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Posted: 1/26/2009 3:52:33 PM EDT
Edit:  Reading is fundamental.  Looks like this is forcing CA lunatic hippie emissions on half the country.

This administration is just freaking wonderful.  Not only are they sticking the federal nose where it doesn't belong, but now they're handing over federal control in a situation where dozens of state standards would be a disaster.  In 4 years, there will only be one car on the market, made in a government-run factory.  Maybe he'll call it "the people's car"...

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090126/ANA02/901260283/1197

Obama ponders state emissions rules opposed by industry

Harry Stoffer

Automotive News | January 26, 2009 - 8:32 am EST

WASHINGTON –– President Barack Obama made clear today that economic woes won’t keep him from forcing automakers to build more environmentally friendly vehicles.

The message came in the form of two executive orders. One tells the Department of Transportation to issue tougher fuel economy standards –– a task that is already on its agenda. The other instructs the EPA to “review” whether states should enforce their own greenhouse gas emission rules for vehicles.

Obama stopped short of saying he wants the EPA to grant California and at least 13 other states a waiver so they can enforce their rules. He favored the waiver, which is opposed by automakers, during his campaign.

“As we move forward, we will fully take into account the unique challenges facing the American auto industry and the taxpayer dollars that now support it,” Obama said today. “Our goal is not to further burden an already struggling industry; it is to help America’s automakers prepare for the future.”

Obama’s appointees to head the EPA and Transportation Department vowed during Senate confirmation hearings to take the steps the president called for today.

Obama’s first days in office have focused on economic and national security issues. The orders send a signal to environmental groups that they have not been forgotten. They also enabled him to restate his belief that overcoming environmental and energy problems can be good for the economy.

He included in today’s remarks a pitch for an $825 billion economic stimulus bill pending in Congress. Some stimulus provisions would begin the spending he seeks to advance alternative sources of energy.

Factory caution

Automakers support the higher federal fuel economy standards scheduled to begin taking effect in the 2011 model year. But they warn that state greenhouse gas rules would create market chaos.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, a Washington trade group, said automakers need a single federal-state solution rather than different standards for fuel economy from the Transportation Department, the EPA and the states. The alliance represents the Detroit 3, Toyota, Volkswagen and six other automakers.

“The alliance supports a nationwide program that bridges state and federal concerns and moves all stakeholders forward,” alliance President Dave McCurdy said today. “We are ready to work with the administration on developing a national approach."

In a statement today, General Motors said it “is working aggressively on the products and the advanced technologies that match the nation's and consumers’ priorities to save energy and reduce emissions.”

“We're ready to engage the Obama administration and Congress on policies that support meaningful and workable solutions and targets that benefit consumers from coast to coast,” the GM statement said. “We look forward to contributing to a comprehensive policy discussion that takes into account the development pace of new technologies, alternative fuels and market and economic factors.”

The National Automobile Dealers Association has warned of “irreparable harm” if the state rules are enforced.

David Regan, NADA’s vice president of legislative affairs, noted today that nearly 1,000 franchised dealerships closed last year, costing more than 50,000 jobs.

“We are hopeful the president and the EPA administrator will realize that a single national fuel economy standard set by his administration is smarter than a patchwork of state regulations that further endanger the struggling auto industry,” Regan said.

2 House views

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., a key advocate of the state rules, said today that “granting the request of California and other states to move forward with reducing greenhouse gases emissions from vehicles will steer American automakers to retool their fleets.”

“Only through innovation will automakers be able to create the greener cars of the future and regain their global competitiveness,” Pelosi said.

U.S. Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., the Detroit 3’s chief ally in Congress, said today that Obama and the EPA “need to lead and cooperate with the states in setting a single, aggressive standard for greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles.”

Added Dingell: “I am hopeful that as the EPA begins the process of reconsidering the waiver, it will act in a thoughtful and careful manner.”
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:53:56 PM EDT
[#1]
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:55:31 PM EDT
[#2]
The way he's throwing out executive orders scares me.  He's bypassing the electorate.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:57:26 PM EDT
[#3]
I have felt buyers remorse in the past over a bad purchase. The uaw must be ready to commit suicide. Serves them fucking right for backing this cocksucker
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:02:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


Yeah  baby. As long as they get card check they don't care....


Fuck the UAW

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:02:34 PM EDT
[#5]
Good write up.

California accounts for a huge chunk of America’s new car sales (at least for the transplants). And 13 other states (Arizona, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington) follow its vehicular emissions laws. Put them together and they account for just under half of all American new vehicle sales. And now, thanks to President Obama’s decision to grant California a waiver from federal emissions regulations, they’re going to call the shots for the entire U.S. automotive industry.

President Obama will free California impose its own vehicular tailpipe regulations. Those rules, already drafted, consider CO2 a pollutant. (Global warming and all that.) Manufacturers wishing to sell vehicles in California and its legislative clones will have to meet a new, fleet-wide CO2 standard. As CO2 emissions are directly related to fuel economy, CA et. al. will be, effectively, directing the carmakers to sell higher mileage vehicles. Significantly higher.

“The California law, which was originally meant to take effect in the 2009 model year, requires automakers to cut emissions by nearly a third by 2016, four years ahead of the federal timetable,” The New York Times reports. “The result would be an increase in fuel efficiency in the American car and light truck fleet to roughly 35 miles per gallon from the current average of 27.”

There are two schools of thought on the effects of this move. First, not only can Detroit and the rest of them meet the higher standards, but it’s about fucking time.

“This is a complete reversal of President Bush’s policy of censoring or ignoring global warming science,” Daniel J. Weiss, director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress in Washington, told the Gray Lady. “With the fuel economy measures and clean energy investments in the recovery package, President Obama has done more in one week to reduce oil dependence and global warming than George Bush did in eight years.”

For environmental activists, the idea that automakers can meet the new California standard is a given. Another shibboleth: carmakers would have already done so if not for their greedy, SUV-pimping, foot-dragging ways. The fact that $4 a gallon gas did more for the environmentalist’s cause than decades of federal corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards is shoved aside. As is the fact that the electorate voted with their wallets.

There’s a planet to be saved; free markets be damned. From this perspective, the federal waiver is a victory for Mother Earth that will be fully vindicated by its non-impact on the auto industry and its immeasurable impact on the earth’s climate. One way and the other, decades hence, people will wonder what all the fuss was about.

Alternatively, the decision to empower California to set national fuel economy standards will, as the automakers have warned, wreak havoc on a fragile industry, drive-up prices for consumers and, ultimately, fail.

There’s no way automakers selling cars in America can meet the California mob’s higher, fleet-wide fuel economy standards within the deadline without chopping low-mileage models from their lineup within the relevant states. (The fuel-sucking CUV halfway house, for example, just became an evolutionary dead end.) Detroit News columnist Daniel Howes described the CA mandate as the involuntary hybridization of the nation’s fleet. That sounds about right to me.

Whether manufacturers would offer low[er] mileage vehicles for sale outside of the 14-states is a tricky question, given the intersection of politics, PR and commercial reality. Whether those non-CA-friendly vehicles could be “imported” into the 14-state cabal is even trickier. And speaking of tricky…

As The NYT points out, the new laws mean “automobile manufacturers will quickly have to retool to begin producing and selling cars and trucks that get higher mileage than the national standard, and on a faster phase-in schedule.”

Has anyone looked at the U.S. new car market recently? Who’s got money for that shit? And who’s going to pay cash money to buy these newfangled fuel misers? What if these wonderful machines don’t sell?

All of which highlights the small matter of what “we” (i.e. taxpayers) are going to do about GM and Chrysler, currently (and for the foreseeable future) sucking on Uncle Sam’s teat.

While the Department of Energy is preparing to dole out dole worth $25b for retooling “loans” to build these more left-coast compliant vehicles, this turn of events suggests that Uncle Sam will be on the hook for even more more money for GM and ChryCo. Hey, you want us to build way cool fuel efficient vehicles? You gotta pay. I mean, loan.

I understand the rationale behind California’s zeal and President Obama’s support. But there’s no doubt that they’ve just invoked the law of unintended consequences. Thought politically toxic, a gas tax hike would have been a far more effective solution. As we shall soon see.


I would actually prefer a Gas Tax increase over this nonsense.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:05:46 PM EDT
[#6]
"As we move forward, we will fully take into account the unique challenges facing the American auto industry and the taxpayer dollars that now support it,” Obama said today.

Translation: "WE NOW OWN YOU!!!"  

“Our goal is not to further burden an already struggling industry; it is to help America’s automakers prepare for the future.”

Translation: "Our goal is to bend the path of the auto industry to our rule".




Anybody still think Obama isn't a communist Black Panther who will ruin America as we know it?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:07:50 PM EDT
[#7]
Government schools,
Government healthcare
Government cars
whats next?

Glad my life's half over, geesh...
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:08:58 PM EDT
[#8]
At least UAW will have a lot of gas saving cars no one can afford to buy.
Obama is full of himself and is not going to listen anybody’s advice .
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:08:59 PM EDT
[#9]
I can't wait for my government-made magic car that runs on rainbows and unicorn semen.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:09:08 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
"As we move forward, we will fully take into account the unique challenges facing the American auto industry and the taxpayer dollars that now support it,” Obama said today.

Translation: "WE NOW OWN YOU!!!"  

“Our goal is not to further burden an already struggling industry; it is to help America’s automakers prepare for the future.”

Translation: "Our goal is to bend the path of the auto industry to our rule".




Anybody still think Obama isn't a communist Black Panther who will ruin America as we know it?


He's the biggest Domestic Enemy this country has ever had.  Our own POTUS is our most "clear and present danger."

We haven't seen anything yet.

HH
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:09:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


Yep, what you said right there.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:10:16 PM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:

Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?
Pre-effing-cisely!



Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:10:38 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


pwned!
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:10:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Good write up.

California accounts for a huge chunk of America’s new car sales (at least for the transplants). And 13 other states (Arizona, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington) follow its vehicular emissions laws. Put them together and they account for just under half of all American new vehicle sales. And now, thanks to President Obama’s decision to grant California a waiver from federal emissions regulations, they’re going to call the shots for the entire U.S. automotive industry.

President Obama will free California impose its own vehicular tailpipe regulations. Those rules, already drafted, consider CO2 a pollutant. (Global warming and all that.) Manufacturers wishing to sell vehicles in California and its legislative clones will have to meet a new, fleet-wide CO2 standard. As CO2 emissions are directly related to fuel economy, CA et. al. will be, effectively, directing the carmakers to sell higher mileage vehicles. Significantly higher.

“The California law, which was originally meant to take effect in the 2009 model year, requires automakers to cut emissions by nearly a third by 2016, four years ahead of the federal timetable,” The New York Times reports. “The result would be an increase in fuel efficiency in the American car and light truck fleet to roughly 35 miles per gallon from the current average of 27.”

There are two schools of thought on the effects of this move. First, not only can Detroit and the rest of them meet the higher standards, but it’s about fucking time.

“This is a complete reversal of President Bush’s policy of censoring or ignoring global warming science,” Daniel J. Weiss, director of climate strategy at the Center for American Progress in Washington, told the Gray Lady. “With the fuel economy measures and clean energy investments in the recovery package, President Obama has done more in one week to reduce oil dependence and global warming than George Bush did in eight years.”

For environmental activists, the idea that automakers can meet the new California standard is a given. Another shibboleth: carmakers would have already done so if not for their greedy, SUV-pimping, foot-dragging ways. The fact that $4 a gallon gas did more for the environmentalist’s cause than decades of federal corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards is shoved aside. As is the fact that the electorate voted with their wallets.

There’s a planet to be saved; free markets be damned. From this perspective, the federal waiver is a victory for Mother Earth that will be fully vindicated by its non-impact on the auto industry and its immeasurable impact on the earth’s climate. One way and the other, decades hence, people will wonder what all the fuss was about.

Alternatively, the decision to empower California to set national fuel economy standards will, as the automakers have warned, wreak havoc on a fragile industry, drive-up prices for consumers and, ultimately, fail.

There’s no way automakers selling cars in America can meet the California mob’s higher, fleet-wide fuel economy standards within the deadline without chopping low-mileage models from their lineup within the relevant states. (The fuel-sucking CUV halfway house, for example, just became an evolutionary dead end.) Detroit News columnist Daniel Howes described the CA mandate as the involuntary hybridization of the nation’s fleet. That sounds about right to me.

Whether manufacturers would offer low[er] mileage vehicles for sale outside of the 14-states is a tricky question, given the intersection of politics, PR and commercial reality. Whether those non-CA-friendly vehicles could be “imported” into the 14-state cabal is even trickier. And speaking of tricky…

As The NYT points out, the new laws mean “automobile manufacturers will quickly have to retool to begin producing and selling cars and trucks that get higher mileage than the national standard, and on a faster phase-in schedule.”

Has anyone looked at the U.S. new car market recently? Who’s got money for that shit? And who’s going to pay cash money to buy these newfangled fuel misers? What if these wonderful machines don’t sell?

All of which highlights the small matter of what “we” (i.e. taxpayers) are going to do about GM and Chrysler, currently (and for the foreseeable future) sucking on Uncle Sam’s teat.

While the Department of Energy is preparing to dole out dole worth $25b for retooling “loans” to build these more left-coast compliant vehicles, this turn of events suggests that Uncle Sam will be on the hook for even more more money for GM and ChryCo. Hey, you want us to build way cool fuel efficient vehicles? You gotta pay. I mean, loan.

I understand the rationale behind California’s zeal and President Obama’s support. But there’s no doubt that they’ve just invoked the law of unintended consequences. Thought politically toxic, a gas tax hike would have been a far more effective solution. As we shall soon see.


I would actually prefer a Gas Tax increase over this nonsense.


Oh it's coming as well.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:10:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I have felt buyers remorse in the past over a bad purchase. The uaw must be ready to commit suicide. Serves them fucking right for backing this cocksucker


QFT
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:11:05 PM EDT
[#16]
One more step in the ruination of America
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:11:21 PM EDT
[#17]
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:11:53 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


They love him just fine!  And they will all vote for him in 2012, just like good little communists.  The UAW will get their money, no matter what.  What do you think the auto bailouts are for?  The car companies?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:13:17 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Government schools,
Government healthcare
Government cars
whats next?

Glad my life's half over, geesh...


Govt. cheeeeeeese?


Don't forget nationalized banks and tit-sucking corporations.

HH

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:13:41 PM EDT
[#20]
And it's only January 26th!
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:14:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Government schools,
Government healthcare
Government cars
whats next?

Glad my life's half over, geesh...



Surprise gov buttsecks....


Lucky for you the gov is equal oppurtunity, and doesnt discriminate against age!!!

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:14:21 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have felt buyers remorse in the past over a bad purchase. The uaw must be ready to commit suicide. Serves them fucking right for backing this cocksucker


QFT


-1

All the UAW cares about is that the .gov prop up their compensation package through the Bail Out.  They could care less about the overall state of the economy.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:14:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


No fucking shit, a knife in the back.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:15:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
The way he's throwing out executive orders scares me.  He's bypassing the electorate.


I hope he keeps doing it.  




As for the auto industry.  They should just completely close up shop in all states unfriendly to them.  No sales and, especially, no repairs.  Also, refuse to ship parts to those states.  We'll see who blinks first.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:17:13 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Government schools,
Government healthcare
Government cars
whats next?

Glad my life's half over, geesh...


Govt. cheeeeeeese?


Yeah, but only for those dirty, rich, evil capitalists.    Obama and Co. pandered to the poor, and they think he is going to give THEM all the goodies...

He will drive the Auto industry to it's knees, and then give them more money, etc etc etc... and blame free market the whole time, I'm willing to bet.  Or Bush.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:21:19 PM EDT
[#26]
They got the change they wanted.

Now Hope kicks in, as I hope he doesn't fuck me.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 4:47:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Government schools,
Government healthcare
Government cars
whats next?

Glad my life's half over, geesh...



Surprise gov buttsecks....


Lucky for you the gov is equal oppurtunity, and doesnt discriminate against age!!!



Yeah, enjoy your government retirement and government-run nursing home.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 5:04:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
The way he's throwing out executive orders scares me.  He's bypassing the electorate.


That was his whole idea getting elected in the first place, what does he really need the fly over country for except for every four years.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 5:06:33 PM EDT
[#29]
"the people's car"...


sounds about RIGHT.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 5:08:17 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


Link Posted: 1/26/2009 5:16:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:04:39 PM EDT
[#32]
We should start a pool on how fast he's gonna derail this train called America.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:07:45 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
We should start a pool on how fast he's gonna derail this train called America.


I choose right now.

I WIN.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:13:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
I can't wait for my government-made magic car that runs on rainbows and unicorn semen.


Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:20:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Is there a way to keep track of how many EOs he puts out and compare them to previous administrations? I'm guessing it's pretty common to do a lot at the beginning then taper off, but I want to check.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:30:10 PM EDT
[#36]
My wife has a retarded sister in law that stands by the uaw and obama no matter what. Im sure next time I see that dumb cunt she will be talking about how good it is the smog nazis are going to take over to save a tree.
I fucking hate libtard assholes.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:35:32 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?


They would still vote for him and bend over and kiss his rear

He can do no wrong to UAW types

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 6:54:55 PM EDT
[#38]
Sounds like Michigan's chickens are coming home to roost.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:06:04 PM EDT
[#39]


"No stop signs, speed limit, Nobody's gonna slow me down........I'm on the highway to hell..."








If it's gonna crash, let's crash this bitch....I'm not getting any younger.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:07:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?




+1. Reap what you've sown UAW assholes.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:11:57 PM EDT
[#41]
If I was the CEO of an Auto Manufacturer, at this moment I'd be sending Congress a letter saying "Thanks for the bail out/loan.  I won't be able to repay the loan, as I'm no longer doing business with the State of California.  You know how Cuba has a large industry rebuilding cars from the 1950's?  Well, California is just about to have that."  Then I'd send a letter to California saying "Enjoy things while you can.  The cars that my company manufactures will no longer be sold or supported in your state.  LAPD - have fun getting your warranty parts serviced.  SFPD - hope you enjoy chasing down criminals while driving broke ass cars"
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:17:26 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:


"No stop signs, speed limit, Nobody's gonna slow me down........I'm on the highway to hell..."








If it's gonna crash, let's crash this bitch....I'm not getting any younger.




I'm with ya.  I don't wish for the collapse of America, but it's going to happen.  We are already too far gone to save, and this administration just put the peddle to the floor with no fucking brakes. Let's have at it now, while I can fight, so my daughters won't have to.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:20:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Too bad I don't sit in Iacocca's chair.

I'd say "bah ok, up yours .ca.us!"  Make it too hard to do business in your state and people will eventually.. stop doing business there.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:22:23 PM EDT
[#44]
I DO NOT FEEL BAD FOR THEM AT ALL.

]
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:22:27 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
If I was the CEO of an Auto Manufacturer, at this moment I'd be sending Congress a letter saying "Thanks for the bail out/loan.  I won't be able to repay the loan, as I'm no longer doing business with the State of California.  You know how Cuba has a large industry rebuilding cars from the 1950's?  Well, California is just about to have that."  Then I'd send a letter to California saying "Enjoy things while you can.  The cars that my company manufactures will no longer be sold or supported in your state.  LAPD - have fun getting your warranty parts serviced.  SFPD - hope you enjoy chasing down criminals while driving broke ass cars"


Sadly none of the CEO's have the balls of Ronnie Barrett, so they won't even consider cutting off California.  Really, they would just have to cut off the state government and LE agencies for this to go away.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:36:23 PM EDT
[#46]
Obama is really getting way over his head right now. He is going to piss WAY too many people off way too fast. Talk about buyers remorse. All them fence sitters are going to be praying to what ever god they pray unto to undo their sin to mankind.

Republicans, Green Party, Blue dog dems. FIGHT BACK you pathetic pussies. Dont let our country be ruined by regulations. This is america for gods sake. We should be free men. Free men to do what ever they so choose. Apparently we have a lot of hippies at the wheel as of now.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:36:56 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If I was the CEO of an Auto Manufacturer, at this moment I'd be sending Congress a letter saying "Thanks for the bail out/loan.  I won't be able to repay the loan, as I'm no longer doing business with the State of California.  You know how Cuba has a large industry rebuilding cars from the 1950's?  Well, California is just about to have that."  Then I'd send a letter to California saying "Enjoy things while you can.  The cars that my company manufactures will no longer be sold or supported in your state.  LAPD - have fun getting your warranty parts serviced.  SFPD - hope you enjoy chasing down criminals while driving broke ass cars"


Sadly none of the CEO's have the balls of Ronnie Barrett, so they won't even consider cutting off California.  Really, they would just have to cut off the state government and LE agencies for this to go away.


Move corporate HQ to bermuda (that was a random pick.  someplace with low taxes), and pull out of the US.  GM is competitive elsewhere.

"Thanks for the cheese, but I'm out bitches!"

But that's just what I'd do.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:44:20 PM EDT
[#48]
I saw this shit on CNN this morning.


My response, grumble to another student "so he's gonna regulate them out of business then bail them out again?".   Fucking wonderful   he really is a bright one.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:44:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
I can't wait for my government-made magic car that runs on rainbows and unicorn semen.




Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:46:08 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
Hey UAW, how you like your candidate now?
Oh shit that hurt.
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