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Posted: 4/16/2009 3:18:06 AM EDT

Has anyone seen this or heard of this? This was sent to me the other day and I would have NEVER done this. I have been in harm's way out of duty to my country NOT the President......

Military to Pledge Oath To Obama, Not Constitution
Michele Chang Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extremely frustrated with orders that
the White House is contemplating. According to sources at the Pentagon,
including all branches of the armed forces, the Obama Administration may
break with a centuries-old tradition.

A spokesman for General James Cartwright, the Vice Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, states that the Obama Administration wants to have soldiers
and officers pledge a loyalty oath directly to the office of the President,
and no longer to the Constitution.

"The oath to the Constitution is as old as the document itself." the
spokesman said, "At no time in American history, not even in the Civil War,
did the oath change or the subject of the oath differ. It has always been to
the Constitution."

The back-and-forth between the White House and the Defense Department was
expected as President George W. Bush left office. President Obama has
already signed orders to close Guantanamo and to pull combat troops from
Iraq. But, this, say many at the Defense Department, goes too far.

"Technically, we can't talk about it before it becomes official policy." the
spokesman continued. "However, the Defense Department, including the
Secretary, will not take this laying down. Expect a fight from the
bureaucracy and the brass."

Sources at the White House had a different point of view. In a circular
distributed by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, the rationale for
the change was made more clear.

"The President feels that the military has been too indoctrinated by the old
harbingers of hate: nationalism, racism, and classism. By removing an oath
to the American society, the soldiers are less likely to commit atrocities
like those at Abu Ghraib."

"We expect a lot of flak over this," the classified memo continues. "But
those that would be most against it are those looking either for attention
or control."

The time frame for the changes are unknown. However, it is more likely that
the changes will be made around the July 4th holiday, in order to dampen any
potential backlash. The difference in the oath will actually only be slight.
The main differences will be the new phrasing. It is expected that the oath
to the Constitution will be entirely phased out within two years.

Posted: 4/16/2009 3:21:14 AM EDT

[#1]

Just have to raise the flag on this. No one would be that stupid, or would they

Posted: 4/16/2009 3:33:22 AM EDT

[#2]

If this is true, BHO really is a POS.

Posted: 4/16/2009 3:54:26 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
If this is true, BHO really is a POS.

+1

Posted: 4/16/2009 3:57:11 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

, BHO really is a POS.

fixed, your welcome

Posted: 4/16/2009 5:05:51 AM EDT

[#5]

Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Posted: 4/16/2009 1:43:13 PM EDT

[#6]

Notwithstanding the fact that hordes of far-right conspiracy nuts have reprinted the above as factual, it is false. The putative author, "Michele Chang," doesn't exist. The actual author, a New York college student named Matthew Avitabile, published the piece on his blog, Jumping in Pools, on January 28, 2009. It was tagged as "satire," a detail that fell by the wayside as the text made its way from blog to blog and inbox to inbox in the days that followed.

"Michele Chang is me," Avitabile confirmed in response to an email query. "So, yes, it's fake, and it always has been."

Implausible though it must seem to readers with a reasonably firm grip on reality, the central premise — namely that the new administration intends to replace the military's oath of loyalty to the Constitution with a pledge of loyalty to Obama himself — clearly struck a chord with folks who view the President as a shadowy figure with a nefarious secret agenda who rose to power via a cult of personality. Several of those who reprinted the article explicitly compared Obama to Adolf Hitler.

Though merely implied in the spoof itself, that analogy was intentional, admits the author, who unapologetically describes the piece as "a creative take on the Wehrmacht pledge in the Third Reich." No conspiracy theorist himself, he insists, Avitabile says he was surprised to find so many people taking it seriously. "Not to say that they were dumb, but I think that the tone of a lot of the rumor-spreading was so quick and so urgent that people really wanted to believe it and spread, spread, spread."

Citing the work of radio personality Phil Hendrie as an influence, Avitabile told me he plans to write more satire in the future and will clearly tag it as such in every case — "if people want to check, that is."

Found Here

Posted: 4/16/2009 6:43:40 PM EDT

[#7]

Edit: never mind

Posted: 4/16/2009 9:22:12 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Just have to raise the flag on this. No one would be that stupid, or would they

^ what he said ^

Posted: 4/18/2009 8:51:46 AM EDT

[#9]

Only Enlisted soldiers swear to obey the President and all in authority.

Officers swear an oath to the Constitution.

Quoted:
Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Posted: 4/18/2009 9:08:12 AM EDT

[#10]

Marine Corps Oath of Enlistment

I, ____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Marine Corps Officer

I, ____________, solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Monk

Posted: 4/19/2009 2:24:36 PM EDT

[#11]

During the late 1930s, the German military swore their oath to hitler, and to him alone.

The similarities between early 1930s Germany and the present time in the US are becoming quite apparant.

Posted: 4/19/2009 5:30:45 PM EDT

[#12]

He wouldn't dare... but It'll sure be funny to watch him try. Fix bayonets, Charge!!!

Posted: 4/20/2009 3:29:59 AM EDT

[#13]

I re-enlisted today, the oath hasn't changed a whit.

Posted: 4/20/2009 3:42:58 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
I re-enlisted today, the oath hasn't changed a whit.

Thanks for bringing some facts and sanity to this thread and thank you for your service!
In honor of your re-enlistment. I shall refrain from any Air Force jokes....for a day

My re-elistment package has been sent to HQMC
It only took them 6 1/2 months to get my paper work (CRCR) corrected
Damn admin idiots.

Semper Fi

Monk

Posted: 4/20/2009 3:43:02 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is prior to BHO and his regime was the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Fixed

It seems that is the way it is headed. I don't know that the men and women in the military are going to put up with it but if things keep progressing the way they are the UN and or China will take care of things

ETA: Foreign and domestic. That is interesting.

Could it be our military will have to protect us from our own government?

Posted: 4/21/2009 8:40:10 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Only Enlisted soldiers swear to obey the President and all in authority.

Officers swear an oath to the Constitution.

Quoted:
Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Enlisted soldiers first swear to support and defend the Constitution just as officers do, then they swear to obey the President and officer appointed over them.

Posted: 4/21/2009 3:25:16 PM EDT

[#17]

thats what i said

Quoted:

Quoted:
Only Enlisted soldiers swear to obey the President and all in authority.

Officers swear an oath to the Constitution.

Quoted:
Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Enlisted soldiers first swear to support and defend the Constitution just as officers do, then they swear to obey the President and officer appointed over them.

Posted: 4/21/2009 7:04:50 PM EDT

[#18]

It's a joke. Check this out: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_president_obama_planning_to_have_the.html

Pardon my weak internet-fu; I do not know how to hotlink.

B_S

Posted: 4/22/2009 6:52:31 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
thats what i said

Quoted:

Quoted:
Only Enlisted soldiers swear to obey the President and all in authority.

Officers swear an oath to the Constitution.

Quoted:
Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Enlisted soldiers first swear to support and defend the Constitution just as officers do, then they swear to obey the President and officer appointed over them.

Just needed some clarity.

Posted: 4/23/2009 8:38:32 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Only Enlisted soldiers swear to obey the President and all in authority.

Officers swear an oath to the Constitution.

Quoted:
Remove the Oath to the Constitution? The Constitution is the center of our governmental system, not the President! THAT is why we swear to "uphold the Constitution and protect it against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Military persons already swear to obey the President and all in authority; why change the oath even more?

Enlisted soldiers first swear to support and defend the Constitution just as officers do, then they swear to obey the President and officer appointed over them.

...why I engraved this on my stock on Nov 5...

the Constitution should superceed the president. All men and women who took this oath (officer, enlisted, or elected official) should hold to it (foreign AND domestic), to include the president himself (it's in his oath of office as well...).

Posted: 4/29/2009 12:28:14 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
During the late 1930s, the German military swore their oath to hitler, and to him alone.

The similarities between early 1930s Germany and the present time in the US are becoming quite apparant.

Let me guess, all those posts about it being a hoax went right past you while you were looking the other way?

Posted: 5/2/2009 4:49:53 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

I, ____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

This is the Oath I swore to.

Posted: 5/2/2009 4:59:23 PM EDT

[#23]

I have uttered plenty of oaths since this administration occupied the white house, but not the kind you would raise your right hand to.

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