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Posted: 8/21/2005 6:43:43 PM EDT
WTF?

OKBOMB case now open again, bombing documents ordered turned over to judge

By J.D. Cash

A U.S. District Court judge in Salt Lake City, Utah, has ordered the Oklahoma City FBI office to turn over unredacted copies of all documents currently at issue in a Freedom of Information (FOIA) lawsuit involving additional evidence and the names of additional conspirators in the Oklahoma City bombing case.

According to the judge, the materials would be reviewed in his chambers and then returned to the FBI.

The order could also include evidence in the possession of the FBI that might shed light on the mysterious death of an inmate, Kenny Trentadue, who was being held at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City in 1995.

Contacted about whether the agency would comply with the order or appeal it, FBI Special Agent Gary Johnson made a startling announcement. After declining to comment on the civil matters involved in the Trentadue suit, Johnson said the FBI was currently investigating the April 19, 1995, bombing.

In the past, Johnson has told the media that the FBI was standing by its original investigation. "It was the most experienced and thorough in our history," he said.

The $85 million effort yielded only two federal convictions, Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh. Mike Fortier provided testimony against McVeigh and Nichols in return for a reduced sentence.

Asked how many FBI agents were involved in the renewed effort, Johnson simply commented: "We don't ever disclose that type of information."

Exactly when this investigation was opened and why remains unclear.

In 2000, the head of the original OKBOMB investigation, Danny Defenbaugh, told an interviewer for a documentary film on the subject that, "The FBI will never reopen the case, under any circumstances. Even if McVeigh calls and gives us names," Defenbaugh stated, "we will never reopen it."

A civil suit filed by a Utah attorney may have flushed out new evidence of a wider conspiracy in the bombing, forcing the agency to move forward with a new investigation.

The deceased brother of a murdered inmate, Jesse Trentadue, sued the Oklahoma City FBI office after attempting to obtain documents concerning the death of his younger brother Kenny.

At the time of his death, Trentadue was being held in solitary confinement in the Oklahoma City Federal Transfer Center, pending a hearing on his parole status. The government has since claimed Trentadue killed himself.

Jesse Trentadue, an attorney in Salt Lake City, Utah, claims he has found evidence that his brother was tortured and killed because federal agents suspected him of involvement in the bombing conspiracy in Oklahoma City. Trentadue received the information from a person close to McVeigh, who was waiting execution at the time.

Additional evidence to support this claim could be available soon.

In an order dated Aug. 16, U.S. District Judge Dale A. Kimball directed the parties to appear before him on Oct. 12 to present additional arguments on whether the FBI is entitled to continue withholding evidence it may have of a wider conspiracy in the matter n and much more.

Kimball also ordered the FBI to bring to court all unredacted copies of the documents involved in the litigation for him to review in his chambers.

Trentadue's litigation thus far has uncovered links between McVeigh and several subjects that frequented Elohim City, a paramilitary training camp in eastern Oklahoma.

For a decade since the bombing, senior FBI agents and lawyers for the U.S. Department of Justice have argued that they never had any evidence that persons at Elohim City could be involved with McVeigh or the Oklahoma bombing.

But several weeks ago, a court order from Kimball forced the release of approximately 100 pages of documents by the Oklahoma City FBI office and some do indeed appear to implicate others in the bombing.

However, the FBI has blacked out almost every name in those documents, along with whole sentences of other information regarding an undercover operation the FBI and others were involved with.

In the documents, the FBI also notes the agency is monitoring McVeigh and Elohim City with the help of the Southern Poverty Law Center. The SPLC is a tax-exempt civil rights group that was co-founded by Alabama attorney Morris Dees.

Dees confirmed participation in a covert operation at Elohim City, but refused to elaborate during an interview with this newspaper almost two years ago.

During the course of this litigation, Justice Department lawyers have also argued that the individuals working for the SPLC and the FBI were promised anonymity in return for their undercover work, thus their names were blacked out to protect their identities.

Trentadue has told the court that the public's interest in learning who killed 168 persons and injured 500 more in Oklahoma City in 1995, far outweighs the FBI's interest in protecting the names of its informants n especially those employed by a private organization.

mccurtain.com/articles/2005/08/18/top_story/top001.txt
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 7:03:58 PM EDT
About time.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 8:19:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
About time.





Yep, especially in light of the recent "Able Danger" revelations.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 8:41:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ElevenO:

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
About time.





Yep, especially in light of the recent "Able Danger" revelations.



What does Able Danger have to do with OKC? This is nothing more than one man's attempt to have his brothers' death mean something more than that he dd not want to live. I feel for the brother, but . . . he is spending our cash on his greif.
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 8:57:08 PM EDT
Boy, talk about beating a dead horse!
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 9:51:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2005 5:53:20 AM EDT by ElevenO]

Originally Posted By Jame_Retief:

Originally Posted By ElevenO:

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
About time.





Yep, especially in light of the recent "Able Danger" revelations.



What does Able Danger have to do with OKC? This is nothing more than one man's attempt to have his brothers' death mean something more than that he dd not want to live. I feel for the brother, but . . . he is spending our cash on his greif.





According to some of the press stories (and blogs, for that matter) that I have read recently, "Able Danger" was created around 1996 or so (during the clinton administration). The first attack on the world trade center occurred in either 1992 or 93 (I forget the exact date) and we all know that the first WTC attack was carried out by various members of islamic extremist groups. The OKC bombing occurred in 1995. That begs the question of "what did the government know and when did it know it and why did the pentagon start up the 'Able Danger' group in 1996?" What occurred prior to 1996 that motivated the forming of the "Able Danger" group? At this point, I would find it very difficult to believe the 1st World Trade Center bombing, the OKC Bombing, Able Danger, TWA 800 and the 9/11 operations are not all somehow connected, in some form or fashion, with each other. It ticks me off, too, because while the Clinton Justice & Commerce Departments (primarily with the aid of the FBI and ATF) were chasing down and harrassing gun owners and American militia units, the real threats to this country (i.e. islamic terrorist groups) were laying and setting off traps at our virtual doorstep and the Clinton Administration was doing practically nothing to stop it. Fighting terrorist didn't appeal to soccer moms but the brady bill did. On 9/11, which was a bigger threat to America? Guns in the hands of the average john or jane doe american or islamic terrorists groups residing within our borders?
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 10:12:36 PM EDT
". . . . .The most extensive and thorough investigation in our history!" That just screams to be re-opened!!
Link Posted: 8/21/2005 10:19:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wingman26:
Boy, talk about beating a dead horse!




Horse not dead yet neither is the investigation marsearthconnection.com/okc.htmlpeterlance.comjaynadavis.com
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 2:40:39 PM EDT
They will spend millions more only to conclude that they were right the first time. Sounds like bullshit to me.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 2:45:49 PM EDT
IMO John Doe #2 does exist and was either a Fed setting up a sting that ran away on him or a ROP sleeper.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 2:55:49 PM EDT
I have no documents, no proof, nothing but common sense and a nose that
hasn't failed me yet. I'll go to my grave believing there is more, much more
to the OKC story than we have been told. Ditto for Waco.

DanM
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 3:44:33 PM EDT
Jose Padilla
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 11:00:04 PM EDT
Nothing to see here, move along. We blacked out allll those identities not because Nichols, McVeigh, and Fortier were the only conspirators, but because of a promise to keep a secret.

Yeah, right.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 11:10:11 PM EDT
Were these the same documents that delayed McVeigh's execution?

Sometimes I wonder why McVeigh seemed to be in such a hurry to die. (He waived all appeals)
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 11:12:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Were these the same documents that delayed McVeigh's execution?

Sometimes I wonder why McVeigh seemed to be in such a hurry to die. (He waived all appeals)



He wanted to save the taxpayers' money.
Link Posted: 8/22/2005 11:22:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Painter:
Jose Padilla
www.whatreallyhappened.com/we-compare.gif



I always thought the similarities between Padilla and that John Doe sketch were strikingly similar. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 3:48:04 AM EDT
tag for later this evening.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 5:46:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By Painter:
Jose Padilla
www.whatreallyhappened.com/we-compare.gif



I always thought the similarities between Padilla and that John Doe sketch were strikingly similar. Makes you wonder doesn't it?



Yes.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 5:49:38 AM EDT
Let's loosen the foil hats a little, why don't we?
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 5:56:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 5:57:34 AM EDT
Strapping my foil on firmly....

I wouldn't be surprised if the truth ever comes out, that somehow it was actually muslim terrorists who did it, and in an effort to cover that fact up in order to keep the American people from seeing the truth of islam, patsies were blamed....pure whitebread Americans to ensure that the true perpetrators would not be suspected.

Afterall Clinton, being the liberal socialist that he is wouldn't want America to disparage or condemn any group.....
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