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Posted: 9/16/2009 1:19:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 1:26:44 PM EST by Scold]
Didn't he cannonball bush on this issue?

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.
Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.
The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives.
As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law. Back in May, President Obama said legal institutions must be updated to deal with the threat of terrorism, but in a way that preserves the rule of law and accountability.
In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.
Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the administration is willing to consider stronger civil rights protections in the new law "provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important (provisions)."
Leahy responded with a statement saying it is important for the administration and Congress to "work together to ensure that we protect both our national security and our civil liberties."
The committee has scheduled a hearing next week on the Patriot Act.
From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.
The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.
The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.
Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.
"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/...us_patriot_act
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:20:32 PM EST
extend vs. expand?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:27:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
extend vs. expand?


You are correct, I misspoke
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:53:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 1:53:45 PM EST by MadnessReigns]

Originally Posted By Scold:
Didn't he cannonball bush on this issue?

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.
Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.
The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives.
As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law. Back in May, President Obama said legal institutions must be updated to deal with the threat of terrorism, but in a way that preserves the rule of law and accountability.
In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.
Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the administration is willing to consider stronger civil rights protections in the new law "provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important (provisions)."
Leahy responded with a statement saying it is important for the administration and Congress to "work together to ensure that we protect both our national security and our civil liberties."
The committee has scheduled a hearing next week on the Patriot Act.
From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.
The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.
The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.
Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.
"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."

That's a joke, right?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:55:18 PM EST
get ready boys,gov is going to be listening in when you even take a shit.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:58:23 PM EST
Of course, you don't take food from pigmonkey's power trough, only others.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:58:50 PM EST
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 1:59:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By twistergixxer:
get ready boys,gov is going to be listening in when you even take a shit.

Crap, would that be considered a biological terrorist attack?





/can you guess where the funny is in that?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 2:09:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:

Originally Posted By twistergixxer:
get ready boys,gov is going to be listening in when you even take a shit.

Crap, would that be considered a biological terrorist attack?





/can you guess where the funny is in that?




depends on where you ate on if its a NBC
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 3:44:01 AM EST
Black Bush strikes again.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 3:46:16 AM EST
I wonder what DU is going to have to say about this...
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:05:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By agillig:
I wonder what DU is going to have to say about this...


same thing as the deficit, bush did so its alright to do a lot more of it, because you know, hes 10 times smarter than bush
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:16:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheBigStink:
Originally Posted By agillig:
I wonder what DU is going to have to say about this...


same thing as the deficit, bush did so its alright to do a lot more of it, because you know, hes 10 times smarter than bush


yep, I saw a comment over there that was like this.


MMMMMmmmm, love me some black bush.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:23:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By MadnessReigns:

Originally Posted By Scold:Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law.
That's a joke, right?


no joke at all. He KNOWS the Constitution. That's how he gets around it so easily and so often.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:17:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By Colt45guy:
Originally Posted By MadnessReigns:

Originally Posted By Scold:Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law.
That's a joke, right?


no joke at all. He KNOWS the Constitution. That's how he gets around it so easily and so often.


Ya beat me to it - EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read that line. God, I hate that Kenyan fucker.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:54:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:56:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Black Bush strikes again.


Yep.

Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:09:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 7:09:52 AM EST by pv74]
Guess it's OK now:

Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.
"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:20:02 AM EST
Obama campaigned against the Patriot Act, rendition, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, the prescription drug benefit, Bush's handling of the economy, and he was going to have a transparent administration.

Yet he now favors the Patriot Act, rendition is still going on, Guantanamo Bay is still open, he is sticking to Bush's time line in Iraq, his only problem with Bush's handling of the economy seems to be that Bush didn't throw away enough money, and he keeps getting "surprised" by the fact that he has left wing radicals in his administration.

Most people voted for him because he was supposed to be the anti-Bush, he was supposed to be open and honest. Surprise! He's a politician.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:52:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Black Bush strikes again.


Bush was not a Commie !
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:54:42 AM EST
See i knew it was a bad idea in the first place it set a bad precedence.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:08:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Scold:
Didn't he cannonball bush on this issue?

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration supports extending three key provisions of the Patriot Act that are due to expire at the end of the year, the Justice Department told Congress in a letter made public Tuesday.
Lawmakers and civil rights groups had been pressing the Democratic administration to say whether it wants to preserve the post-Sept. 11 law's authority to access business records, as well as monitor so-called "lone wolf" terrorists and conduct roving wiretaps.
The provision on business records was long criticized by rights groups as giving the government access to citizens' library records, and a coalition of liberal and conservative groups complained that the Patriot Act gives the government too much authority to snoop into Americans' private lives.
As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law. Back in May, President Obama said legal institutions must be updated to deal with the threat of terrorism, but in a way that preserves the rule of law and accountability.
In a letter to lawmakers, Justice Department officials said the administration supports extending the three expiring provisions of the law, although they are willing to consider additional privacy protections as long as they don't weaken the effectiveness of the law.
Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, that the administration is willing to consider stronger civil rights protections in the new law "provided that they do not undermine the effectiveness of these important (provisions)."
Leahy responded with a statement saying it is important for the administration and Congress to "work together to ensure that we protect both our national security and our civil liberties."
The committee has scheduled a hearing next week on the Patriot Act.
From 2004 to 2007, the business records provision was used 220 times, officials said. Most often, the business records were requested in combination with requests for phone records.
The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.
The roving wiretaps provision was designed to allow investigators to quickly monitor the communications of a suspects who change their cell phone or communication device, without investigators having to go back to court for a new court authorization. That provision has been used an average of 22 times a year, officials said.
Michelle Richardson of the American Civil Liberties Union called the administration's position "a mixed bag," and said that the group hopes the next version of the Patriot Act will have important safeguards on other issues, particularly the collecting of international communications, and a specific bar on surveillance of protected First Amendment activities like peaceful protests or religious assembly.
"We're heartened they're saying they're willing to work with Congress," Richardson said, adding that is "definitely a sea change from what we've seen in the past."





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/...us_patriot_act




Wow––-love really IS blind..............
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:30:29 AM EST
Isn't it funny how Obama is now seeing that Bush was right on some of the things he did. Granted, I think the PA is an invasion of people's privacy and gives the govt WAY too much power, but I just keep seeing Obama extand things that Bush did even after he bashed him for it. Seems things aren't quite as easy as he thought they were. Campaigning sure is different than actually having to make decisions.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:41:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By twistergixxer:
get ready boys,gov is going to be listening in when you even take a shit.


no different from the sounds coming out of the Oval Office
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:50:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Slave1:
Obama campaigned against the Patriot Act, rendition, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, the prescription drug benefit, Bush's handling of the economy, and he was going to have a transparent administration.

Yet he now favors the Patriot Act, rendition is still going on, Guantanamo Bay is still open, he is sticking to Bush's time line in Iraq, his only problem with Bush's handling of the economy seems to be that Bush didn't throw away enough money, and he keeps getting "surprised" by the fact that he has left wing radicals in his administration.

Most people voted for him because he was supposed to be the anti-Bush, he was supposed to be open and honest. Surprise! He's a politician.

The amazing thing is ever 2/4/6 years, 85% or 90% swallow the same shit.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:52:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By Slave1:
Obama campaigned against the Patriot Act, rendition, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, the prescription drug benefit, Bush's handling of the economy, and he was going to have a transparent administration.

Yet he now favors the Patriot Act, rendition is still going on, Guantanamo Bay is still open, he is sticking to Bush's time line in Iraq, his only problem with Bush's handling of the economy seems to be that Bush didn't throw away enough money, and he keeps getting "surprised" by the fact that he has left wing radicals in his administration.

Most people voted for him because he was supposed to be the anti-Bush, he was supposed to be open and honest. Surprise! He's a politician.

The amazing thing is ever 2/4/6 years, 85% or 90% swallow the same shit.


We convince ourselves to vote for the lesser of two evils (I am guilty of this myself), yet we never seem to realize that both parties have the same goal in mind.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:54:51 AM EST
go figure.
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