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Posted: 6/15/2007 1:19:57 PM EDT
At least in my neck of the woods, the sherrif will apologize when they screw up! I find it funny that they made several undercover buys at the house they wanted to raid, then accidently raid the house next door! |
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That's why you take the UC with you on the raid. Proper planning to include photos of the house to be hit. etc.
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Pay carefull attention here:
"Raiding the wrong house was a mistake, but it's one the task force has been learning from, Brown said. The mistake could have compromised the investigation and deputy safety. Had the true suspects learned of the raid, they could have disposed of the narcotics and armed themselves in anticipation of a raid." No mention of the possiblity of an innocent homeowner getting killed, shows what the priority is |
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Just bashing down the doors of little old ladies that the rest of Americans don't want to bash down.
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OK how many other little old ladies did they scare the crap out of? |
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You noticed that too? Not one word about possibly getting an innocent person injured or killed? It's only how it affects the Officers, not the peasants. |
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1: Cops drive to the pizza joint nearest 82 Hidden Lane .
2: Cops call pizza joint and order a pizza for 82 Hidden Lane. 3: Cops follow delivery boy. 4: Cops follow to the front door, pay for pizza, knock down door. 5: Cops eat pizza as they discuss the operation. |
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+1, Brown SHOULD have apologised and STFU about his officers safety as it was untimately HIS responsibility and judgement that was suspect. It's just not that damn hard to get the right address if someone has been there multiple time. And that someone SHOULD have gone on the raid with the team. |
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Is everyone in that town a tard? Cops bust in the wrong door after buying drugs from the one they were investigating, guy leads cops on a 4/10 of a mile chase? WTF?...this just sounds like an episode of Reno911.
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That's exactly what I was going to point out |
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Well as long as its rare, I guess were ok then. |
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Sorry, i should of added a smiley to convey my sarcasm better... I thought the link would be sufficient =P |
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There's zero point fucking zero accountability in government why should the police be any different?
At least the sherrif was a man and apologized to the lady instead of hiding behind his desk and attorneys like a pussy. |
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Heck, at least they hung around and helped her clean up the mess, and the Sheriff came and personally apolgized. Most of the time the team just splits and you get a form apology letter in the mail.
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My department has three things to do before we enter a house.....M/O(Marksmen/Observer) team on pre recon verifies address, Lt on shift verifies address, team leader verifies address......then they get to go in......if the three don't all verify the address no one goes in no one......if departments would implement a check system like this....it would stop a lot of these wrong address bull shit.....and if its a warrant raid they also have to verify the house with the Investigator and the LT together....on top of the other two verifying....
but I want to say this was implemented into our SOP thanks to ARFCOM...I approached our S.R.T. commander and made the suggestion...he thought it was a great idea...so hats off to you guys here on bringing this PROBLEM to my attention a few years ago... |
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Ya know, stuff like this makes my little heart glad. See a problem, find a solution, implement it and all sides [but the dopers] are happy. Cool. |
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That happened in the county i live in, not only did they hit the wrong residence, a reserve deputy was running in, stumbled on the bottom door facing of the trailor house doorway discharging his pistol, 99.9% sure it was a .40 Caliber Glock.
Its been about 8 -9yrs and i cant remember the details too good but im almost positive on that. The single bullet that was fired went into the end of a couch striking a young woman who was asleep in the top of the head killing her instantly. Her live in boyfriend who owned the residence was awarded 6 Million Dollars in damages. The deputy was facing charges of some kind, but im not sure what ever came of it. All one big clusterfuck Some of the LEO's out there may have heard about this, it made national news. |
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Nice first all the boring investigation,verification,and attention to detail stuff. And then all the exciting kicking doors and slapping whores. |
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That's outstanding. BRAVO ZULU to you! The only thing better than that would be, as Bama said, if the undercover who made the buys was required to confirm to the warrant squad/SWAT team that they had the right house. |
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That's fantastic. You ought to write up the procedures and circulate them nationally among LEO and D.E. groups. Really smart approach. If there's still going to be so much dynamic entry, its VERY good to have a system of checks and balances like this. Right on. |
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that is great to hear man, BZ to you for getting that implemented in your department |
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Very sad occurrence.
For those that have not served warrants, you might be surprised at how many homes do not display an address. This was a trailer park, and it is very common for there not to be addresses at trailer parks. That is why the search warrants we served, even way back in the day, included a very specific description of the home.....color of the paint, color of the roof, description of the type of structure, etc. Photos were taken, if possible to assure we had the correct home. If an informant was used, he was required to verify the correct address. I required my officers to not "tear up" the home in the search, as much as possible. It is not necessary to dump all the drawers on the floor, turn over beds, etc. We did a thorough, but not destructive search. Common sense can prevail, if you want it to. |
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I work on a military base as a civilian not many drug raids taking place.....but I am also a reserve on the local sheriff's dept I am trying to get them to do the same thing....I guess only time will tell ETA: in the off chance we do serve a drug warrant...as I stated before no the UC has to go with the LT....to ensure the address |
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so, who pays for the repairs to the old lady's home?
what happens when they crash a house and person opens fire cause it's a "home invasion"....and a cop gets killed? No Expert |
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Brilliant! |
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It can but trailer parks can be impossible... I have been working a case on some mexicans that live in a trailer park where you lease the trailer from one owner who owns most of the trailers in the park. None of the streets in the park have a name. Maybe one in ten of the trailers have any sort of number on them. There is a central mailbox...but no names on anything, just A, B, C, D, etc. The mailman has no idea who lives where. Just to make it fun, the residents all use false ID with stolen SSNs, names, etc so you can never really know who is who until you have them in custody and can print them and compare that to the ICE records. Tons of people standing around all day makes it right at impossible to drive around and look without being spotted. We are somewhat using Google Earth but even that has serious flaws because the streets aren't named. People forget...criminals go out of their way not to be found and that includes things like car tags, house #s, etc. |
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Hows about they take some of the seized money and buy a GPS? Hell buy two or three! I recommend the Garmin line. They also need to get a number line so they can tell an 8 from a 7
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In this particular context it's completely is understandable. 1st question that popped into my mind when I read this was, "How can anyone's address be distinguished in a trailer park?" I know tailers can be numbered, but depending on the particular park, it's not always going to be 100%. Where homes are concerned, however, I find wrong-address raids hard to accept. In many instances, such can be chopped up to brazen stupidity. I also do NOT like the cavalier, we-didn't-do-anything-wrong attitude some officers have protrayed in reported botched raids where innocent people have been shot & killed. There need to be checks & balances, & (criminal) consequences. If they're going to play w/ guns, then they must be held responsible (Same goes for me). The guilt-free passes need to end. |
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Ok FedDC, you make a very good point, and so does O_P. I think all of this could of been solved by having the UC agents verify the location they made the buy's from. But you are right, most trailer parks are like rat warrents... |
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but if they implemented a SOP similar to my departments it might have been avoided |
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Now that ladies and gentlemen is a no shit actual wrong address raid. That term gets tossed out alot when the cops have the right physical address but the person or contraband being searched for is not there. But in this case it really happened. The cops went to an address other than the one typed on the warrant.
The team aleader and his immediate suspervisior should both be fired. |
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So.... is anyone gonna say that it's her fault for not having her house address properly marked/illuminated/numbered?
No Expert |
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They did seriously screw up. I hope they at least went back and paid to fix anything they broke and offered to hire a maid service to clean up the house. Going through back doors can be strange....I once stood behind the wrong house when we were serving a warrant and I was on rear security. There were no fences and it was a row of townhomes...they all pretty much looked the same and I counted house to house based on the # of back doors. It would have worked but one had two back doors It wasn't a big deal, we didnt enter from the rear but I looked pretty dumb standing behind the wrong house These guys really do need to look at their SOP and make sure to bring the UC with them to point out the house. |
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+1000 A MONTH of preparation and then they screwed up??? They aren't earning their paycheck, are they? The sheriff apologized. Not enough. The guy that planned the raid should be fired. If I had an employee that put a customer in danger, I would fire him, and with good cause. |
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I guess they got tired of beating that dead horse |
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It's so simple it just might work |
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I have often wondered why that was necessary, to create as much damage as possible, then say, "Well, it's your fault, you should have been the people we were really looking for." Can't searches be made to be minimally destructive? If a cabinet is locked, couldn't you ask for a key before deciding to break the door off? And I cannot imagine what went through the head of the guy that handcuffed that old lady. Is that O2 on her? Could they not have simply had her sit down and had an officer watch her? |
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I used to be a pizza delivery dude and I gotta tell you there is house after house with no FUCKING ADDRESS and even streets with no signs. mIt's a pain in the ass and if you get lost the asshole custumer will want his free fucking pizza cause it's late. Well I wouldnt be late if you or any of your dumbfuck neighbors put an adreess on the front of your home! ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!
No fucking wonder cops go to wrong houses all the time! |
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Maybe they should invest in laser-targeting gear.
Forget shooting, JDAM that puppy. |
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The turds have started pulling the street signs in most neighborhoods to make things difficult for officers not familiar with the area.
The three check rule is outstanding. Very good Idea. I obtained a search warrant just a few months ago. Here, you have to damn near paint a picture for the District Attorneys office. The warrant described every pertinent detail about the location we were going to search. But along with that, officers remained on scene with eyes on the location. There was no mistaking it. |
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