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Posted: 4/20/2017 4:25:23 PM EDT
The U.S. Navy took the nuclear bomb part ("physics package" in weapons speak ....)  designed for the atomic round for this 11 inch cannon ....



... and designed a 16 inch nuclear round for the battleship cannons.  The W23 Projectile had a yield of 15 - 20 kilotons, making the Iowa class the undisputed champion for baddest battleship.  Only 50 were built.

Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:29:12 PM EDT
Atomic Annie gets her water wings. That was truly a "What were we thinking?" project.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:31:10 PM EDT
I imagine back then they thought we were going to be using nuclear weapons for all facets of war?
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:32:40 PM EDT
Imagine direct firing one into the hull of an enemy warship. (Arcing it over the horizon down onto and through the deck.)
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:32:40 PM EDT
Damn. Just the HE shells are pretty impressive.
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I wonder if they detonated on impact or up in the air. Guessing they had to hit something. That would have been a game changer back when you usually had to have a direct hit.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:36:15 PM EDT
Just better make sure they were far enough away!
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Not so much as the M-388 nuclear projectile. A true WTF were we thinking project.

Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:43:43 PM EDT
Until they make a nuclear hand grenade I am not impressed.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:45:19 PM EDT
Radiation for all of my friends
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:46:04 PM EDT
Davy Crockett?
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:46:51 PM EDT
You sank my battlefleet.
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Imagine a 9 gun salvo fired at an enemy fleet 25 miles away, set to detonate in the water  ....
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Not so much as the M-388 nuclear projectile. A true WTF were we thinking project.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/DavyCrockettBomb.jpg
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It is amazing and scary how close we got to Nuclear Winter a number of times.
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More like a summer....it sure would be warm!
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:00:12 PM EDT
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When a battleship isn't enough FUCK YOU!, then it's time to say Fuck You! with a nuke!

I think this is an idea with legs. Will a modern version fit a 155 or MLRS?
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That's what I was thinking. Probably launch the ship another 25 miles.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:03:10 PM EDT
Pfffttt.

Galacitca BS-75 had them eons ago.
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Well.... you sure as fuck wouldn't be doing any ASW in that area for a long time.
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It is amazing and scary how close we got to Nuclear Winter a number of times.
On October 24th, 1962, then-Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev told the president of Westinghouse that he didn’t want a nuclear war over Cuba. But if it happened, Guantanamo naval base there would “disappear the first day” after a U.S. invasion of the island.

"At the time, Khrushchev’s threat seemed like empty bluster," the National Security Archive notes.
What Kennedy did not know was that the Soviets had deployed nuclear cruise missiles to Cuba, armed with 14-kiloton warheads, roughly the power of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima."

At about the time that Khrushchev was speaking with [the Westinghouse executive], a convoy of FKR cruise missiles was moving from Mayari Arriba to a pre-launch position at the village of Vilorio. (See map below.) On the night of October 26-27, at the height of the missile crisis, the convoy was ordered to the launch position the village of
Filipinas, 15 miles from Guantanamo naval base…

[This was on the same day] that the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended an all-out U.S.
invasion of Cuba to destroy the Soviet missile bases. President Kennedy rejected the advice of his military advisers in favor of a diplomatic solution to the crisis that included a secret understanding between his brother and the Soviet ambassador.


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There were 155mm nuclear rounds, yes.

The Soviets had them as well. The concern about a "suitcase nuke" is the feasibility of using the physics package from the 155-size artillery projectiles in a container to make a man-portable weapon.
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A direct hit on the Yamato or Bismark would've been impressive.
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Imagine direct firing one into the hull of an enemy warship. (Arcing it over the horizon down onto and through the deck.)
Imagine a 9 gun salvo fired at an enemy fleet 25 miles away, set to detonate in the water  ....
When a battleship isn't enough FUCK YOU!, then it's time to say Fuck You! with a nuke!

I think this is an idea with legs. Will a modern version fit a 155 or MLRS?
Already been done.  155mm M454 AFAP.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:16:05 PM EDT
Perfect for Korea!
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:18:36 PM EDT
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It probably was the mind set of "If we can, why not?" And have some for a rainy day.

I mean if nuclear Armageddon is already happening who cares if your using sub MT yield warheads on a tactical level?
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:20:32 PM EDT
So open a time portal and send them to the WWII US Military w/ instructions on use?
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:21:35 PM EDT
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They were thinking that they were going to blow the fuck out of some commies.
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The U.S. Navy took the nuclear bomb part ("physics package" in weapons speak ....)  designed for the atomic round for this 11 inch cannon ....

http://www.burnpit.us/sites/burnpit/files/atomic_annie02.jpg

... and designed a 16 inch nuclear round for the battleship cannons.  The W23 Projectile had a yield of 15 - 20 kilotons, making the Iowa class the undisputed champion for baddest battleship.  Only 50 were built.

http://www.kbismarck.org/photos/mk23.jpg
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One of the barrels is still sitting on the NTTR.
37°47'11.3"N 116°45'18.2"W
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:22:27 PM EDT
My, Gob.  Can you imagine a nuclear naval exchange?

I'd love to see it imagined on film.  A "what-if" alternative history WWII movie would be cool.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:22:47 PM EDT
The Air Force had the Genie air to air missile.  The idea was to obliterate bomber fleets.



A live one was fired, once.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:25:37 PM EDT
Didn't they have a nuclear anti sub rocket too?
AZROC?

I'm pretty sure the army had 8" rounds too.
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Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:32:25 PM EDT
Subroc FTW, awwww fuck it, D-5 FTW.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:34:56 PM EDT
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That would have made that whole shore bombardment situation a bit easier to plan out.

"Go ahead and put the next one right there on top of Mount Suribachi......oh, and cancel the flag raising ceremony."
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Perfect for Korea!
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Not so much as the M-388 nuclear projectile. A true WTF were we thinking project.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/DavyCrockettBomb.jpg
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Atomic Annie gets her water wings. That was truly a "What were we thinking?" project.
Not so much as the M-388 nuclear projectile. A true WTF were we thinking project.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/DavyCrockettBomb.jpg
bring it all to the fight,  
or  
Avoid the fight,



look what  years of letting the enemy know we are going to hit location A at 0030 has given us  ?  

unending war  

shit didnt we even  advance notice the folks we dropped the MOAB on ?  



what did two  bombs do for us in Japan?  


their "WTF were they thinking moments "
saved many lives by simply  avoiding the fight .
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:37:34 PM EDT
The 8 inch gun has a nuclear capability. The round is assembled just before it is rammed into the breach.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 5:38:25 PM EDT
They made those and they didn't do a full broad side of that?

that would be the coolest thing.
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The Air Force had the Genie air to air missile.  The idea was to obliterate bomber fleets.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Convair_F-106A_Delta_Dart_1.jpg

A live one was fired, once.
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That is a gorgeous picture.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:27:30 PM EDT
Super Gun
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NINE of these going off in the enemy fleet.  BTW - that black thing on the right in the water column?  That's the battleship USS Arkansas ....

Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:33:32 PM EDT
pffft... so did med range 155mm cannons also called the W48,  later round was the XM785 or W84 I remember the TFTs for the damm thing.

Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:34:00 PM EDT
I don't think artillery lobs projectiles far enough away for me to be comfortable with 15 kilotons of canned sunshine going off on the other end.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:34:32 PM EDT
I think project Pluto was the craziest nuclear weapon idea but we had plenty of them.

Project Pluto
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:36:55 PM EDT
Battleship rounds are impressive.  Here's a magazine you can walk through on the USS Massachusetts.  

They had an overhead rail system to transfer rounds between turrets incase any particular turret ran out.

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That made me lol
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There is a study on one. Google it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 6:39:18 PM EDT
Only 50 made?

Group buy?
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It probably was the mind set of "If we can, why not?" And have some for a rainy day.

I mean if nuclear Armageddon is already happening who cares if your using sub MT yield warheads on a tactical level?
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Using a portable nuke to clear out underground bunkers would be wonderful.
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