 AM EDT by PeteCO]

Originally Posted By Shrike9:
Ft Collins is just sandwiched between 2 major target's & I'd be willing to bet both those areas have lots and of weapons targeted on them.

Fallout will be a bitch, not to mention the EMP pulse.

Major American cities are also target due to being an industrial center, depends on what kind of industries ya have & what ya produce.




I also forgot about the powerplant up in Craig near Steamboat Springs (allegedly wired to NORAD). Damn, I guess I'm toast. At least I'll be one of the first to know - I'll post about it on Arfcom if I have time....
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:18:29 AM EDT
I never knew what that.. I have been sleeping on that exit all the times with my 18 wheeler truck, and I have peed out side of my truck.. until my dog wandered off too far, went chased that damn dog, saw oddly fenced compound, argghhh took two steps back.. run hell out of there.. Now for months..stay away from there.. dont try sleep over there by it..

Originally Posted By bishmich:
AHHH want to see one? missle silo comound? Dix,nebraska, I-80 exit 29 south side, Look for fenced compound.. heheheh..No shit!!!

Originally Posted By Shooter505:
If you go to Cabela's in the Petz or Sterling Colorado area it gives you an awesome feeling to drive by one of the missile sites in the area and see the Silo sits knowing what is down there. It is also neat to see the convoys of Humvee and UH-1N's escorting a semi with a USAF blue tractor pulling a big white square trailer and Shrike9 and his counterparts in the gun turrets with the belts of ammo locked and loaded in their m-60's. You have no doubt's it is a very serious and real situation. You also know that even when things are normal their are some folks ready to swing one fricking big stick to protect us 24/7. Just for information there is a missile silo just across the interstate from Cabela's. Maybe its there to protect Cabela's

www.siloworld.com/


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