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Posted: 10/24/2016 5:35:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2016 5:36:22 PM EDT by misc]
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News from The Associated Press
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Premiums will go up sharply next year under President Barack Obama's health care law, and many consumers will be down to just one insurer, the administration confirmed Monday. That will stoke another "Obamacare" controversy days before a presidential election.

Before taxpayer-provided subsidies, premiums for a midlevel benchmark plan will increase an average of 25 percent across the 39 states served by the federally run online market, according to a report from the Department of Health and Human Services. Some states will see much bigger jumps, others less.

Moreover, about 1 in 5 consumers will only have plans from a single insurer to pick from, after major national carriers such as UnitedHealth Group, Humana and Aetna scaled back their roles.

"Consumers will be faced this year with not only big premium increases but also with a declining number of insurers participating, and that will lead to a tumultuous open enrollment period," said Larry Levitt, who tracks the health care law for the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.

Republicans will pounce on the numbers as confirmation that insurance markets created by the 2010 health overhaul are on the verge of collapsing in a "death spiral." Sign-up season starts Nov. 1, about a week before national elections in which the GOP remains committed to a full repeal. Window shopping for plans and premiums is already available through HealthCare.gov.

The sobering numbers confirmed state-by-state reports that have been coming in for months. Administration officials are stressing that subsidies provided under the law, which are designed to rise alongside premiums, will insulate most customers from sticker shock. They add that consumers who are willing to switch to cheaper plans will still be able to find bargains.

"Headline rates are generally rising faster than in previous years," acknowledged HHS spokesman Kevin Griffis. But he added that for most consumers, "headline rates are not what they pay."

The vast majority of the more than 10 million customers who purchase through HealthCare.gov and its state-run counterparts do receive generous financial assistance. "Enrollment is concentrated among very low-income individuals who receive significant government subsidies to reduce premiums and cost-sharing," said Caroline Pearson of the consulting firm Avalere Health

But an estimated 5 million to 7 million people are either not eligible for the income-based assistance, or they buy individual policies outside of the health law's markets, where the subsidies are not available. The administration is urging the latter group to check out HealthCare.gov. The spike in premiums generally does not affect the employer-provided plans that most workers and their families rely on.

In some states, the premium increases are striking. In Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a 27-year-old buying a benchmark "second-lowest cost silver plan" will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report. Oklahoma has the next biggest increase for a similarly situated customer, 69 percent.

Dwindling choice is another problem factor.

The total number of HealthCare.gov insurers will drop from 232 this year to 167 in 2017, a loss of 28 percent. (Insurers are counted multiple times if they offer coverage in more than one state. So Aetna, for example, would count once in each state that it participated in.)

Switching insurers may not be simple for patients with chronic conditions.

While many carriers are offering a choice of plan designs, most use a single prescription formulary and physician network across all their products, explained Pearson. "So, enrollees may need to change doctors or drugs when they switch insurers," he said.

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Online:

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Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:36:36 PM EDT
It's all going according to plan.

FBHO
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:38:22 PM EDT
Nothing to see here. This was only the cornerstone of the presidency and it is a complete failure. Move along and vote for Hilary so we can solve the tough problems facing middle class Americans.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:39:53 PM EDT
You know, I am about to the point of just wishing for single payer commie style Healthcare. At least that is honest theft.

Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:40:06 PM EDT
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President’s Weekly Address- June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

Town hall in Green Bay, Wis.- June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."

President's Weekly Address- July 18, 2009: "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."
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GO FUCK YOURSELF, DICKHEAD.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:41:55 PM EDT
I can't imagine how much more "sharply" they can go up.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:42:04 PM EDT
What fucked up idiot would vote Hillary, which is a continuation of Obamacare
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:45:07 PM EDT
not to worry, Obamacare has kept it from being triple digit rise.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:45:07 PM EDT
But it's not their fault....unforeseen....insurance companies' fault....
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:46:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4thUSMC:
But it's not their fault....unforeseen....insurance companies' fault....
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Wrong, it's Bush's fault.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:48:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:


Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.
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They've already been in front of them for some time. There's no difference between some government bureaucrat declining medical treatments or medications and an insurance beancounter doing the same.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:49:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
You know, I am about to the point of just wishing for single payer commie style Healthcare. At least that is honest theft.

Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.
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Let me tell you a story about that....The Tricare contract was negotiated by the government again this year. We went from having 3 regions to 2, supposedly to save money.

As a result, my provider of choice cancelled all Tricare coverage east of the Mississippi with barely 30 days notice....because they got the contract for everything West of the Mississippi.

Not a big deal you say? As you get older, things in your body begin to change...you start to move from more acute illnesses and injuries to more chronic issues that probably require longer period of treatment. How are you supposed develop and maintain an effective relationship with a doctor/facility when government gets to make decisions for you?

This has been said before and I'll will repeat it, if you want to know what single payer health care is like, ask any veteran or military service member. It's going to be Tricare, but worse. The Public Health Service will become the largest federal government agency in the United States.

Remember, the guy that finishes last at medical school is still called doctor.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:52:40 PM EDT
Damn you, George Bush.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:54:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
What fucked up idiot would vote Hillary, which is a continuation of Obamacare
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Fucked up FSA dickheads.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:55:22 PM EDT
FBHO's constituency (statists, FSA, illegals, terrorist women and orphans) aren't experiencing any "premium increases."
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:56:24 PM EDT
If you don't pay we'll send the IRS after you!! Welcome to the new Amerika comrades!
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:56:46 PM EDT
Wait...wait...wait.

Hold on a fucking minute here.

You mean to tell me that "free" shit winds up being very expensive, and people have to PAY for it?!?

<---Head explodes.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:57:16 PM EDT
To the only people that matter, Husseincare is awesome AND free.

None of you in this thread matter.

I don't matter.

Nameless , faceless slaves to the preferred classes .
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 5:57:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By realwar:
If you don't pay we'll send the IRS after you!! Welcome to the new Amerika comrades!
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Well, the Supreme Court DID rule that Zerocare is constitutional under the government's power to levy taxes.

(Thanks for THAT fucking, Roberts).
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:00:14 PM EDT
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Obamacare wasn't meant to fix it. It was meant to destroy it so we beg for single payer.

All they had to do was open up competition across state lines.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:01:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Wait...wait...wait.

Hold on a fucking minute here.

You mean to tell me that "free" shit winds up being very expensive, and people have to PAY for it?!?

<---Head explodes.
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SOME people have to pay.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:01:59 PM EDT
How can people still vote Hitlery after this?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:02:45 PM EDT
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Obamacare wasn't meant to fix it. It was meant to destroy it so we beg for single payer.
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We have a winner.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:03:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 6winchester2:


Well, the Supreme Court DID rule that Zerocare is constitutional under the government's power to levy taxes.

(Thanks for THAT fucking, Roberts).
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Just so we're clear here, under the Commerce Clause, the government can regulate pretty much anything. Under the Necessary Clause, Congress can make laws about pretty much anything. Under the Spending Clause, Congress can spend money and establish programs on pretty much anything. And now, under the Taxation Clause, forcing citizens to buy a product is a tax.

So much for limited government.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:03:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gym007:
How can people still vote Hitlery after this?
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because it is republicans fault for not doing something to or with legislation that not a single one of them voted to make law.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:04:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
not to worry, Obamacare has kept it from being triple digit rise.
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I would hate to see what it would be if we weren't already saving $2,500 per year just like Obama promised.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:04:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gym007:
How can people still vote Hitlery after this?
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Drugs paid for by obummercare
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:05:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Goosemaster:
It's all going according to plan.

FBHO
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Wiping out the middle class especially the small business owners

Marxists HATE the middle class
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:06:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By OrionS:


***SNIP***

This has been said before and I'll will repeat it, if you want to know what single payer health care is like, ask any veteran or military service member. It's going to be Tricare, but worse. The Public Health Service will become the largest federal government agency in the United States.

Remember, the guy that finishes last at medical school is still called doctor.
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Originally Posted By OrionS:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
You know, I am about to the point of just wishing for single payer commie style Healthcare. At least that is honest theft.

Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.


***SNIP***

This has been said before and I'll will repeat it, if you want to know what single payer health care is like, ask any veteran or military service member. It's going to be Tricare, but worse. The Public Health Service will become the largest federal government agency in the United States.

Remember, the guy that finishes last at medical school is still called doctor.


Then he joins the military to practice medicine since no one will hire him and he has $500k in student loans to pay.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:08:03 PM EDT
Reading this thread is making my head sore, BRB...gonna run to the ER and get some aspirin
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:08:11 PM EDT
FPNI. Forward to single payer.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:08:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
You know, I am about to the point of just wishing for single payer commie style Healthcare. At least that is honest theft.

Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.
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People without insurance end up just going to the ER. They don't pay and then the hospitals charge everyone else with insurance more to pay for the deadbeats.

So we're paying one way or the other. Might as well give them free preventive care so they don't rack up a 50k ER bill for something preventable.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:08:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
What fucked up idiot would vote Hillary, which is a continuation of Obamacare
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People who get it for FREE (or highly subsidized) will vote to keep their new entitlement. The Dems and the media are still saying it's a success.

Though people who actually pay for health insurance.......won't/don't necessarily agree.

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:08:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:


They've already been in front of them for some time. There's no difference between some government bureaucrat declining medical treatments or medications and an insurance beancounter doing the same.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:


Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.


They've already been in front of them for some time. There's no difference between some government bureaucrat declining medical treatments or medications and an insurance beancounter doing the same.

First I was wondering how anyone could possibly think this, then I recognized your join date. Carry on.

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:10:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Obamacare wasn't meant to fix it. It was meant to destroy it so we beg for single payer.

All they had to do was open up competition across state lines.
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How is all of this in the best interests of the insurance companies? They are the ones who wrote it after all. Right?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:11:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
You know, I am about to the point of just wishing for single payer commie style Healthcare. At least that is honest theft.

Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels
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now you're talkin
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:11:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:11:56 PM EDT
"GOP remains committed to a full repeal"

Lol ya right, Trump might be for it but the GOP is not.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:11:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sovereign:



How is all of this in the best interests of the insurance companies? They are the ones who wrote it after all. Right?
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Originally Posted By sovereign:
Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Obamacare wasn't meant to fix it. It was meant to destroy it so we beg for single payer.

All they had to do was open up competition across state lines.



How is all of this in the best interests of the insurance companies? They are the ones who wrote it after all. Right?


They didn't take the Dems agenda into account, just the money that would be coming their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies aren't simply nationalized.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:13:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BigJimmyRustler:


GO FUCK YOURSELF, DICKHEAD.
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Originally Posted By BigJimmyRustler:
President’s Weekly Address- June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

Town hall in Green Bay, Wis.- June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."

President's Weekly Address- July 18, 2009: "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."


GO FUCK YOURSELF, DICKHEAD.

Sounds like there should be a class action lawsuit against the President.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:13:13 PM EDT
All part of the plan.

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:13:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Eject:

First I was wondering how anyone could possibly think this, then I recognized your join date. Carry on.

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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:


Plus, we can finally put some boomers in front of the death panels.


They've already been in front of them for some time. There's no difference between some government bureaucrat declining medical treatments or medications and an insurance beancounter doing the same.

First I was wondering how anyone could possibly think this, then I recognized your join date. Carry on.


A 13er calling out someone else's join date. That's rich
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:14:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:

Sounds like there should be a class action lawsuit against the President.
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Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By BigJimmyRustler:
President’s Weekly Address- June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

Town hall in Green Bay, Wis.- June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."

President's Weekly Address- July 18, 2009: "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."


GO FUCK YOURSELF, DICKHEAD.

Sounds like there should be a class action lawsuit against the President.


Class Action Lawyer: He lied!
Obama: I'm a politician. Of course I lied. You're the ones who put me in office. Caveat Emptor.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:15:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
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The same people getting the subsidies and other free shit on the backs of the people who actually work and pay taxes.

Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:16:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:


They didn't take the Dems agenda into account, just the money that would be coming their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies aren't simply nationalized.
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
Originally Posted By sovereign:
Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Obamacare wasn't meant to fix it. It was meant to destroy it so we beg for single payer.

All they had to do was open up competition across state lines.



How is all of this in the best interests of the insurance companies? They are the ones who wrote it after all. Right?


They didn't take the Dems agenda into account, just the money that would be coming their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies aren't simply nationalized.


If a 5 year old could figure out where all of this is headed, how did it slip the minds of some of the most calculating (by nature and job description) people on the planet?
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:16:41 PM EDT
Go libtards! But don't worry dipshit says she'll fix it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:16:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 6winchester2:


Well, the Supreme Court DID rule that Zerocare is constitutional under the government's power to levy taxes.

(Thanks for THAT fucking, Roberts).
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Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Originally Posted By realwar:
If you don't pay we'll send the IRS after you!! Welcome to the new Amerika comrades!


Well, the Supreme Court DID rule that Zerocare is constitutional under the government's power to levy taxes.

(Thanks for THAT fucking, Roberts).

Of course they did. Roberts was appointed by the establishment shill named GW Bush. In the 1990's twenty establishment Republicans actually co-signed a bill pushing the individual mandate. One of those Republicans continued on to become a Governor, pushed the mandate in his state, and signed it into law. His name is Mitt Romney. The establishment, including Mitt Romney are now working hard to defeat Trump because he threatens to eliminate Obamacare. The GOPe and Romney are also supporting Hillary, who will keep and expand Obamacare.

Thank the establishment, DNCe and GOPe, for all of this. The rich elite didn't get rich by being stupid, they became the elite by buying politicians. Several billionaires of pharmaceutical companies are Republican and encouraging people to vote for Hillary.
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I just got my final bill for my last doctor bill today.

The other one on Friday.

My doctor visit was 125, exam 125 ( waived when I was paying cash), $58 dollar script bill.

Friday bill was $13.95, exray bill was $39.00


Fuck obungo care......

First time at a Doctor since 2003.....I think.

and I am 47 years old.

The feds can lick my nuts
Link Posted: 10/24/2016 6:23:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CTM1:


because it is republicans fault for not doing something to or with legislation that not a single one of them voted to make law.
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Originally Posted By gym007:
How can people still vote Hitlery after this?


because it is republicans fault for not doing something to or with legislation that not a single one of them voted to make law.


Yet those same Republicans could never pull their tongues out of Obamas asshole long enough to repeal it.
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