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Posted: 12/19/2003 2:46:30 PM EDT
It does NOT violate separation of church and state.
New York City Chancellor Joel Klein has ruled that a nativity scene is banned from school displays, while the Jewish Menorah and the Islamic Star and Crescent are allowed. According to the chancellor, the Menorah and the Star and Crescent are religious symbols, but they are permitted because each demonstrates a "secular dimension." In Palm Beach, Florida, they're displaying a Menorah on government property and refuse to display a Nativity scene in the same place. Palm Beach town attorney John Randolph said case law shows that when a menorah is placed next to a secular symbol -- such as a 'secular holiday tree' -- it isn't considered a religious symbol." The county attorney says he doesn't think the government can force the town to display the Christian symbol beside the Jewish one. Now everyone knows I am not a big crusader or defender of the Christian religion but C'MON. 1. Christmas has become much more than the religious holiday. It is on many levels 'secular' and the nativity scene just shows the roots of the holiday. 2. The menorah, unlike a Christmas tree (which has pagan roots and can be completely disassociated from the Christian religion), is ABSOLUTELY a specific religious symbol related directly to the story of Hannakah. I know plenty of non Christians, and even jews, with a tree. I have NEVER seen a non jew with a menorah. And the idea that a Islamic star and cresent are NOT directly related to Islam is absurd. That is why it is called a ISLAMIC STAR AND CRESENT! 3. Hannakah and whatever the Muslims celebrate are NOT historical American holidays. The Christians got here first and established the heritage. If jews or arabs largely created this country it would be very different, they didn't please get over it. America is free and you can celebrate Hannakah, Kwanza or whatever silly ass religion you feel like celebrating BUT they are not equal to and should never take precedence over Christmas as a national holiday and heritage. I am getting really, really tired of this crap. |
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You've been [b]PUNK'D[/b]!!!!
See what all that love and brotherhood bullshit gets you??? Everyone walks all over you and then shits on the host country. It happens becuse you let it happen. The earth will inherit the meek. |
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Quoted: You've been [b]PUNK'D[/b]!!!! See what all that love and brotherhood bullshit gets you??? Everyone walks all over you and then shits on the host country. It happens becuse you let it happen. The earth will inherit the meek. View Quote "I" let it happen?!? Love and brotherhood....me?!? Fuck you. [:D] |
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Quoted: an View Quote A American Holiday (present tense). Example: You Are [b]A[/b] Dick. |
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Quoted: Quoted: You've been [b]PUNK'D[/b]!!!! See what all that love and brotherhood bullshit gets you??? Everyone walks all over you and then shits on the host country. It happens becuse you let it happen. The earth will inherit the meek. View Quote "I" let it happen?!? Love and brotherhood....me?!? Fuck you. [:D] View Quote |
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Yes, you see where those numbnuts from 'People For The American Way' lead us, do you not?
It's the same direction that the ACLU has been pushing for years. And not a lover of the RKBA in those entire groups. If they ever praised the Founding Fathers' decision to protect the RKBA, you might think that they were honest. But when they adamantly refuse to even consider the RKBA as a genuine personal right of each and every citizen, it puts into clear perspective that their clamor, their zeal, their singlemindeness in protecting citizens from government's sanction of anything remotely Christian are all driven by motives that are not very good at all. I am amazed that this is not clear to y'all. It is not a true 'separation of church and state' that these folks desire. It is only a 'separation of Christ and state.' Christmas simply chaps their 'collective right' asses. Eric The(AndILoveThat!)Hun[>]:)] |
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To the left, every religion [b]except[/b] Christianity is wonderful. There will eventually be a backlash. Things could get ugly.
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I think this is actually the result of a wacky Supreme Court decision regarding school (or some other public government place) nativity scenes somewhere in Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh I think, I don't know much about what the star and crescent means, but I sure don't get the distinction between a nativity scene and the Menorah. They seem like they play the same role in each religion.
Anyway I think the Supreme Court, not the NYC school district, is the culprit here. I think I can find it, but I can't link to it off Lexis and don't want to cut and past it, I'll look on the web for it. Found it [url]http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com-END Of Script Attempt- s/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=492&invol=573[/url] This decision certainly does not support the NYC school district's stance, but I am suspicious that an inaccurate reading of this decision played some role in NYC's stupidity. |
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I was under the assumption that modern Christmas is a combination of Christian and Pagan traditions. The time of the year and using decorated trees are examples of the Pagan influence. Celebrating the birth of Christ and giving to others is the Christian influence. Wasn't Yule originally a Celtic tradition? People liked to so much that when Christianity came along, they merged the 2 in order to please everyone as well as introduce the new religion? I'm not 100% sure, but that's what I recall. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Quoted: Quoted: You've been [b]PUNK'D[/b]!!!! See what all that love and brotherhood bullshit gets you??? Everyone walks all over you and then shits on the host country. It happens becuse you let it happen. The earth will inherit the meek. View Quote "I" let it happen?!? Love and brotherhood....me?!? Fuck you. [:D] View Quote lol--< insert flippin' the bird smiley> Not "you" specifically. Unless your just now getting around to being offended. I'm saying the whole -unity/were all the same in god's eyes/liberal bs -is what got us into this position intially. To late now. The genie's out of the bottle. (plz note subtle symbolism) |
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Quoted: To the left, every religion [b]except[/b] Christianity is wonderful. There will eventually be a backlash. Things could get ugly. View Quote and conversely, on the right... The Taliban and Saudis are bad because they force you to follow Islam but, It's heritage when we make Christian holidays part of our public school system. Any chance that a Jew, Jehovah's Witness, Muslim or atheist has to sing Christmas carols as part of their education doesn't seem to bother them a bit. Now, before you go on a screaming hissy over the difference between the Taliban and a Christmas pageant, I already know the difference. I pointing out that often individuals of a religion are usually tolerant of other religions as long as it is the one they follow. Flame on. and no, I'm not an atheist or a liberal, so please move on from that thought. |
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I thought the date for Xmas and Easter were set by the (western) church in 320 CE??
Remember that not everyone uses the same calender. [url]http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/easter.html[/url] ********************************************* "The New International Dictionary Of The Christian Church, by J.D. Douglas, 1974, page 322, gives this information about the Christian celebration called Easter: EASTER. The celebration of Christ’s resurrection. Although the Scriptures make no provision for the observance of Easter as the day of resurrection, all the evidence suggests that the celebration of the death and resurrection of Christ began at a very early date in the history of the church, probably as early as the apostolic age. It would seem also that the Christians of the first century consciously sought to create a Christian parallel to the Jewish Passover, since the close relationship between the significance of that event in the O.T. and the crucifixion in the N.T. made a transformation of that Jewish feast into Easter both logical and easy. After a.d. 100, Easter, Pentecost, and Epiphany became the final parts of the church year. EASTER does not come from the Scriptures! This PAGAN CUSTOM has another source. As we have read: There was a transformation of the Jewish Feast (Passover) into Easter. Remember though, this was done by man ......" |
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Quoted: Quoted: an View Quote A American Holiday (present tense). Example: You Are [b]A[/b] Dick. View Quote [size=2]INDEFINITE ARTICLE[/size=2] [b]A / AN[/b] Use 'a' with nouns starting with a consonant (letters that are not vowels), 'an' with nouns starting with a vowel (a,e,i,o,u) Examples: [b]A[/b] boy [b]An[/b] apple [b]A[/b] car [b]An[/b] orange [b]A[/b] house [b]An[/b] opera NOTE: An before an h mute - an hour, an honour. A before u and eu when they sound like 'you': a european, a university, a unit |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: an View Quote A American Holiday (present tense). Example: You Are [b]A[/b] Dick. View Quote [size=2]INDEFINITE ARTICLE[/size=2] [b]A / AN[/b] Use 'a' with nouns starting with a consonant (letters that are not vowels), 'an' with nouns starting with a vowel (a,e,i,o,u) Examples: [b]A[/b] boy [b]An[/b] apple [b]A[/b] car [b]An[/b] orange [b]A[/b] house [b]An[/b] opera NOTE: An before an h mute - an hour, an honour. A before u and eu when they sound like 'you': a european, a university, a unit View Quote Except.... history, historical. |
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Since the "a" refers to Holiday, which does not have a silent "h," I believe that "a" is correct, not "an."
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[url]http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html[/url]
... If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immedately follows the article: a broken egg an unusual problem a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with consonant 'y' sound) ... |
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[i]all I want for Christmas is for everybody that doesn't like or believe in Christmas to,[/i]
[size=6][red]KISS MY ASS[/red][/size=6] |
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Quoted: [i]all I want for Christmas is for everybody that doesn't like or believe in Christmas to,[/i] [size=6][red]KISS MY ASS[/red][/size=6] View Quote That's very Christian of you. |
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Thank you, Johnny.
I am just tired of the way things have become. It seems like everything I was raised on is now offending somebody. For example: "One nation, under God" The Ten Comandments "In God We Trust" Prayer or flying Old Glory in response to 9/11 and now, Christmas. So, if my beliefs or flag offends anyone, and I'm not to blame, nor am I sorry for what I believe, all I can say is, KISS MY ASS. Get the picture, or are you one of the offended? |
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Quoted: [url]http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html[/url] ... If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immedately follows the article: a broken egg an unusual problem a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with consonant 'y' sound) ... View Quote OK let's try this: You are A asshole. You are An asshole. I believe both are correct given specific usage. |
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Quoted: Thank you, Johnny. I am just tired of the way things have become. It seems like everything I was raised on is now offending somebody. For example: "One nation, under God" ... View Quote The line about god was added in the 40's or 50's. I just don't care for how people tend to forget the 'real' history/origin of things and lie about it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: [url]http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html[/url] ... If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immedately follows the article: a broken egg an unusual problem a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with consonant 'y' sound) ... View Quote OK let's try this: You are A asshole. You are An asshole. I believe both are correct given specific usage. View Quote Hey, I'm not an asshole [:)]. And the only place both would be acceptable would be in a trailer park! |
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Quoted: Thank you, Johnny. I am just tired of the way things have become. It seems like everything I was raised on is now offending somebody. For example: "One nation, under God" The Ten Comandments "In God We Trust" Prayer or flying Old Glory in response to 9/11 and now, Christmas. So, if my beliefs or flag offends anyone, and I'm not to blame, nor am I sorry for what I believe, all I can say is, KISS MY ASS. Get the picture, or are you one of the offended? View Quote No, I think you should have all of those things. I also don't think you should be able to push them on those that don't want it. See my first post. |
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I know many atheist and agnostics who still celebrate Christmas.
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Quoted: I know many atheist and agnostics who still celebrate Christmas. View Quote I know of a Jew that puts up and tree and hands out presents. They do it on December 25th when everyone else does it. They aren't Christians, they just enjoy having a tree and handing out gifts. Sort of strange, but nobody is forcing them to do it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: [url]http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html[/url] ... If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immedately follows the article: a broken egg an unusual problem a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with consonant 'y' sound) ... View Quote OK let's try this: You are A asshole. You are An asshole. I believe both are correct given specific usage. View Quote Not really. "You are an asshole." would be correct, whereas "You are a asshole." is not. But, if you were to refer to SNorman as "...a pulsating, malignant asshole.", the indefinite article 'a' would be the correct choice since it points to the first adjective, 'pulsating', and not the noun directly. Now, wasn't that simple? [:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: [url]http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html[/url] ... If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immedately follows the article: a broken egg an unusual problem a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with consonant 'y' sound) ... View Quote OK let's try this: You are A asshole. You are An asshole. I believe both are correct given specific usage. View Quote No sir, what would be correct is: You are a [b]flaming[/b] asshole and You are an asshole. Dang, somebody beat me to it! [banghead] |
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I got into this with a Jewish co-worker a week or so ago. He's one of those people who gets all shitzed up whenever ANYONE says "Merry Christmas" at work or if (God forbid) they actually post an email mentioning "Just in time for Christmas - bookstore having a sale".
Since we're state employees - he throws a conniption fit and starts posting all sorts of Supreme Court decisions that have nothing to do with merely [i]mentioning[/i] that Christmas is approaching. My response to him (which fell on deaf ears) is the same as my response to anyone who has a problem with public/gov't recognition of "Christmas": [size=4][b]IT'S A FEDERAL FUCKING HOLIDAY!!![/B][/size=4] [stick] [b]It says [url=http://www.opm.gov/fedhol/2003.asp]right here[/url] - [b][size=3]"Christmas Day"[/b][/size=3] Not "Hanukka" Not "Kwanzaa" Not "Ramadamadingdong" It says [b][size=3]"Christmas Day"[/b][/size=3] It's a FEDERALLY-RECOGNIZED holiday so cities should be able to celebrate it any fucking way the people want to just like any other FEDERALLY-RECOGNIZED holiday!!! If they want to have a parade for Veteran's Day - no one's forcing you to march. If they want to play the National Anthem and shoot fireworks for Independance Day - no one's forcing you to stand and salute. If they want to hold a solemn vigil for Memorial Day - no one's forcing you to attend or hold a candle. And if they want to put up a Nativity for Christmas - no one's forcing you to bow and pray to baby Jesus. So if you got a problem with that - write your Congressman fuckwad but leave us normal people alone!!! [chair] |
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Wow, since Mr. Aug is so filled with love for Christians this holiday season, I am going to call the main office in Salt Lake City and get the missionaries over to his house pronto. [:D]
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Quoted: Wow, since Mr. Aug is so filled with love for Christians this holiday season, I am going to call the main office in Salt Lake City and get the missionaries over to his house pronto. [:D] View Quote You might want to send the missionaries out with a backup team. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Wow, since Mr. Aug is so filled with love for Christians this holiday season, I am going to call the main office in Salt Lake City and get the missionaries over to his house pronto. [:D] View Quote You might want to send the missionaries out with a backup team. View Quote LMFAO. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: [url]http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/esl/eslart.html[/url] ... If the noun is modified by an adjective, the choice between a and an depends on the initial sound of the adjective that immedately follows the article: a broken egg an unusual problem a European country (sounds like 'yer-o-pi-an,' i.e. begins with consonant 'y' sound) ... View Quote OK let's try this: You are A asshole. You are An asshole. I believe both are correct given specific usage. View Quote Not really. "You are an asshole." would be correct, whereas "You are a asshole." is not. But, if you were to refer to SNorman as "...a pulsating, malignant asshole.", the indefinite article 'a' would be the correct choice since it points to the first adjective, 'pulsating', and not the noun directly. Now, wasn't that simple? [:D] View Quote Yeah! Hey.... wait a minute... [:)] |
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Quoted: Thank you, Johnny. I am just tired of the way things have become. It seems like everything I was raised on is now offending somebody. For example: "One nation, under God" View Quote Or..... [img]http://www.wikipedia.org/upload/0/00/Onenation.jpg[/img] |
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....getting down just for the funk of it....
Man that is way back. |
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You can't violate something that doesn't exist.
[url]http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html[/url] |
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Quoted: Quoted: an View Quote A American Holiday (present tense). Example: You Are [b]A[/b] Dick. View Quote Present tense has nothing to do with it. "An" generally precedes words that start with a vowel ie AEIOU. "A" generally precedes words that start with a constanant. Your example of "You are a dick." Is correct. However, if you chose to call him an asshole then it would be:"You are an asshole." Oops posted this without reading the whole thread. I see "asshole" has already been specifically addressed. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Wow, since Mr. Aug is so filled with love for Christians this holiday season, I am going to call the main office in Salt Lake City and get the missionaries over to his house pronto. [:D] View Quote You might want to send the missionaries out with a backup team. View Quote shouldn't that be ....You might want to send the missionaries out with [red]an[/red] backup team?[;D] |
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It's much better to have your panties in a bunch than a bunch in your panties.....
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