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Posted: 1/25/2009 6:41:19 PM EDT
All I have to say is: Damn to hell all the liberal democrat cocksuckers that are fucking up this country and a pox on the fucktards that voted for them.
Summers: Bush Tax Cuts Won't Be Extended
Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:25 PM By: Newsmax President Obama's senior economic advisor made clear Sunday that any idea of renewing the Bush tax cuts, set to expire in 2010, is a dead issue. Lawrence H. Summers, a former Treasury secretary and head of the White House's National Economic Council, made clear to “Meet the Press” host David Gregory that Obama is committed to allowing the tax cuts to die. Summers also left open the possibility that the administration may revoke the tax cuts early, an idea pushed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But he emphasized that the Obama administration is dead against extending the tax cuts, an idea favored by Republicans. Asked if he was open to extending the cuts to 2013, Summers responded, "First, it's a bad idea because we simply can't afford it. The president's inherited a trillion-dollar deficit, and a deficit with a baseline that is terrible as far as the eye can see." During the presidential campaign last year, Obama had pledged he would rescind the Bush tax cuts early and redirect the new revenues to tax cuts for lower and middle class wage earners. But in September, Obama indicated he might delay rescinding the tax cuts if he faced a severe recession. At the time he also insisted he would allow the tax cuts to expire no later than 2010. The Heritage Foundation has warned that if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire, "taxes will rise dramatically for most taxpayers" with tax rates rising "substantially in each tax bracket, some by 450 basis points." For example, top wage earners currently in the 35 percent tax bracket will see their tax rate increase to over 39 percent –– an increase of more than 10 percent in extra taxes they will have to pay. Last year, the Bush White House claimed that allowing the tax cuts to expire would mean a family of four would have an additional tax burden of $1,900 annually. They also claimed 43 million families with children would see an increase of taxes over $2,000. Summers' exchange with NBC's David Gregory follows: MR. GREGORY: Let's talk about tax cuts. About a third of his package is made up of tax cuts. Republicans want more. Specifically there's a question about the Bush tax cuts which, of course, expire next year. Does the president want to actually repeal those tax cuts this calendar year? DR. SUMMERS: I don't think there's any question they have to be repealed. The country can't afford them for the long run. MR. GREGORY: So repeal them this year? Because they expire next year. DR. SUMMERS: What the timing –– what the –– they expire, expire at the end of next year, and they have to be allowed to expire. What the timing will be, that's something that's going to have to get worked out. MR. GREGORY: Because the House speaker says do it this year. DR. SUMMERS: That's something that's going to have to get worked out through the legislative process. MR. GREGORY: All right. DR. SUMMERS: There's no question that the president's been very emphatic about this, as he was very emphatic during his campaign, that they can't be part of... MR. GREGORY: OK, but timing is important. DR. SUMMERS: They can't be, they can't be part of the long-run budget picture. MR. GREGORY: Well, understood. But... DR. SUMMERS: And it's a timing––it's something that's going to be––that's something that's going to be worked out in the course of the... MR. GREGORY: But what's his position, repeal them this year? DR. SUMMERS: ...in the course of the legislative, legislative process. The president has made clear they––that the question of timing is one we're going to have to reach as we see how the economy unfolds... MR. GREGORY: Yeah. DR. SUMMERS: ...as Congress reaches its judgments. But they're not going to be with us for long. MR. GREGORY: Why not? Why not? Conservatives make the argument, why would you want to raise taxes––if you repeal those tax cuts, taxes do go up on upper-income Americans, primarily. Why would you want to raise taxes right now? Why not put that expiration date off into, say, 2013? Why is that a bad idea? DR. SUMMERS: Put the expiration date off into... MR. GREGORY: 2013. DR. SUMMERS: ...2013? First, it's a bad idea because we simply can't afford it. The president's inherited a trillion-dollar deficit, and a deficit with a baseline that is terrible as far as the eye can see. We've got to spend money now while we have a recession, while we've got this serious economic crisis, but as soon as the economy recovers we are going to have to find ways of getting the government's finances under some kind of control. Second, we have to focus on, frankly, the parts of the economy that need help. If you look at what's happened over the last 10 years, the incomes of middle-income families have barely or kept up with inflation, or in many, many cases fallen behind inflation. The people who are the beneficiaries, the small minority, a little over 1 percent of the population that are the beneficiaries of those tax cuts have actually seen their incomes rise much more, much more rapidly. And so I think it's a pretty clear question of priority as to where the, where the assistance needs to be channeled. MR. GREGORY: But you say... DR. SUMMERS: But understand this, the president has vowed that there will be tax cuts for more than 95 percent of Americans, for all working families with incomes below $250,000. They will see their taxes cut, they will not see tax increases. MR. GREGORY: Well, let me just press you on this point. You say we can't afford to let those Bush tax cuts expire later, but we can afford to, to spend up to $700 billion for the tax cut that you like? DR. SUMMERS: We can––we––it's a good question. We certainly can afford to do what is necessary now to stimulate this economy, to put money––frankly, when you put money into the hands of middle-class families, history and experience suggest that they spend a substantial part of it, pushing the economy forward. When you put money into the hands of those with very high incomes, only a much smaller fraction of it is spent and so you derive much less benefit in terms of pushing the economy, in terms of pushing the economy forward. Source |
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Well when the free shit starts coming down the tubes all we can do is ABUSE the FUCK out of it till it eats itself alive and we can start over.
Fuck these bastards. |
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I doubt they'll actually do it.
A week or two after the election, they admitted that taking away those tax breaks would not be good for the economy. He used class warfare to get elected, but if his economic plan fails (which it would if he did that) then he wouldnt get reelected, which is all Dems really care about I doubt he'll have the balls to do it. |
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So what is their excuse gonna be 2 yrs down the road when things are 10x's worse than they are now.
Booosh will be long gone and they will be reaping the shitstorm they created. I guess we will just have to wait it out and wait for it to fail. |
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Ok, so this may be a stupid question... if the tax cuts are set to expire in 2010, then that means that this year is the last year they are in effect, correct? I'm asking because there are some expenditures for my business that I could delay until next year if needed.
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Tax increases are meaningless when no one is making money.
People taking losses in the stock market will wipe out most earned income anyhow on a tax form. It no longer means shit anyways other than giving the doers a reason not to do. |
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Tax increases are meaningless when no one is making money. People taking losses in the stock market will wipe out most earned income anyhow on a tax form. It no longer means shit anyways other than giving the doers a reason not to do. People are still making huge amounts of money in this Country. This Christmas season was the second biggest ever. (Just a little behind 2007) All the doom and gloom was put out by the Media to get the Obamanation elected. What he will do now will fuck things up more than what the Democrats have already fucked things up over the past 6 years. |
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Remember all the "It's Bush's fault" was just a lie.
The problems we are facing can be traced directly to Democrat decisions. And stand by for a lot more of the same. |
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Hey, Demodipshits, Go ahead do what liberals do tax the shit out of everything.......
But remember in a economy where people are losing jobs like they are losing New years resolutions.........NOBODY IS PAYING TAXES IF THEY CAN'T BUY ANYTHING AND ARE NOT MAKING AN INCOME!!! Therefore if they do not save the economy, the State and Federal Governments will run out of Money too. You cannot get blood from turnips!!! |
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Listen to Obama, we're all going to have to sacrifice. In other words you work for me now.
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Tax increases are meaningless when no one is making money. People taking losses in the stock market will wipe out most earned income anyhow on a tax form. It no longer means shit anyways other than giving the doers a reason not to do. People are still making huge amounts of money in this Country. This Christmas season was the second biggest ever. (Just a little behind 2007) All the doom and gloom was put out by the Media to get the Obamanation elected. What he will do now will fuck things up more than what the Democrats have already fucked things up over the past 6 years. What are you smoking? |
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Tax increases are meaningless when no one is making money. People taking losses in the stock market will wipe out most earned income anyhow on a tax form. It no longer means shit anyways other than giving the doers a reason not to do. People are still making huge amounts of money in this Country. This Christmas season was the second biggest ever. (Just a little behind 2007) All the doom and gloom was put out by the Media to get the Obamanation elected. What he will do now will fuck things up more than what the Democrats have already fucked things up over the past 6 years. Say what? |
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Watch how the "middle class" is defined. I'll bet it isn't what we think it is.
Also, how is it that the tax rates AFTER the Bush cuts expire are carved in stone? Who the hell got to define what the "default" rates are? If they return to the Klinton era robbery rates, how is it that HIS rates got to be the "return to" ones? |
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Well, I make less than 250k a year. If I pay an additional 2k in taxes starting next year I'm going to be SEVERELY pissed.
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My sort of girlfriends family are huge Dem supporters. Her mom was bitching about taxes the other day and I looked at her and just laughed a little bit.
I'm almost getting to the point where I just don't want to fight it anymore and just let them have their way. The sooner they fuck things up the sooner we will (hopefully) realize it and put someone back in charge who won't be such a disaster. Until then, let them sow what they will and reap what they sow. -K |
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All business owners should lay off 1 employee for every 1% of tax increase and let their congresscritter know it.
I would suggest starting with the obvious Obama supporters. "Here" "What the hell is this?" "Pink slip, we have to let you go" "WTF?" "Hope and change, with yo' unemployed ass, biotch!" |
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I'll say it again - BHO is a Marxist and economic terrorist. ^ And yet, many he still want to respect him because he is in "the office". |
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I'll say it again - BHO is a Marxist and economic terrorist. ^ And yet, many he still want to respect him because he is in "the office". You meant the same people that criticized liberals because they were "for the troops but against the war" and how that was hypocritical, and now they are "for the office of the president but against his agenda?" GR |
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Sounds like ObongoX's "economic advisor" came from the same "organised community" that thinks "retirement investments" are MD-20 20 and lottery tickets.
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I know one "cut" that is routinely extended is the child tax credit - wonder if they will eliminate that one to help curb the population. Of course any positive changes in the capital gains tax, alt min tax, and estate tax are prime targets. Would not be surprised if we go back to no cap gain rates (circa 87). (To be honest, the alt min tax is so tied to certain areas with the real estate bubbles - I don't see that one right away)
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OH, I get it!
Those campaign promises of no tax hikes for families making under 250k a year was a ploy. There are no tax hikes, the taxes are not being increased. They are merely removing the "Bush tax cuts." See, blame Bush and get away with it. |
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Well when the free shit starts coming down the tubes all we can do is ABUSE the FUCK out of it till it eats itself alive and we can start over. Fuck these bastards. And what if we can't start over? Do you guys ever consider the possibility that there is no 'reset'? |
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Not even a week in office and the truth is flowing out in droves...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WahPs4mBnwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfMro8-4hIE |
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Dipshits.
Taxes were raised during the beginning of the Great Depression |
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Tax increases are meaningless when no one is making money. People taking losses in the stock market will wipe out most earned income anyhow on a tax form. It no longer means shit anyways other than giving the doers a reason not to do. People are still making huge amounts of money in this Country. This Christmas season was the second biggest ever. (Just a little behind 2007) All the doom and gloom was put out by the Media to get the Obamanation elected. What he will do now will fuck things up more than what the Democrats have already fucked things up over the past 6 years. Say what? I think he is referring to the fact that the Dems have ben largely in control of congress. |
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Funny that sounds a lot like raising taxes to me. I thought he promised not to raise taxes on the regualr folks only the rich. I am shocked.
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These communists dont want the economy to recover. They want it to tank so they can nationalize it just like their heroe Hugo Chavez. The government for all intense of purposes already owns the banks and the auto industry. Look to europe for your future. Shut up and obay, while pretending to vote.
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Dirt bag Bush's "tax cuts" were a joke. When that 'tard propose any spending cuts by the way?
Oh and Obongo is going to be better? |
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Dirt bag Bush's "tax cuts" were a joke. When that 'tard propose any spending cuts by the way? Oh and Obongo is going to be better? You fail. I will pay substantially more tax without the Bush tax cuts, and I make well under Obama's "Middle class" limits. Facts about the Bush tax cuts: 1. The tax cuts have not substantially reduced current tax revenues, which were in fact not far from the 2000 pre–tax cut baseline and over the 2003 pre–tax cut baseline in 2006. 2. They increased the child tax credit which greatly benefit me and many other parents. 3. Economic growth rates have more than doubled since the 2003 tax cuts; and The tax cuts shifted even more of the income tax burden toward the rich, contrary to what libtrds will tell you. You have been sucking down Obama Kool-aid and it shows. |
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Dirt bag Bush's "tax cuts" were a joke. When that 'tard propose any spending cuts by the way? Oh and Obongo is going to be better? You are an idiot. You actually WANT to pay more taxes? Or maybe you are a minimum wage mouth breather that pay nothing already. Minnesota, go figure. You are so progressive! |
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Dirt bag Bush's "tax cuts" were a joke. When that 'tard propose any spending cuts by the way? Oh and Obongo is going to be better? Saved me multiple 1000's of $$$. |
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Dirt bag Bush's "tax cuts" were a joke. When that 'tard propose any spending cuts by the way? Oh and Obongo is going to be better? Saved me multiple 1000's of $$$. Yeah, people really ought to actually read the pertinent tax codes beofre they start spouting the bullshit put out by the liberal media. |
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Well when the free shit starts coming down the tubes all we can do is ABUSE the FUCK out of it till it eats itself alive and we can start over. Fuck these bastards. And what if we can't start over? Do you guys ever consider the possibility that there is no 'reset'? There is always a RESET. Don't matter if it comes from the top down or from the bottom up. Once things truely hit rock bottom RESET will happen. The only question is, how far down is the bottom. |
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Encourage people to live off the government teet and then control the teet.
Their plan is working. |
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All I have to say is: Damn to hell all the liberal democrat cocksuckers that are fucking up this country and a pox on the fucktards that voted for them. Summers: Bush Tax Cuts Won't Be Extended
Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:25 PM By: Newsmax President Obama's senior economic advisor made clear Sunday that any idea of renewing the Bush tax cuts, set to expire in 2010, is a dead issue. MR. GREGORY: Well, let me just press you on this point. You say we can't afford to let those Bush tax cuts expire later, but we can afford to, to spend up to $700 billion for the tax cut that you like? Source Wow - Gregory actually had the smarts to ask that? I am truly amazed - maybe all is NOT lost; just nearly all... |
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Well when the free shit starts coming down the tubes all we can do is ABUSE the FUCK out of it till it eats itself alive and we can start over. Fuck these bastards. And what if we can't start over? Do you guys ever consider the possibility that there is no 'reset'? Why not? What if some state (or states) decide they have had enough bleeding money to the Feds so they can give it away to people who don't rate? We know what you will be doing, at least. |
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Dr. Summers needs to read the following page from the Heritage Foundation: http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm
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Well when the free shit starts coming down the tubes all we can do is ABUSE the FUCK out of it till it eats itself alive and we can start over. Fuck these bastards. Newb, but yah, you pretty much said it all right there. +1 |
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<–– is going to order and read Atlas Shrugged, finally. Been putting it off but it's starting to feel like time to read it.
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I doubt they'll actually do it. A week or two after the election, they admitted that taking away those tax breaks would not be good for the economy. He used class warfare to get elected, but if his economic plan fails (which it would if he did that) then he wouldnt get reelected, which is all Dems really care about I doubt he'll have the balls to do it. +1 i 'll believe it when i see it. Not that i doubt they will do it for one second if they wanted to. But this guy is a lot of talk right now. he's been busy with flashy but minor issues that the extreme left that elected him will think is "change" |
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OH, I get it! Those campaign promises of no tax hikes for families making under 250k a year was a ploy. There are no tax hikes, the taxes are not being increased. They are merely removing the "Bush tax cuts." See, blame Bush and get away with it. Ding ding ding! Disengenious lying fucksticks. Obama "won't raise taxes" which to most means taxes stay the same. But he will "repeal the Boosh tax cuts" which will raise taxes. |
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Watch how the "middle class" is defined. I'll bet it isn't what we think it is. Also, how is it that the tax rates AFTER the Bush cuts expire are carved in stone? Who the hell got to define what the "default" rates are? If they return to the Klinton era robbery rates, how is it that HIS rates got to be the "return to" ones? Okay, I'll ask the question in red once again. Can anyone answer it? |
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There's a big, brown cloud in the city,
And the countryside's a sin. An' the price of life is too high to give up, Gotta come down again. When the world wide war is over and done, And the dream of peace comes true. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, Eatin' that rainbow stew. When they find out how to burn water, And the gasoline car is gone. When an airplane flies without any fuel, And the satellite heats our home. One of these days when the air clears up, And the sun comes shinin' through. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, An' eatin' that rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. All be drinkin' free bubble-up, An' eatin' that rainbow stew. You don't have to get high to get happy, Just think about what's in store. When people start doin' what they oughta be doin', Then they won't be booin' no more. When a President goes through the White House door, An' does what he says he'll do. We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up, Eatin' that rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. We'll all be drinkin' that free bubble-up, Eatin' some rainbow stew. Eatin' rainbow stew in a silver spoon, Underneath that sky of blue. All be drinkin' that free bubble-up, Eatin' rainbow stew. Merle Haggard |
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Well when the free shit starts coming down the tubes all we can do is ABUSE the FUCK out of it till it eats itself alive and we can start over. Fuck these bastards. THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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