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Link Posted: 3/18/2020 3:53:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RSG:
He lasted a couple games before getting benched after he came back from injury.
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Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44:

Didn't he get hurt, not benched for Minshew?
He lasted a couple games before getting benched after he came back from injury.
Gotcha.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 3:55:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44:

Didn't he get hurt, not benched for Minshew?
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Hurt week 1, came back after the bye. Lost a couple games to Indy, Tennessee, and TB and they benched him during the TB game.

His per game stats looked like this...

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IMO, the stats aren't bad for a guy who had minimal time to develop chemistry with guys in the pre-season and then coming off a rather serious injury he got thrown into a mixed bag of a season.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 3:58:05 PM EST
Go Browns!
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 3:59:27 PM EST
Who's going to overpay for Gordon?

Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:02:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Who's going to overpay for Gordon?

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How much cap space do the Texans have?
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:02:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
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I feel like last year didn't do Gordon any favors for how much he can demand. At the same time...we all know he is a really good back.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:02:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Maverick52:

After that he is stuck as a backup in KC (no surprise as Smith is a pretty good QB) and later on admits that at this point in his career he had lost the love for football and had considered retirement.
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The above statement about Foles may be a bit backwards according to this article: https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/26630/nick-foles-lost-his-love-for-football-the-chiefs-helped-him-find-it  Andy Reid talked him out of quitting football and brought him in as a backup for that year.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:03:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hamiltbl2:

How much cap space do the Texans have?
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Maybe they'll trade Watson.

They can have a formation with 4 RB's in the backfield. GENIUS!
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:06:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Maverick52:
Maybe they'll trade Watson.

They can have a formation with 4 RB's in the backfield. GENIUS!
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Originally Posted By Hamiltbl2:

How much cap space do the Texans have?
Maybe they'll trade Watson.

They can have a formation with 4 RB's in the backfield. GENIUS!
Just run a hell of a lot of reverses.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:09:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Maverick52:

I feel like last year didn't do Gordon any favors for how much he can demand. At the same time...we all know he is a really good back.
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That is the problem, he is a good back but not a great back.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:23:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By noR3Z:

The above statement about Foles may be a bit backwards according to this article: https://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city-chiefs/post/_/id/26630/nick-foles-lost-his-love-for-football-the-chiefs-helped-him-find-it  Andy Reid talked him out of quitting football and brought him in as a backup for that year.
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You're right in that he had lost his love for football in between playing for the Rams and the Chiefs, but that article even points out how broken Foles was when he showed up in KC and that him playing there wasn't about starting it was about learning to love football again. You can't be in that mental state and be able to perform at 100%, and even though he quickly turned around his outlook on football that period of time he was in that mental state had to have taken a toll on him physically. It will take a bit to get back to form, and more importantly it's going to take 1st team and game reps to achieve 100%. That's why I mentioned it there versus prior. His time in KC can't be used to evaluate his potential as a starting QB as he was never there to be a starting QB. That may have been a "shitty situation" of his own making, but it was one nonetheless.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:27:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By huntsman2448:

That is the problem, he is a good back but not a great back.
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I'm not sure what that has to do with the kind of contract he'll take/get offered. Plenty of good not great backs get paid well. The interesting part will be to see if teams compete to pay him for his upside or if they have to beat down his asking price with his latest performance.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:55:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hamiltbl2:
How much cap space do the Texans have?
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Originally Posted By Hamiltbl2:
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Who's going to overpay for Gordon?

How much cap space do the Texans have?
this one made me chuckle.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 4:57:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BobCole:

Shit, Jason Witten signed with the Raiders. How much weirder is Brady than that? Not much, IMO.
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No shit? I missed that
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 5:07:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dog1:
No shit? I missed that
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Originally Posted By BobCole:

Shit, Jason Witten signed with the Raiders. How much weirder is Brady than that? Not much, IMO.
No shit? I missed that
That move that makes little sense as the Raiders have a star TE in Waller and another young guy, Foster Moreau is not bad either.   It's Gruden though, we expect this.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 5:10:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RSG:

That move that makes little sense as the Raiders have a star TE in Waller and another young guy, Foster Moreau is not bad either.   It's Gruden though, we expect this.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking. It makes no sense but like you said it's Gruden
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 5:27:20 PM EST
i'm starting to wonder where the likes of Cam and Winston will play next season.

chargers seem content with tyrod. bears seem to wanna see two back ups duke it out.

maybe the next domino to fall is NE signing or trading for a QB, then some of the rest will fall in line. also have the draft coming up, too.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 5:37:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
i'm starting to wonder where the likes of Cam and Winston will play next season.

chargers seem content with tyrod. bears seem to wanna see two back ups duke it out.

maybe the next domino to fall is NE signing or trading for a QB, then some of the rest will fall in line. also have the draft coming up, too.
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They may be on the outside looking in
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 5:42:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
i'm starting to wonder where the likes of Cam and Winston will play next season.

chargers seem content with tyrod. bears seem to wanna see two back ups duke it out.

maybe the next domino to fall is NE signing or trading for a QB, then some of the rest will fall in line. also have the draft coming up, too.
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I learned in the past couple of days that NFL teams do some dumb things with QBs.

I thought the bears would make a move for Cam or see if they could get a year or two out of Brady or Rivers at a reasonable price. But they traded for Foles instead.

Brady is going to TB.
Rivers is going INDY
Bridgewater is going to CAR
Tanehill cashed in.

Meanwhile no one is even spreading rumors about the guy who lead the league in passing yards or a former MVP.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 6:12:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hamiltbl2:

I learned in the past couple of days that NFL teams do some dumb things with QBs.

I thought the bears would make a move for Cam or see if they could get a year or two out of Brady or Rivers at a reasonable price. But they traded for Foles instead.

Brady is going to TB.
Rivers is going INDY
Bridgewater is going to CAR
Tanehill cashed in.

Meanwhile no one is even spreading rumors about the guy who lead the league in passing yards or a former MVP.
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This has certainly been an interesting few days...more WTF's than usual.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 6:14:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By huntsman2448:
This has certainly been an interesting few days...more WTF's than usual.
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Originally Posted By huntsman2448:
Originally Posted By Hamiltbl2:

I learned in the past couple of days that NFL teams do some dumb things with QBs.

I thought the bears would make a move for Cam or see if they could get a year or two out of Brady or Rivers at a reasonable price. But they traded for Foles instead.

Brady is going to TB.
Rivers is going INDY
Bridgewater is going to CAR
Tanehill cashed in.

Meanwhile no one is even spreading rumors about the guy who lead the league in passing yards or a former MVP.
This has certainly been an interesting few days...more WTF's than usual.
this corona getting to people, i keep saying this.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 6:23:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:

Finally I see my skins trending in the right direction.
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Shit, I just laughed/ snorted a pretzel into my nose ..
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 8:30:51 PM EST
looks like Clowny hasn't gotten the big offers he was hoping for.
Link Posted: 3/18/2020 11:59:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
i'm starting to wonder where the likes of Cam and Winston will play next season.
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As starters, I bet both are done. Their only hope in signing is to be a back-up QB, IMO. Newton is coming off of all sorts of serious injuries and a couple of surgeries. No one is going to bet the team on that sort of physical specimen, IMO.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:11:54 AM EST
Imagine telling Patriots fans 3 years ago that in 2020 Brady would be QB of the Bucs and Gronk would retire from the NFL and be involved with WWE.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:58:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
looks like Clowny hasn't gotten the big offers he was hoping for.
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He hasn't done anything to deserve the contract he wants.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 1:14:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer:
Imagine telling Patriots fans 3 years ago that in 2020 Brady would be QB of the Bucs and Gronk would retire from the NFL and be involved with WWE.
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one of my pat fan friends was completely indifferent to Brady leaving. I think some of the fans will be in for a rude awakening this season.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 1:15:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
He hasn't done anything to deserve the contract he wants.
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
looks like Clowny hasn't gotten the big offers he was hoping for.
He hasn't done anything to deserve the contract he wants.
well, he pretty much single handily won Seattle a play off game...
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 1:21:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
well, he pretty much single handily won Seattle a play off game...
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
looks like Clowny hasn't gotten the big offers he was hoping for.
He hasn't done anything to deserve the contract he wants.
well, he pretty much single handily won Seattle a play off game...
Another guy who's never lived up to the hype.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 1:23:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ludder093:

Another guy who's never lived up to the hype.
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lol... I'm not disagreeing with you.

but, that just means either the skins or dolphins will lock him up on a five year $100 mil deal.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 1:24:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:

lol... I'm not disagreeing with you.

but, that just means either the skins or dolphins will lock him up on a five year $100 mil deal.
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The Dolphins aren't signing him. They've already picked up 3 edge defenders.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 6:27:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
one of my pat fan friends was completely indifferent to Brady leaving. I think some of the fans will be in for a rude awakening this season.
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I never got to see him play (in person). Always thought he'd be there.

This Patriots fan will miss him and I hope he plays well in Tampa.

Think about how significant and rare it is for a guy so lacking in athleticism to be considered the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. He was the full-time starter for 18 seasons in New England...and played in 13 conference championships and nine Super Bowls. That's ridiculous.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 9:05:48 AM EST
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Eagles trade a 3rd and a 5th to the Lions for CB Darius Slay.  The Eagles then signed him to a $50M/3 year deal with $30M guaranteed.

The Dolphins overpaid for Jones, but at least in their deal that had them paying a non-shut down corner over $16M a season they didn’t have to give up multiple draft picks on top of that.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 9:08:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
I never got to see him play (in person). Always thought he'd be there.

This Patriots fan will miss him and I hope he plays well in Tampa.

Think about how significant and rare it is for a guy so lacking in athleticism to be considered the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. He was the full-time starter for 18 seasons in New England...and played in 13 conference championships and nine Super Bowls. That's ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
one of my pat fan friends was completely indifferent to Brady leaving. I think some of the fans will be in for a rude awakening this season.
I never got to see him play (in person). Always thought he'd be there.

This Patriots fan will miss him and I hope he plays well in Tampa.

Think about how significant and rare it is for a guy so lacking in athleticism to be considered the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. He was the full-time starter for 18 seasons in New England...and played in 13 conference championships and nine Super Bowls. That's ridiculous.
Save the “played in” stat for guys like Jim Kelly.
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LOL...nice!
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 9:48:50 AM EST
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Without specifics that doesn’t really mean much.  A high number of players want to play for ANY team.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 9:52:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
I never got to see him play (in person). Always thought he'd be there.

This Patriots fan will miss him and I hope he plays well in Tampa.

Think about how significant and rare it is for a guy so lacking in athleticism to be considered the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. He was the full-time starter for 18 seasons in New England...and played in 13 conference championships and nine Super Bowls. That's ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
one of my pat fan friends was completely indifferent to Brady leaving. I think some of the fans will be in for a rude awakening this season.
I never got to see him play (in person). Always thought he'd be there.

This Patriots fan will miss him and I hope he plays well in Tampa.

Think about how significant and rare it is for a guy so lacking in athleticism to be considered the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. He was the full-time starter for 18 seasons in New England...and played in 13 conference championships and nine Super Bowls. That's ridiculous.
How long were you planning to wait?
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 10:40:49 AM EST
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That wouldn't be a surprise. The Patriots have been a hot destination for players for years because of Tom Brady.  The Patsies are going to start having to pay players market value but they're in cap hell.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 11:19:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer:
Save the “played in” stat for guys like Jim Kelly.
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:
one of my pat fan friends was completely indifferent to Brady leaving. I think some of the fans will be in for a rude awakening this season.
I never got to see him play (in person). Always thought he'd be there.

This Patriots fan will miss him and I hope he plays well in Tampa.

Think about how significant and rare it is for a guy so lacking in athleticism to be considered the Greatest Quarterback of All Time. He was the full-time starter for 18 seasons in New England...and played in 13 conference championships and nine Super Bowls. That's ridiculous.
Save the “played in” stat for guys like Jim Kelly.
Personally, I think appearing in 13/18 possible conference championships is worth mentioning no matter who we're talking about.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 11:34:43 AM EST
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The Dolphins aren't signing him. They've already picked up 3 edge defenders.
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it was a joke at both our teams overpaying for d lineman.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:06:29 PM EST
So far, some teams have gotten a lot better, and some teams have gotten a LOT worse.

Graphic at link: https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1240642149441560580
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:17:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
So far, some teams have gotten a lot better, and some teams have gotten a LOT worse.

Graphic at link: https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1240642149441560580
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Looks accurate to me.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:33:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
So far, some teams have gotten a lot better, and some teams have gotten a LOT worse.

Graphic at link: https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1240642149441560580
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look at those skins keep trending in the right direction.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:40:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
So far, some teams have gotten a lot better, and some teams have gotten a LOT worse.

Graphic at link: https://twitter.com/KevinColePFF/status/1240642149441560580
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Neat graphic, worth reposting here

Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:43:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:

look at those skins keep trending in the right direction.
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Snyder is your teams issues.  He's all the worst qualities of Jerry Jones with none of the upsides.
Link Posted: 3/19/2020 12:53:06 PM EST
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Neat graphic, worth reposting here

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Looks very scientific...
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I'm not buying into anything positive about the Browns any more. Show me on the field next season and maybe I'll start to believe again.
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Originally Posted By bookertbab:
I'm not buying into anything positive about the Browns any more. Show me on the field next season and maybe I'll start to believe again.
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They have yuuuuge O line needs. Loaded with wepons, Baker has a lot of upside, solid defense, but they probably need to spend the first 3 picks on OL. Hopefully 2 of them turn into starters.
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