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Posted: 12/27/2012 10:29:22 AM EDT
DRUDGE reported that Obama has sent a proposal to the senate for the fiscal cliff.

I hate speculative posts like this... But the timing just struck a nerve with me.
(I know...AWB post number 1785462)

This proposal comes right after Fienstien came out with her AWB proposal.
Is there any chance Obamas proposal could include any gun legislation like magazine bans...or even Fienstien's bill as a rider?

In other words, telling the Republicans he will fold on the upper income tax level, if they agree to his gun control proposals?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:31:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By madmedic:
DRUDGE reported that Obama has sent a proposal to the senate for the fiscal cliff.

I hate speculative posts like this... But the timing just struck a nerve with me.
(I know...AWB post number 1785462)

This proposal comes right after Fienstien came out with her AWB proposal.
Is there any chance Obamas proposal could include any gun legislation like magazine bans...or even Fienstien's bill as a rider?

In other words, telling the Republicans he will fold on the upper income tax level, if they agree to his gun control proposals?


Plausible, but doubt the tea partiers in the house would vote in the affirmative

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:33:48 AM EDT
The hard core Tea Party crowd isn't as worried about going off the "cliff" as 100% of the Dems.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:12 AM EDT
i'm sure the obama fiscal cliff plan will be a joke, calling for moar taxes and spending. won't be a serious counter proposal. and won't be considered by the house.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:35:52 AM EDT
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:38:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:40:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:44:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:45:04 AM EDT
I think there would be some provision for raising the debt ceiling and it wouldn't surprise me if there was some gun grabbing crap in there as well.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:48:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.


It's coming one way or another. We're only postponing the inevitable. I'm tired of the silly fucking posturing in Washington. I surely wish nothing bad would ever happen to anyone, but this country is fucked up like a football bat right now and a major correction is coming....I say let's go already.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:53:29 AM EDT
Isn't this stuff supposed to originate in the House, or has that gone by the wayside also?
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:53:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.

Everybody should have watched that before voting. It might not have been 100% accurate but even if it was only half true , it explains alot and scares the ship out of me. I truly believe that he wants to bankrupt the country so that we will be done as a colonial power and to "level the playing field" He believes in class warfare and is making sure that the underclass will be the winners.

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:54:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bruzz123:
i'm sure the obama fiscal cliff plan will be a joke, calling for moar taxes and spending. won't be a serious counter proposal. and won't be considered by the house.

his last proposal increased spending by 55%
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:54:41 AM EDT
We need to go over the cliff.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:55:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.


It's coming one way or another. We're only postponing the inevitable. I'm tired of the silly fucking posturing in Washington. I surely wish nothing bad would ever happen to anyone, but this country is fucked up like a football bat right now and a major correction is coming....I say let's go already.



I'm with Ventilator on this one. I don't think there's any way to recover from where this country has ended up. I say the entire country needs to collapse and we have to rebuild from the ashes. It'll suck, but I'm afraid that's where we've ended up.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:55:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 338winmag:
Isn't this stuff supposed to originate in the House, or has that gone by the wayside also?


A very similar question was asked about Obamacare.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:57:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2012 10:58:34 AM EDT by Shakes525]
The cliff is a joke. Everyone needs to put on their big boy pants and realize it's all just drama and they're making us all look like fools.

They'll come back in January and pass something that's retroactive and screw all us all sideways... and the people will probably fawn over them talking about how it was a feat of bipartisanship... Makes me ill watching this crap on the news.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 10:59:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Originally Posted By 338winmag:
Isn't this stuff supposed to originate in the House, or has that gone by the wayside also?


A very similar question was asked about Obamacare.


From what I understand they basterized a house bill that had nothing to do with it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:18:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.


I hope it never comes, but if it is coming, let it be while we still have the means to defend hearth and home. The longer it drags on the larger the FSA gets. Then disarm the "Rich" and it will be 1917 Russia all over again. The problem is their definition of "Rich" is anyone who has something they want for free.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 11:36:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.


I hope it never comes, but if it is coming, let it be while we still have the means to defend hearth and home. The longer it drags on the larger the FSA gets. Then disarm the "Rich" and it will be 1917 Russia all over again. The problem is their definition of "Rich" is anyone who has something they want for free.


Read up on the kulaks in the Soviet Union.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:23:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
i'm sure the obama fiscal cliff plan will be a joke, calling for moar taxes and spending. won't be a serious counter proposal. and won't be considered by the house.


This, as Dear Leader does not understand the finaical hole he has dug the country into. He is the first president to come from the "everyone gets a torphy" generation and he does not understand that there are loosers and winners. He thinks every time it is a win/win.He has never paid for things himself, he has always had his typical white person Grandmother or forgien student grants pay his way.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:27:51 AM EDT
Obama is not going to get out in front of his own 'blue ribbon panel'. It would be retarded and disrespectful to his vice president. There is a reason he commissioned a panel you know.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:35:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


You act as if the current political climate is going to allow us to start over in anything but DESPOTISM.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:37:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


Yes. This: right there with you brother.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:51:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By worker:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


Yes. This: right there with you brother.



Don't hope for collapse. This mindset promotes apathy and defers action/responsibility to a later date. And just what do you think will rise from the ashes? The constitutional republic that our Founders envisioned? Get real.

The "burn it all down" strategy is THEIR strategy. They've been planning it for decades, and now is their time. It's happening. Cloward Piven, google it.

Society will be rebuilt, but it will be the utopian socialist society that THEY envision. There's no room for US in that new world. What do you think will happen to us when they begin building that utopia? The 20th century has 60 million examples.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:54:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sleepy1988:
Originally Posted By ztug:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.


I hope it never comes, but if it is coming, let it be while we still have the means to defend hearth and home. The longer it drags on the larger the FSA gets. Then disarm the "Rich" and it will be 1917 Russia all over again. The problem is their definition of "Rich" is anyone who has something they want for free.


Read up on the kulaks in the Soviet Union.


My money says the "kulaks" didn`t own AR15`s.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:58:03 AM EDT
It is almost like our government works with the media to produce the largest "reality TV" program yet.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:00:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By madmedic:
DRUDGE reported that Obama has sent a proposal to the senate for the fiscal cliff.

I hate speculative posts like this... But the timing just struck a nerve with me.
(I know...AWB post number 1785462)

This proposal comes right after Fienstien came out with her AWB proposal.
Is there any chance Obamas proposal could include any gun legislation like magazine bans...or even Fienstien's bill as a rider?

In other words, telling the Republicans he will fold on the upper income tax level, if they agree to his gun control proposals?

If he does he is an asshole of previously incomprehensible dimension.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:01:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2012 6:01:27 AM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By Freezeland:
Originally Posted By madmedic:
DRUDGE reported that Obama has sent a proposal to the senate for the fiscal cliff.

I hate speculative posts like this... But the timing just struck a nerve with me.
(I know...AWB post number 1785462)

This proposal comes right after Fienstien came out with her AWB proposal.
Is there any chance Obamas proposal could include any gun legislation like magazine bans...or even Fienstien's bill as a rider?

In other words, telling the Republicans he will fold on the upper income tax level, if they agree to his gun control proposals?


Plausible, but doubt the tea partiers in the house would vote in the affirmative


"These Tea Party fanatics care more about keeping child-killing assault rifles in lunatics' hands than avoiding fiscal calamity!"
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:01:57 AM EDT
Tax the "rich", keep the guns out of this

Better yet, don't approve the bill
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:07:47 AM EDT
These are interesting times. It looks like our president doesn't want to back down on taxing the rich and giving to the poor. It is pretty much the platform he ran upon.

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Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:07:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
DRUDGE reported that Obama has sent a proposal to the senate for the fiscal cliff.

I hate speculative posts like this... But the timing just struck a nerve with me.
(I know...AWB post number 1785462)

This proposal comes right after Fienstien came out with her AWB proposal.
Is there any chance Obamas proposal could include any gun legislation like magazine bans...or even Fienstien's bill as a rider?

In other words, telling the Republicans he will fold on the upper income tax level, if they agree to his gun control proposals?

If he does he is an asshole of previously incomprehensible dimension.


He is regardless.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:16:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


You might be able to make it through but the majority of your fellow citizens will allow them to do anything for the empty promise to return to normal. That's when the real seizing of power would come to play - when everyone is hungry and willing to let anything slide for food.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:17:58 AM EDT
I wish he would send one to congress as that is how the constitution stipulates.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:18:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By madmedic:

In other words, telling the Republicans he will fold on the upper income tax level, if they agree to his gun control proposals?


This is the most likely scenario.

Dems cave on the tax level to include 250k to 1 million
GOP caves on a majority of the AWB
Fiscal cliff avoided, AWB passes
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:19:01 AM EDT
10 dollar/bullet tax.

Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:21:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
I just heard on the news that Hussein isn't sending anything to avert the "fiscal cliff". Those fuckers don't give a damn and, frankly, neither do I. I'm tired of waiting for this fucking party to start. Let's go already.


If you saw Obama 2016, you know that he wants us/US to go over the cliff. Everything is right on plan.


And I say bring it. I'm tired of all this bullshit pussyfooting around. Let's burn this fucker down so we can start over.


A war zone coming to a neighborhood near you brought to you buy The Currency Crash? I'd like to say "no thanks," but I don't think I've much of a say left.


It's coming one way or another. We're only postponing the inevitable. I'm tired of the silly fucking posturing in Washington. I surely wish nothing bad would ever happen to anyone, but this country is fucked up like a football bat right now and a major correction is coming....I say let's go already.


+1!

ARKAR
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:48:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 338winmag:
Isn't this stuff supposed to originate in the House, or has that gone by the wayside also?


You are quite right. The house has passed a revenue bill and sent it to the Senate. To pass a lawful revenue bill, the Senate needs to pass the house bill. But they can amend it any way they choose to before passing it. If they amend it before passing it, the bill must go back to the House for consideration.
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