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Posted: 6/21/2016 9:54:59 AM EST
I've heard this from several sources, that the CVE has rules/guidance that protects islamic groups from scrutiny while focusing more on other domestic vaguely-militant groups.  Haven't seen the primary sources.  I know a lot of us (myself included) would like this to be true, but what are the facts?  Did these facts come from an uber right-wing paper?  Explain for me please.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 9:56:57 AM EST
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It's simple; you're government has chosen a side, it's not yours.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:00:16 AM EST
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Lol.  I mean explain the details.  What's the report?  Who wrote it?  Is it codified in law?  Did Obama give the instruction personally or was it some incompetent bureaucrat?  Looking for external sources, and an explanation of how it came to be.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:02:05 AM EST
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Ask Paul Ryan, or someone in his office.  He wants to continue funding to the committee.   So it must be good?

And don't people have access to web search utilities like Bing (not google)?
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:05:19 AM EST
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Lol.  I mean explain the details.  What's the report?  Who wrote it? Is it codified in law?  Did Obama give the instruction personally or was it some incompetent bureaucrat?  Looking for external sources, and an explanation of how it came to be.
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Lol.  I mean explain the details.  What's the report?  Who wrote it? Is it codified in law?  Did Obama give the instruction personally or was it some incompetent bureaucrat?  Looking for external sources, and an explanation of how it came to be.



doesn't work that way.

as the chief executive, he can direct executive branch agencies and put initiatives in place. He can direct their focus - all within his Constitutional powers. He cannot make laws, but he can do executive orders that are pretty damn close.
He has probably overstepped his authority, but nobody is challenging him on it - he'll be long gone before any challenge sees a courtroom.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:07:45 AM EST
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Short and to the point. Yet completely accurate.

Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:09:46 AM EST
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Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:11:44 AM EST
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Obama has an affinity for Islam, a reporter even said it yesterday on Fox.
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Obama has said so - in one of his books, he said he would stand with Islam.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:31:14 AM EST
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Here is the enemy's perspective.

https://www.muslimadvocates.org/cve-countering-violent-extremism/

The government has maintained this focus on Muslims even though incidents of extremist violence in the United States attributable to them comprise only a small fraction of those carried out.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-obama-idUSKBN0LM2B920150218

The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:42:26 AM EST
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Google Neville Chamberlain.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:48:10 AM EST
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Escort carriers?
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:51:10 AM EST
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The perpetrators are innocent and the innocent are perpetrators.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 10:57:51 AM EST
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To point out that Islam is about group supremacy is racist. Sexist. Cisgenderist.



Progressivism is about group identity membership.

Islam is about group identity membership.

Progressivism is about authoritarianism and conformity.

Islam is about authoritarianism and conformity.

Progressivism is about one-truths. no room for dissent.

Islam is about one-thruths. no room for dissent.

Progressivism is about scapegoating.

Islam is about scapegoating.




CVE is about the taqqiya. Just like Progressivism.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 12:09:47 PM EST
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I came here for cool pics of Escort Carriers....
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 12:14:33 PM EST
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The government is bringing in terrorist and ignoring terror activity with the goal of restricting civil rights and freedom . In the end the American Government with both parties at the helm will make Stalin look like the JV team.





Civilian deaths are acceptable in this operation and there will be no punishments for them . Look at Fast and Furious as an example . It was political goal (gun control) driven and killed well over 300 people . It has been forgotten by everyone.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 12:21:16 PM EST
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This is all well and good everyone, but I'm not seeing much for sources.  I'm starting to think that this was written up by a right wing propaganda mill.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.
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This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 1:35:48 PM EST
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Equalizing the suffering from terror.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.


This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.


Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building.  We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.
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Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building.  We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.


This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.


Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building.  We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.


Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info.  I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.
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Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info.  I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.


This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.


Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building.  We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.


Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info.  I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.


OTOH the strategy led the FBI to Omar 3 times and they claim he had to be removed from the list...but aren't explaining EXACTLY why.  Is there some time guidelines that are secret or is it manpower?  I don't know.  Then you just have to ask why we NEED muslim immigrants.  We could import all the Hindu tech workers and be better off.IMHO.
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OTOH the strategy led the FBI to Omar 3 times and they claim he had to be removed from the list...but aren't explaining EXACTLY why.  Is there some time guidelines that are secret or is it manpower?  I don't know.  Then you just have to ask why we NEED muslim immigrants.  We could import all the Hindu tech workers and be better off.IMHO.

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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.




This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.




Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building.  We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.





Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info.  I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.




OTOH the strategy led the FBI to Omar 3 times and they claim he had to be removed from the list...but aren't explaining EXACTLY why.  Is there some time guidelines that are secret or is it manpower?  I don't know.  Then you just have to ask why we NEED muslim immigrants.  We could import all the Hindu tech workers and be better off.IMHO.

The people reporting Mateen were racist. End of story.

 
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Disappointing thread.
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Disappointing thread.
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This. Taffy 3 needs to hijack and save this thread.
Link Posted: 6/21/2016 4:04:03 PM EST
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Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info. I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.




This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.




Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building. We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.





Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info. I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.




Assimilation is a pipe dream.





And how's this fabulous strategy working out for:





Orlando


San Bernadino


Ft. Hood


Boston Marathon


and others?


















 

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Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info.  I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.


This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.


Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building.  We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.


Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info.  I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.


As with most liberal policies, it's not a bad idea IN THEORY...but it's success hinges on the principal that those in the Muslim community with have a stronger connection with the US government than with radicalized elements of their own religion.  This is why the administration is so reluctant to ever link these terrorist acts to that religion and goes out of it's way to chastise any effort to do so.  They've gone all in with this strategy and as a sign of that "all in" the executive has limited the ability of law enforcement to independently and rigorously investigate suspects without the assistance of the Muslim community.
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This. Taffy 3 needs to hijack and save this thread.
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Samar was the island where my Uncle's B-24 crashed....

http://www.b24bestweb.com/horriblemonster-the4.htm



Horrible Monster.
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The concept is "be nice to muslims, and do not castigate Islam for the acts of extremists". The theory is we need muslims to do the work of socializing their bad boys and girls.  And we are not at war with ISLAM..avoid any generalizations of that sort.




This link implies that the feds are spending more time and effort working with islamic groups and tracking islamic threats.




Did you discover what you wanted to know?  It's difficult to know if the strategy is working.  Sen. McCain was critical, maybe he could tell you why.  This seems like another version of nation building. We have to help a difficult culture assimilate, one that maybe will not.  Good luck.





Looking objectively at the program, it seems like it's a combination of focused observation on islamic communities coupled with attempts to bring the leaders in on our side and police themselves and feed us info. I don't think that's a bad strategy.  Some around here make it sound like Obama is instructing investigators to ignore islamic groups and instead target non-muslim groups that are less prone to violence.






Assimilation is a pipe dream.
And how's this fabulous strategy working out for:
Orlando





San Bernadino





Ft. Hood





Boston Marathon





and others?






 





Assimilation is ok.

 
When the government is reactive to the request.

Properly vets the requests.

Allows in those who want to actually assimilate.




This Progressive government approach is different

This is proactive attempt to change the voting landscape.

To change the nature of government by flooding the system with people hostile to it.
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