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Posted: 9/15/2005 9:00:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:01:03 AM EDT by quattro]
Landwind Crash Test Pics

and it's only at 40mph!hock.gif
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:02:48 AM EDT
damn.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:03:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:04:44 AM EDT
Looks like the Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:04:54 AM EDT
Will they be selling those at Wal-mart?

Would anyone in America buy a chinese automobile?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:05:13 AM EDT
Isuzu Trooper knock off. What a giant pos. What the fuck did they make that out of?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:05:55 AM EDT
It doesnt suprise me that they finally started useing some of their own cheap steel in their vehicles over there.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:06:16 AM EDT
WOW....yeah.....thats horrible....get rid of that POS.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:06:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:09:33 AM EDT by KlubMarcus]
That thing broke up like a happy meal toy! So that's what they did with all the metal they bought off of US junkyards!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:06:52 AM EDT
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:08:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Looks like the Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport



Yep, looks just like a knock-off of the older Isuzu Rodeo. Seeing as how they steal others designs (since they have no such creative ability of their own), I would be supprised if it wasn't an exact likeness.

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:08:59 AM EDT
Can I buy one with a family discount?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:09:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.



Not that bad. 40 mph on a full sized truck frame?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:10:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:18:13 AM EDT by Torf]

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.



You would be very wrong. I suspect that IIHS crash tests are done on these vehicles as well and the test results are probably available to you.



Dodge Ram 1500: Good
Ford F-150: Good
Chevy Silverado: Marginal

Details on Chevy test: The Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500 were redesigned during the 1999 model year (the old design continued into the early part of the 1999 model year).

Restraints/dummy kinematics — Dummy movement wasn't well controlled. After the dummy moved forward into the airbag, its head dropped down below the window sill. Then the head rebounded upward and hit the shoulder belt housing, which is mounted directly to the seat back. There was far too much upward movement of the steering wheel. Also, the driver seat came loose on one of its tracks and moved rearward slightly on the right side, where the safety belt buckle is anchored.

Injury measures — Measures taken from the dummy indicate a low risk of any significant injuries in a crash of this severity. Head acceleration from the belt housing hit was low.


As you can see, even at a marginal rating, the occupants would be very unlikely to sustain more than minor injuries. Put that in your American car hating pipe and smoke it.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:12:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bookertbab:
Will they be selling those at Wal-mart?

Would anyone in America buy a chinese automobile?



6 packs I think it'll be, but at costco

looking at that picture, I sure as hell wouldn't be riding in it.

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:12:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bookertbab:
Will they be selling those at Wal-mart?

Would anyone in America buy a chinese automobile?



They already buy cars from the Korean auto industry... which had somewhat rocky start (and still somewhat questionable quality).
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:13:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Looks like the Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport

I definitely see the Isuzu influence.

Oh, look at the windshield wipers on the Toureg at the moment of impact.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:14:32 AM EDT
Well what do ya know...


Forbes Article


Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:15:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Looks like the Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport



Yup, I owned one of those a while back...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:18:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shootemup:
Looks like the Isuzu Rodeo or Honda Passport



Indeed.

Those things would roll over at the drop of a hat. Not something I would drive....
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:18:08 AM EDT
EEK!! The damn roof is peeling back, what is that thing held together with, twist ties?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:18:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.



I believe you would be losing that bet.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:19:32 AM EDT
What do you want for a car you can buy brand new off the shelf at Wal-Mart for $800 bucks?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:21:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:22:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.




Here are the front impact test ratings of the vehicles you mentioned, they pass that test easily.

Ford F150's have a Good "best pick" rating by Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Dodge Ram's also have a Good rating by Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Chevy Tahoe has a rating of 4 by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:24:16 AM EDT
40mph is quite fast for a crash...

I'd like to take the time to point out that the 'auto/oil industry conspiracy theorists' keep talking about this 'SUV that gets 40mpg in China but isn't sold in the USA'...

(not necciarily referring to this model)

Maybe, that's because the Chinese do not have US safety & pollution requirements to deal with, ya think?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:24:42 AM EDT
Wow, that is bad. They better put a warning with it when you get one in your Happy Meal
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:26:14 AM EDT
The Ford F-150 2 and 4 door models and the Dodge Ram 1500 are all 5 star front crash ratings.

The Chevy Tahoe and the VW Toureg are both 4 star front ratings.

The Lakewind would be well below that.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:28:32 AM EDT
I hope the Landwind becomes popular with Chinese military folks.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:29:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
40mph is quite fast for a crash...

I'd like to take the time to point out that the 'auto/oil industry conspiracy theorists' keep talking about this 'SUV that gets 40mpg in China but isn't sold in the USA'...

(not necciarily referring to this model)

Maybe, that's because the Chinese do not have US safety & pollution requirements to deal with, ya think?



Safety? What is that?

Pollution? What is that?

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:30:22 AM EDT
China is fairly new to the car manufacturing industry. Think of all the years of trucks that did the same thing in America, Japan, and Europe before they started making them pass more and more tests. China is very good at building and replicating other things. I bet they pass it next time (something that took America more then a decade)
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:32:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Luxan:
China is fairly new to the car manufacturing industry. Think of all the years of trucks that did the same thing in America, Japan, and Europe before they started making them pass more and more tests. China is very good at building and replicating other things. I bet they pass it next time (something that took America more then a decade)



Hah! I could build one that would pass in my basement! Just like that Neutron device...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:34:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kill-9:
I hope the Landwind becomes popular with Chinese military folks.

Hehe, wouldn't it be hilarious of the Chinese resorted to car-bomb attacks and got stopped by our temporary barriers.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:35:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gunman0:
What do you want for a car you can buy brand new off the shelf at Wal-Mart for $800 bucks?



I'll wait until its marked down to $400 on clearance and then pick one up. Might make an entertaining reactive target, ya know?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:36:55 AM EDT
Not supprising. Didn't they just steal copy the GM HUMMV? GM is not fairing well in Chinner...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:41:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:48:10 AM EDT by mayday]

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.




Here are the front impact test ratings of the vehicles you mentioned, they pass that test easily.

Ford F150's have a Good "best pick" rating by Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Dodge Ram's also have a Good rating by Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Chevy Tahoe has a rating of 4 by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration



...you sure about that? Even a MINI did better that a FORD F150. Sorry to break it to you but the older F150 is a deathtrap.


www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150



I guess thats the difference between good vs. bad engeneering...but please keep fooling yourself, I'll stick to my 540i

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:47:29 AM EDT
haha Jiangling motors? Is that for the sound that their cars make when they crash?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:47:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 9:48:21 AM EDT by Tonster]
They had an article in Autoweek a few months back...
The Chinese had copied/knocked-off a Rolls
www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102271
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:48:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By quattro:
Landwind Crash Test Pics

and it's only at 40mph!




They've got people to spare......
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:52:27 AM EDT
yeah, to them its just population control
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 9:58:32 AM EDT
Gee, a chinese-badged Rodeo, what a fuckin' surprise..
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 10:11:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TwoTwentyThree:
yeah, to them its just population control



not sure if they need that in the Netherlands though ... the first major market for them.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 10:17:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:
Looks like a Nissan Pathfinder (older model).

Doesn't really surprise me. Typical Chinese "let's reverse engineer something for much cheaper than the original product" garbage.




The newspaper said GM claims Jiangling's Land Wind has the body of the Frontera, a car made until two years ago in Luton, near London.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 10:27:41 AM EDT
It just goes to show how much engineering there is in an automobile that you can't see. The chinese could copy the Toureq down to the last screw and it still wouldn't perform the same. They still wouldn't know the specs on the steel that was used in each of the parts, the methods of forming the parts, including surface treatments and heat treatments, nor would they know how the welds were made.


All that is stuff they will have to engineer for themselves. It will take time, and lots of failures, just like every other car manufacturer has to go through.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 10:59:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 11:06:54 AM EDT
Would you really buy a SUV made in China?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 11:08:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Weiseguy:
It just goes to show how much engineering there is in an automobile that you can't see. The chinese could copy the Toureq down to the last screw and it still wouldn't perform the same. They still wouldn't know the specs on the steel that was used in each of the parts, the methods of forming the parts, including surface treatments and heat treatments, nor would they know how the welds were made.


All that is stuff they will have to engineer for themselves. It will take time, and lots of failures, just like every other car manufacturer has to go through.

I remember a review of a Norinco clone of an Ithaca 37. The reviewer said it felt like a well-broken in Ithaca (specifically with 10 years of hard use), he even broke out the calipers and measured parts, they were sized as if the weapon were copied from a well-worn gun, nothing matched a brand-new Ithaca.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 11:12:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
40mph is quite fast for a crash...

I'd like to take the time to point out that the 'auto/oil industry conspiracy theorists' keep talking about this 'SUV that gets 40mpg in China but isn't sold in the USA'...

(not necciarily referring to this model)

Maybe, that's because the Chinese do not have US safety & pollution requirements to deal with, ya think?



Yeah, and if you make a car out of tin and balsam wood, the weight reduction will results in much better gas mileage.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 12:15:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mayday:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.




Here are the front impact test ratings of the vehicles you mentioned, they pass that test easily.

Ford F150's have a Good "best pick" rating by Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Dodge Ram's also have a Good rating by Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Chevy Tahoe has a rating of 4 by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration



...you sure about that? Even a MINI did better that a FORD F150. Sorry to break it to you but the older F150 is a deathtrap.


www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150

img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/burleysmythe1/f150.jpg

I guess thats the difference between good vs. bad engeneering...but please keep fooling yourself, I'll stick to my 540i




A Mini weights a lot less than a F-150, and therefor has a lot less kinetic energy to deal with. A F-250 with its thicker frame rails would stand up much better to a crash for it weight.

Though I would also stick to my 540i, if I had one
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 12:23:01 PM EDT


Buster!?!?!? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 12:25:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:

Originally Posted By ClayP:
I would bet a fair amount that a Ram, F150, or Tahoe would fare no better.



You would be very wrong. I suspect that IIHS crash tests are done on these vehicles as well and the test results are probably available to you.



Dodge Ram 1500: Good
Ford F-150: Good
Chevy Silverado: Marginal

Details on Chevy test: The Chevrolet Silverado 1500 and GMC Sierra 1500 were redesigned during the 1999 model year (the old design continued into the early part of the 1999 model year).

Restraints/dummy kinematics — Dummy movement wasn't well controlled. After the dummy moved forward into the airbag, its head dropped down below the window sill. Then the head rebounded upward and hit the shoulder belt housing, which is mounted directly to the seat back. There was far too much upward movement of the steering wheel. Also, the driver seat came loose on one of its tracks and moved rearward slightly on the right side, where the safety belt buckle is anchored.

Injury measures — Measures taken from the dummy indicate a low risk of any significant injuries in a crash of this severity. Head acceleration from the belt housing hit was low.


As you can see, even at a marginal rating, the occupants would be very unlikely to sustain more than minor injuries. Put that in your American car hating pipe and smoke it.



did you not see the pictures of the F150? any person in there would be fucked. do some research and you will see that a lot of vehicles do poorly in this test.
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