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Posted: 9/28/2004 2:37:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:38:54 PM EST
I ran a couple hundred rounds through 4 or 5 of them at SHOT 2004. I would like to have one.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:39:47 PM EST
No...but I want one now.

Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:40:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:41:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I ran a couple hundred rounds through 4 or 5 of them at SHOT 2004. I would like to have one.




How would you compare it to a .308 AR10?



I have never fired an AR10, so i cannot compare th two. sorry.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:48:09 PM EST

From a purely aesthetic point of view, I do not like the free floating rail system on those. I would want one without that, were I ever to buy one.

Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:53:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 2:56:00 PM EST
How about a simple A3 upper with a 16" barrel. No bells or whistles.... I'd rather have stainless than chrome.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:00:51 PM EST
Does anyone have a actual pic of a 6.8 round. Im curious to see what it looks like.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:03:38 PM EST
Well, I have a 6.8 upper. But NO DAMN AMMO.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:04:27 PM EST
Did anyone ever figure out the mag situation?

How many rounds can the .223 mags be made to hold and still allow reliable operation of the weapon?

Are there going to be hi-caps available for civvies?

Without a good supply of hi-caps, I just don't see this ever becoming a commercial success. Mil or LE, maybe, but even then only for small groups.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:05:01 PM EST
I like the way the "LE" version looks better.

I want it.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:07:03 PM EST
It will be a consideration when mags and ammo become more available.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:07:25 PM EST
Way too expensive.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:07:36 PM EST
Vaporware.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:07:57 PM EST
Bravo Company has bare-bones (though still nice and accurate) uppers for a LOT less:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=221874

I'm thinking of getting one of the 20" ones - and eventually swapping out some components as time and $$ permit.

Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:10:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 3:24:41 PM EST by DScott]
Also, if the 6.8 is still under .30 cal., wouldn't that still be illegal for hunting bigger game animals in some places?



Never mind my stupid questions if you want to, I'll never be able to own one in CA regardless. I couod buy the upper, I assume, but the mags kill the deal unless they make 10 rounders...

ETA: Mags are available here...

Steel 10 rounders, $41 each...
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:15:38 PM EST
Interesting, but I think I'm going to go with the AR10
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:17:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:20:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By DScott:
Also, if the 6.8 is still under .30 cal., wouldn't that still be illegal for hunting bigger game animals in some places?



Never mind my stupid questions if you want to, I'll never be able to own one in CA regardless. I couod buy the upper, I assume, but the mags kill the deal unless they make 10 rounders...




Naa... Most places with restrictions say the caliber has to be .243 (6mm) or larger.

Kent
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:23:52 PM EST
PRI makes 10 round mags, and hicaps too. They are pricey, One 10-Rounder cost me over $40.00 delivered.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:24:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:26:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Is it just me or are they charging over a grand for a complete lower?



Thats what it looks like. Way overpriced IMO.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:35:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By newbushmaster:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Is it just me or are they charging over a grand for a complete lower?



Thats what it looks like. Way overpriced IMO.


That is a big reason that I'm thinking of the 10.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:35:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By newbushmaster:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Is it just me or are they charging over a grand for a complete lower?



Thats what it looks like. Way overpriced IMO.


Even if you knock off the 400 dollar SIR, that's still a grand for the upper.
I want one, but an AR10 is a great bargain by comparison.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:36:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:39:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:43:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 3:43:27 PM EST by Wobblin-Goblin]
I'll take a Bushy .308 AR instead. Tens of millions of FAL mags around, and ambi controls. Not to mention .308 ammo is literally everywhere.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:50:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Stryfe:

Originally Posted By newbushmaster:

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Is it just me or are they charging over a grand for a complete lower?



Thats what it looks like. Way overpriced IMO.


Even if you knock off the 400 dollar SIR, that's still a grand for the upper.
I want one, but an AR10 is a great bargain by comparison.




I don't really have a problem with the price of the upper, but the lower costs $1,000. Even if it has a two-stage trigger similar to the KAC, it is still overpriced by $450-$500.


www.Model1Sales.com also sells a 6.8SPC upper, for around $400.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 3:51:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 3:56:33 PM EST by poppinsexz]
I have a m1s car upper and have shot it quite a few times working up loads
It shoots just like any other AR no more recoil than the 5.56 just bigger holes

Don't wait for ammo-reload

It is a 270 cal round about 1/2 the way between 5.56 and 308
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 4:02:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 4:03:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 4:04:45 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 4:06:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 4:11:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 5:07:13 PM EST
For the cost of that upper, I could get a complete DPMS AR10 in 7.62x51. Another alternative would be to get an OLY .243 WSSM upper that lists for $672. http://www.olyarms.com/usa.html


Winchester just introduced the 25 WSSM in the same case size that duplicates the .25-06 which is no slouch. http://www.winchester.com/marketing/newitems/whatsnewcontent.aspx?productid=17 Hopefully, Winchester will keep scaling the WSSM family up so that we get 6.5~>7mm members. A 264 WSSM that is actually on the shelf, will blow away the Keyboard Kommando's 6.8SPC vapourwarez.

I'm going to sit this one out for a couple of months to see what shakes out. But I am seriously looking at a 25WSSM upper, but hoping for a 264WSSM to appear.

My 2¢,

wganz

Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:05:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:37:57 PM EST
I've got about 500-600 rounds through my MSTN upper. It has much less recoil than an AR10. A 18" 6.8SPC with a brake feels kind of like a 16" 5.56 with a plain muzzle.

If you're in Northern Colorado and want to shoot one, send me some email.

-z
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:40:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:
I've got about 500-600 rounds through my MSTN upper. It has much less recoil than an AR10. A 18" 6.8SPC with a brake feels kind of like a 16" 5.56 with a plain muzzle.

If you're in Northern Colorado and want to shoot one, send me some email.

-z



[size six]ROAD TRIP!![/size six]


I am waiting for a 6.8mm MRP. LMT says they will be available when ammo is readily available, which is perfect timing!
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:46:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 7:46:56 PM EST by Zak-Smith]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
ROAD TRIP!!

I am waiting for a 6.8mm MRP. LMT says they will be available when ammo is readily available, which is perfect timing!



Uh Oh, I better start loading NOW!

The irony of what LMT said is that it could mean 1 month, 9 months, or never.

-z

ETF: speeling
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:48:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zak-Smith:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
ROAD TRIP!!

I am waiting for a 6.8mm MRP. LMT says they will be available when ammo is readily available, which is perfect timing!



Uh Oh, I better start loading NOW!

The irony of what LMT said is that it could mean 1 month, 9 months, or never.

-z

ETF: speeling



Yeah, If I have to wait too long I will buy the MRP and the bolt, then have the barrel re bored down at Olympic Arms.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 7:51:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 7:53:27 PM EST by wildearp]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I ran a couple hundred rounds through 4 or 5 of them at SHOT 2004. I would like to have one.




How would you compare it to a .308 AR10?



Unless the ammo is processed in military volumes, I would bet it compares to the .308 by being a much more expensive cartridge that has a very inferior range and balistics at 800+ meters.

Designer cartridges. Kinda like all of those WSSM thingees.

Just wear your old dress. Get some new shoes. You will still get some pie.
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:16:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 8:20:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By DScott:
Also, if the 6.8 is still under .30 cal., wouldn't that still be illegal for hunting bigger game animals in some places?





Unlikely, as .270 and .243 are legal pretty much everywhere...

But why buy a non-general-issue, rare cartridge anyway?

9mm
5.56
.308
.50BMG

Who needs anything else?
Link Posted: 9/28/2004 9:32:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2004 9:35:03 PM EST by Buck_Naked]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By DScott:
Also, if the 6.8 is still under .30 cal., wouldn't that still be illegal for hunting bigger game animals in some places?





Unlikely, as .270 and .243 are legal pretty much everywhere...

But why buy a non-general-issue, rare cartridge anyway?

9mm .45 ACP
5.56
.308
.50BMG

Who needs anything else?


Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:06:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/29/2004 6:07:56 AM EST by DScott]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By DScott:
Did anyone ever figure out the mag situation?

How many rounds can the .223 mags be made to hold and still allow reliable operation of the weapon?

Are there going to be hi-caps available for civvies?

Without a good supply of hi-caps, I just don't see this ever becoming a commercial success. Mil or LE, maybe, but even then only for small groups.



·Dual Spring Extractor System
·Muzzle Brake
·Folding Front Sight and Gas Block
·30 Round Magazine
·Two-Stage Trigger
·Law Enforcement and Military Configurations Available
·ARMS® Selective Integrated Rail (SIR) System Fore End
·ARMS® Folding Rear Sight




I saw that, and wonder who is making the OEM mags. Barrett? Are the PRI mags aftermarket?

I'm wondering about the commercial/civilian market and the viability of this weapon system... .gov and .mil will always get what it needs, at least for the high speed boyz. Even still, can it ever completely replace the 5.56 AR system?

Do you think this weapons system will ever gain enough momentum among civvies and achieve adequate sales volume so these can come down in cost to near 5.56 AR15 levels?

Ignoring the dumb state laws prohibiting hi-cap mags for a moment, how long before there are enough mags in the system to approach the price points we are seeing 5.56 AR stuff at?

Or will this always be a specialized weapons system- i.e., stays at low volume, high cost?
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:35:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Drakich:
Well, I have a 6.8 upper. But NO DAMN AMMO.

Ditto, whole rifle, no ammo.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:37:18 AM EST
15 and 25 rounds mags from PRI currently cost about $38. If you look at the manufacturing steps required vs. USGI mags, you can see why they will be inherently more expensive. They are steel with flat-ground welds, instead of overlapping spot welds like USGI mags have.

If you look at 6.8 like "308 that fits in an M4 / AR15", the costs are not out of line with AR10 or M1A components.

If appreciable numbers of LE departments adopt it, the adoption / cost model could look like 40SW: 15 years after introduction, once-fired brass is essentially "free" and cases of new commercial loaded ammo are available from many sources.

-z
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 4:23:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By wganz:
For the cost of that upper, I could get a complete DPMS AR10 in 7.62x51. Another alternative would be to get an OLY .243 WSSM upper that lists for $672.

My 2¢,

wganz




Good grief what a stupid argument. You could probably get 1,000 Lorcins too.



Hmmm.. Let me get this straight.
It is dumb to get a complete rifle for $1000 that does have ammo available and is sub MOA capable, but it is smart to get an upper for 50% more that doesn't have ammo available for it.

It is dumb to get an upper for $672 that does have ammo available and is sub MOA capable, but it is smart to get an upper for 100% more that doesn't have ammo available for it. BTW, when I was at the local fun shop this weekend, they had .243 WSSM on the shelf and they didn't have 6.8SPC.

Hey, if you want to slap down those Uncle Bens for a safe queen upper in the vapourware caliber of your choice; this is America and you can do it. Personally, I'm either going with the DPMS AR10 or wait to see if OLY brings out an upper in 25WSSM that ballistically exceeds my .257 Roberts. Either way, there is ammo available for either one.

wganz



P.S. I was actually thinking of getting a boat load of Kal-Tecs for that much $.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 6:27:47 PM EST
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