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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:47:40 AM EST
The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.

I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:49:00 AM EST
[#1]
Quoted:
The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.

I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.


You shut up and let the FSA have their healthcare, you racist gun loving, bible reading red neck ! fall in line comrade
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:49:22 AM EST
[#2]
You thought it was expensive before?  Wait until it's free.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:50:36 AM EST
[#3]
BUT EUROPE DOES IT SO SHOULD WE DONT YOU CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!????
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:51:05 AM EST
[#4]



Quoted:


The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.



I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.



Or Obama's absurd lies that Obamacare would not increase the deficit "by one dime" because of all the savings realized by the super-efficient new government program.



The lies were so outrageous and laughable I thought even low-information people would see through the bullshit.  I guess not.  We're so fucked.






 
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:51:32 AM EST
[#5]
They ruined it for the rest of us you know too.

My insurance isn't great, it is a safety net for incase something really bad happens, but doesn't do much to cover the small stuff.

Paying cash for checkups or physicals used to be pretty cheap, now it isn't. So I either get to pay more cash, or attempt to claim it and make our safety net less effective for us.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:53:37 AM EST
[#6]
Of course better insurance, better physicians, and better facilities are going to cost more!!!

Oh wait, this style of system ruins nice things.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:53:46 AM EST
[#7]



Quoted:


The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.



I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.


That's because you're just some stupid racist who bitterly clings to your antiquated superstitions.



 
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:55:30 AM EST
[#8]

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 10:58:38 AM EST
[#9]
It's OK, take solace that all the illegal aliens and deadbeats thank you for paying extra for them.......
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:00:29 AM EST
[#10]
Shut up and for that free shit, peasant.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:02:34 AM EST
[#11]
Quoted:
[snip]
I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.


I am likewise baffled as to the former.  As to the latter, you know the reason:  political cowardice.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_switch_in_time_that_saved_nine
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:04:54 AM EST
[#12]
I'm sorry for your troubles.

If it makes any difference, the guy who sleeps outside my building has been keeping me up for weeks with that crack smoker cough of his.

Thanks to President Obl*wme and his nifty healthcare, my junkie alleymate can breathe free and I can sleep well.

Try to keep your priorities straight.

THE GREATER GOOD.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:05:12 AM EST
[#13]
Preaching to the choir. I've been without since I got a divorce. I got this crappy discount plan, that pays a flat fee if you get xyz, kinda like aflac, but I have to pay everything up front. Found out during my last visit, after they ran my bloodwork and ekg, that they no longer accept my plan.

Then they wanted to send me to a specialist for a stress test just to make sure nothing was wrong. I had made the appointment, until I found out they dropped the coverage, then canceled. This was two months ago, still waiting on the actual bill to get sorted out.

Since my divorce, I don't have any assets in my name, not even my car, so fuck BHO if I die. You ain't getting shit in death taxes, you gotta send FSA checks to my kids till they turn 18, and you ain't getting any more taxes outta my paychecks.

Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:07:50 AM EST
[#14]
I got to stop reading threads like this or else my blood pressure is going to stay high!
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:21:10 AM EST
[#15]
Just think how bad it would be if OsamaCare was actually full on universal health care. I do not want to even think of what might happen if legislation evolved to become that.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 11:21:12 AM EST
[#16]
Quoted:
The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.

I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.


Is this true? The few times i've went to hospitals for my back problems, I got double billed for quite a few things and billed for tests we talked about doing but didn't actually do.

Just my isolated case?
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 12:12:31 PM EST
[#17]
Quoted:

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.


You mean lazy?
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 2:57:53 PM EST
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.


You mean lazy?


They were already getting free care.  Now we are going to be paying for the next tier up.

We are going to end up with single payer, it is just a matter if what that means and how much it costs.

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Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:09:55 PM EST
[#19]
Congrats OP, you just contributed to shaqua's 5th baby fees... She will be ready even sooner now for lil ray ray #6.

Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:12:09 PM EST
[#20]
Quoted:

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.


And .gov needs to get it's cut.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:17:18 PM EST
[#21]
Don't say anything or that doctor might turn you in and you will be put on the list of people who can't buy firearms.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:26:00 PM EST
[#22]
I am a neuroradiologist and pain management physician.

Often, we are asked to do more than one scan or procedure in a day.

The new laws state that if we do more than one thing in a day, the second thing must be billed at a severe (>50%) discount.

Therefore...

We are no longer doing more than one thing in a day on any patient. If you need both your cervical (neck) and Lumbar (low back) looked at because you were in an accident and have pain... plan on 2 separate visits from now on. I still have to pay my office staff... you still take the same amount of time in the scanner... my computer still has to run your data... I still have to read it... and I still have the same liability for that read and everything that occurs during your visit.

Now... think about all the times you go to the doctor for a 'cough'... and say... "BTW... my knee really has been hurting lately." He will be glad to say, "Sure... we will look at that when you schedule your next visit."

Gotta love progress.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:28:21 PM EST
[#23]
Quoted:

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.


Please correct me if I'm wrong here but they were already getting it for free.
Now under odumbfuck care they will be forced to purchase it or be taxed making them poorer.
Is that right or am I way off base here?
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:30:24 PM EST
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.


Please correct me if I'm wrong here but they were already getting it for free.
Now under odumbfuck care they will be forced to purchase it or be taxed making them poorer.
Is that right or am I way off base here?


See... now they aren't GETTING it free... the .gov ie US... are SUBSIDIZING their insurance. IT is a WHOLE WORLD DIFFERENT than them just not paying for it... DEY GOTS da INsuraNcE nowwa!
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:30:44 PM EST
[#25]
One of our FSA gunclub member called me last friday, from the shot show
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:30:47 PM EST
[#26]
Quoted:
I am a neuroradiologist and pain management physician.

Often, we are asked to do more than one scan or procedure in a day.

The new laws state that if we do more than one thing in a day, the second thing must be billed at a severe (>50%) discount.

Therefore...

We are no longer doing more than one thing in a day on any patient. If you need both your cervical (neck) and Lumbar (low back) looked at because you were in an accident and have pain... plan on 2 separate visits from now on. I still have to pay my office staff... you still take the same amount of time in the scanner... my computer still has to run your data... I still have to read it... and I still have the same liability for that read and everything that occurs during your visit.

Now... think about all the times you go to the doctor for a 'cough'... and say... "BTW... my knee really has been hurting lately." He will be glad to say, "Sure... we will look at that when you schedule your next visit."

Gotta love progress.


Had almost the same conversation today at my wife's office.  People really don't realize how fucked up all of this shit is going to be.  
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:31:40 PM EST
[#27]
Quoted:
Just think how bad it would be if OsamaCare was actually full on universal health care. I do not want to even think of what might happen if legislation evolved to become that.





Give him time, he does have four more years to get it done.

Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:33:13 PM EST
[#28]
Quoted:
The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.

I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.


Sounds more like the unaffordable care act. God I hope this gets repealed when we get a new president. What a fucking scam!
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:33:14 PM EST
[#29]
Quoted:
BUT EUROPE DOES IT SO SHOULD WE DONT YOU CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!????


Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:34:22 PM EST
[#31]
Quoted:
I am a neuroradiologist and pain management physician.

Often, we are asked to do more than one scan or procedure in a day.

The new laws state that if we do more than one thing in a day, the second thing must be billed at a severe (>50%) discount.

Therefore...

We are no longer doing more than one thing in a day on any patient. If you need both your cervical (neck) and Lumbar (low back) looked at because you were in an accident and have pain... plan on 2 separate visits from now on. I still have to pay my office staff... you still take the same amount of time in the scanner... my computer still has to run your data... I still have to read it... and I still have the same liability for that read and everything that occurs during your visit.

Now... think about all the times you go to the doctor for a 'cough'... and say... "BTW... my knee really has been hurting lately." He will be glad to say, "Sure... we will look at that when you schedule your next visit."

Gotta love progress.


Damn so the poor bastard who goes and see the Dr for a mysterious rash and the clap is going to have to make a Sofies choice kind of decision.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:38:30 PM EST
[#32]
My agent called, my high deductible HSA isn't good enough for Øbamacare, thus I get to purchase a much higher priced policy and I can't deduct $7,500,  the amount I put in my HSA account for the year, from my pre tax income.  Thus I also get to pay more in taxes with no benefit for me, since I work for a living.  

FBHØ
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:38:34 PM EST
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Who cares, as long as the poor get it free.


Please correct me if I'm wrong here but they were already getting it for free.
Now under odumbfuck care they will be forced to purchase it or be taxed making them poorer.
Is that right or am I way off base here?


See... now they aren't GETTING it free... the .gov ie US... are SUBSIDIZING their insurance. IT is a WHOLE WORLD DIFFERENT than them just not paying for it... DEY GOTS da INsuraNcE nowwa!


This is true, we are basically subsidizing it now instead of the gov. Obamacare is the biggest false fucking thing EVER. My girlfriend has MS and lost her job because of it but SHE CANT get health insurance while all the fucking FSA walk around with free phones, Gucci bags, NEW benz, live in swanky section 8 houses, food stamps, fucking bullshit. Makes me sick.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:38:40 PM EST
[#34]
Quoted:
I am a neuroradiologist and pain management physician.

Often, we are asked to do more than one scan or procedure in a day.

The new laws state that if we do more than one thing in a day, the second thing must be billed at a severe (>50%) discount.

Therefore...

We are no longer doing more than one thing in a day on any patient. If you need both your cervical (neck) and Lumbar (low back) looked at because you were in an accident and have pain... plan on 2 separate visits from now on. I still have to pay my office staff... you still take the same amount of time in the scanner... my computer still has to run your data... I still have to read it... and I still have the same liability for that read and everything that occurs during your visit.

Now... think about all the times you go to the doctor for a 'cough'... and say... "BTW... my knee really has been hurting lately." He will be glad to say, "Sure... we will look at that when you schedule your next visit."

Gotta love progress.


This must be what my father is alluding to, concerning my mom.  She has some pretty serious medical issues right now, and he was mentioning that they have to make multiple trips to the doctor these next few weeks (70 miles one way).  She will be having some procedures done, and he said his out-of-pocket for it is going to be right about $6,000, whereas last year it was about 1/4 of that.  And last year, it was more than 1 procedure each visit.

Needless to say, he is NOT a happy man.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:42:32 PM EST
[#35]
FBO
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:47:30 PM EST
[#36]
So explain to me again HOW the working middle class is going to benefit and HOW hes helping the middle class?  3 weeks into his 2nd term and our checks are $50 less than they were last year....FBHO
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 3:53:32 PM EST
[#37]
I've said it before and I'm saying it again. Obamacare is the end of a free country. We are all socialists now. When they have control of healthcare, they have control of your body, I.E. control of you! Guns are the last real nail in freedoms coffin.
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 4:02:25 PM EST
[#38]
i am struggling on how RAISING taxes on medical equipment save people healthcare money....
turns out its not at all about saving money...its about sticvking it to working folk to just pay for FSA... (ahem.. BUYING VOTES)
Link Posted: 1/21/2013 4:52:22 PM EST
[#39]
I really wish health sharing ministries would become more common.

Link Posted: 1/21/2013 5:08:42 PM EST
[#40]
Quoted:
i am struggling on how RAISING taxes on medical equipment save people healthcare money....
turns out its not at all about saving money...its about sticvking it to working folk to just pay for FSA... (ahem.. BUYING VOTES)


When it all boils down and the smoke clears THIS is the reason behind it all.

Link Posted: 1/21/2013 6:53:41 PM EST
[#41]
Its completely idiotic.

If you have TOO GOOD of healthcare... ie the Cadillac plans... you get taxed.

If you have TOO BAD of healthcare... you get taxed.

If you have and HSA... you can't put money into it... because that money doesn't generate taxes and therefore cannot give to the FSA.

Basically... if you live and breath in America... you can be taxed for it. Make sure you thank John Roberts Supreme Court Justice of Lunacy... because HE is the real cause of all this shit. His idiocy in interpreting a PENALTY as a 'living tax' is what made this all possible.

The only good thing is that SwHTF in the next 2 years concerning medical care... and the Midterms will be ripe for turnover if the Republicans don't put in a bunch of Monkey Trap Fucks who can't let go of Abortion as their main reason for living.

You haven't seen ANYTHING yet... concerning what you thought you knew about healthcare. You are going to 'remember the good old days....' when you could pay through the nose... but actually get care.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 2:54:43 AM EST
[#42]
Quoted:
Quoted:
i am struggling on how RAISING taxes on medical equipment save people healthcare money....
turns out its not at all about saving money...its about sticvking it to working folk to just pay for FSA... (ahem.. BUYING VOTES)


When it all boils down and the smoke clears THIS is the reason behind it all.



it's about buying votes, and setting us up for the next move, which is to single payer.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:15:11 AM EST
[#43]



Quoted:


The Affordable Care Act []   has begun to take effect. I went to the doctor today. He's out of my insurance plan, so I have paid $85 per visit. Today, the fee was $160. The doctor said that it's due to Obamacare. They have new procedure codes, and because Obamacare presumes that doctors have been overbilling (when in fact they generally underbill), everyone is now billing for every service provided, presumably to establish a baseline fee structure they can live with.



I am still baffled by the claim that insuring 100% of the population will be cheaper than insuring 85%. I am more baffled by the idea that health care is a federal responsibility under the Constitution.


It has nothing to do with that. It is all about control and using health care to help

 
bring that about. Nothing else matters, but control.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:18:49 AM EST
[#44]
Quoted:


My insurance isn't great, it is a safety net for incase something really bad happens, but doesn't do much to cover the small stuff.



So in other words, you have actual insurance. Pooled risk for low probability/high cost events. And it doesn't pay for routine things, in much the same way that your auto insurance doesn't pay for oil changes.

Amazing ... you must work for wizards or something.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:29:56 AM EST
[#45]
My girlfriend's medication quadrupled in price this month.

Fuck Obama.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:36:10 AM EST
[#46]
Quoted:
So explain to me again HOW the working middle class is going to benefit and HOW hes helping the middle class?  3 weeks into his 2nd term and our checks are $50 less than they were last year....FBHO


It won't help you or me. We are getting shafted.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:37:56 AM EST
[#47]
Quoted:
Its completely idiotic.

If you have TOO GOOD of healthcare... ie the Cadillac plans... you get taxed.

If you have TOO BAD of healthcare... you get taxed.

If you have and HSA... you can't put money into it... because that money doesn't generate taxes and therefore cannot give to the FSA.

Basically... if you live and breath in America... you can be taxed for it. Make sure you thank John Roberts Supreme Court Justice of Lunacy... because HE is the real cause of all this shit. His idiocy in interpreting a PENALTY as a 'living tax' is what made this all possible.

The only good thing is that SwHTF in the next 2 years concerning medical care... and the Midterms will be ripe for turnover if the Republicans don't put in a bunch of Monkey Trap Fucks who can't let go of Abortion as their main reason for living.

You haven't seen ANYTHING yet... concerning what you thought you knew about healthcare. You are going to 'remember the good old days....' when you could pay through the nose... but actually get care.


No the Dems and Obama deserve the blame for passing this. Roberts gets the blame for allowing it.

Link Posted: 1/22/2013 3:49:30 AM EST
[#48]
I have two words got you...wealth redistribution.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 5:58:02 AM EST
[#49]
Quoted:
My girlfriend's medication quadrupled in price this month.

Fuck Obama.



Mine almost doubled from $425 to $735.
Link Posted: 1/22/2013 6:04:45 AM EST
[#50]
Quoted:
BUT EUROPE DOES IT SO SHOULD WE DONT YOU CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!????


I remember "we should have a system like Europe" and then what they passed is nothing like Europe.  They really don't like to be reminded of that, which is pretty entertaining when you get the chance.
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