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Posted: 10/29/2004 9:08:31 PM EST
I have told you guys the story of my friend that married this woman who basically had her first son taken away from her and given to her first husband by the state. (17 counts of child abuse) Well, my friend meets this girl, dates her and then gets the bright idea to marry her. They have 2 kids together and he works his ass off as she stays home and refuses to work

EVEN THOUGH She has a court order to pay child support
EVEN THOUGH She has a court order to supply FIRST child with health insurance
EVEN THOUGH her husband has to work 80 hours a week to pay for her wants...
a) new vehicle
b) luxury apartment

So, HER divorce lawyer is owed $15,000. She cant pay. So now because California is a community property state, HE is served papers to appear and pay HER bill. They go to court and guess what? The court orders a levy on his account and to pay the balance of the 15,000 PLUS charge a $4.09 A DAY penalty/interest fee on top of that.

My friend asks the judge WITH HIS WIFE THERE "If my wife and I were to get divorced, do I still have to pay?" Judge says "YES!"

Now this is not the end, you see, the state of CA is paying her ex child support and was garnishing her wages when she worked. Now she is not working but they are still paying the bill every month and sending them a bill... I think it is up to 9,000 from what he told me.

NY State is suing because she has not held up to her divorce agreement to supply her son with health insurance.

My friend now says that he just wants to check out. I asked "How, leave her?" he said "Either that or kill myself"

NOW THERE IS A TOPIC YOU DONT FUCK AROUND WITH ME = SUICIDE.

I told him, "Here is the deal, i need to know how serious are you about suicide?" He said "I'm just blabbering, you know I wouldnt do that" (He knows its a sensetive topic for my best friend killed himself) I then said "Then dont say it motherfucker. Next time you do, there WILL be a call to the local PD and I dont give a shit if that means the end of our friendship"

Ugh...
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:11:46 PM EST
He shouldn't kill himself, he doesn't deserve it.

He should kill his "wife."
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:12:48 PM EST
Think of how many "escorts" he could have bought with that money! He wouldn't need her at all!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:13:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By dskeet:


He should kill his "wife."



WHy?

SHe wasn't the dumbass that married herself.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:15:32 PM EST
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:21:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By dskeet:
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.



Divorce her and declare bankruptcy.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:26:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By smokycity:

Originally Posted By dskeet:
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.



Divorce her and declare bankruptcy.



You know, I think that is the BEST suggestion TO DATE!!!!! Only problem is that he doesnt have the onions to do it.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:26:40 PM EST
um, really he just needs to think about how much better off he is than her.

This won't last forever. Eventually he'll get all this shit squared away.

But she, on the other hand, will still be a loser who can't make her own way in life. W/o him she will whither and die.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:29:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
um, really he just needs to think about how much better off he is than her.

This won't last forever. Eventually he'll get all this shit squared away.

But she, on the other hand, will still be a loser who can't make her own way in life. W/o him she will whither and die.



Or find a new sucker... I have to admit, she sells a good show. When I first met her I thought she was really a nice girl and had her shit together... even told me she was a Conservative. EVERYONE thought she was OK.

ANOTHER point to ponder... All of his friends bailed as well.... I am the last of them.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:29:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 9:32:28 PM EST by Hank_Rearden1]
Dispose of all assets immediately (get his friends to "buy" his stuff); Use cash for disposition of assets for basic expenses, buy home in Canada or gun friendly South American country (Peru is pretty good); quit job; come back to USA in about 8 years. The time will go buy quickly.


Tell him to treat this whole mess like a non-leathal case of cancer, which will require him to make major changes in his life... but in time things will be happy again.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:30:55 PM EST
she probably poisoned all his friends against him.

my sister has an ex like that.

So he just needs to make sure anybody who goes out with her knows what a 4 star bitch she is.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:36:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hank_Rearden1:
Dispose of all assets immediately (get his friends to "buy" his stuff); Use cash for disposition of assets for basic expenses, buy home in Canada or gun friendly South American country (Peru is pretty good); quit job; come back to USA in about 8 years. The time will go buy quickly.


Tell him to treat this whole mess like a non-leathal case of cancer, which will require him to make major changes in his life... but in time things will be happy again.



Not an issue. He has NO guns. This I have to give him credit for. I asked him years ago, why he never bought a gun. he said "With my anger problems... not a good idea"

Hey, you have to admit that when a person knows he flies off the deep end that he shouldnt own a firearm, that is pretty smart.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:40:13 PM EST
I already appreciate my wife. Big time.

Your friend is a class A schmuck. He had to learn the lesson the hard way, and he is. No sympthy here. The biggest decision we ever make is in choosing a mate and some people make bad decisions.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:52:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By smokycity:

Originally Posted By dskeet:
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.



Divorce her and declare bankruptcy.



You know, I think that is the BEST suggestion TO DATE!!!!! Only problem is that he doesnt have the onions to do it.



Too bad child support is not dischargeable in bankruptcy. Not quite sure how it work in his case though--if they were divorced--since he's not the primary obligor.

The only real answer to this is "lawyer up."
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:56:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By JohnTheTexican:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By smokycity:

Originally Posted By dskeet:
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.



Divorce her and declare bankruptcy.



You know, I think that is the BEST suggestion TO DATE!!!!! Only problem is that he doesnt have the onions to do it.



Too bad child support is not dischargeable in bankruptcy. Not quite sure how it work in his case though--if they were divorced--since he's not the primary obligor.

The only real answer to this is "lawyer up."



Well as far as I can see AT THIS POINT he will be responsible for the lawyer case that he lost today AND child support for HIS 2 kids. .... Once again ... AT THIS POINT!

If he lets it go to where NY and CA sue him for HER responsiblities, then he is triple fucked. (or is it quadripled fucked) Either way, He is in a shit hole for AT LEAST the next 17 years, unless he plugs it in her 'man-mit' and has another kid. Then the 18 year obligation resets itself.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:57:58 PM EST
He has 2 kids with her. THEY ARE F*cked!!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:59:12 PM EST
California is a state run by assholes. Therefore, the court system is designed to work best for other assholes.



He could always join the foreign legion.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:59:51 PM EST
well I uess thats the fuckin he gets for the fuckin he got
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:09:24 PM EST
Wow. Tell him to keep his sense of hope by religiously documenting her committment avoiding behavior. Get a good lawyer to do a combination divorce/custody case and file bankruptcy. This will give him a fresh start personally, emotionally, and financially. It MIGHT even dump all the back support issues back in her lap where it belongs!
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:16:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheKill:
Wow. Tell him to keep his sense of hope by religiously documenting her committment avoiding behavior. Get a good lawyer to do a combination divorce/custody case and file bankruptcy. This will give him a fresh start personally, emotionally, and financially. It MIGHT even dump all the back support issues back in her lap where it belongs!



The back support right now is a "HER" issue... but not for long unless he nips this shit in the bud. And you cannot declare child support on a BK as far as I know.

OH and to top it all off... he has been working with his head up his ass that his #1 major account has stopped sending him work because of him screwing up... I see the future and it just does not look good for him.... Not at all.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:17:48 PM EST
many a truth is told in jest.

take him seriously on his suicide threat.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:21:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:
many a truth is told in jest.

take him seriously on his suicide threat.



I agree... I dont know if you guys saw my other post where his wife keeps asking him if he is making his life insurance payments. I dont think L.I. pays on suicide do they? then he would be screwing over his kids two fold... NO dad and NO money.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:22:21 PM EST
That's what he gets for jumping into a relationship with a woman who has serious baggage! He seems like a good guy, but he bought into her misery when he married her.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:23:36 PM EST

I got this one.


He needs to:

Grow a great big ZAPATA mustache.

Get some instant tan.

Buy one of those mexican sombreros.

Trade all of his money into pesos.

Fake his own death.

Dark up with the tan stuff.

Put on the hat. (the mustache will have grown in by then)

And it's off to mexico he goes.

He becomes a towel boy working at an exclusive seaside resort.

Oiling up all of those hot, tight, young white girl tourists on a daily basis.

Relaxing on the beach in the off time.

Cheap drinks.

All of the Mexican food he can eat. (I love mexican food, don't you?)

Living the life of Reilly, ..... er paucho that is.

Hey, ..... it may seem like a stupid plan, .... but it worked for me.

Zen


"This is my sombrero, there are many like it, but this one is mine"

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:23:54 PM EST
I don't often advocate such things, but as he's not a gun lover I can see him starting to think the song "Oh Canada" has a nice ring to it.

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:27:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I don't often advocate such things, but as he's not a gun lover I can see him starting to think the song "Oh Canada" has a nice ring to it.


And take the kids as well.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:30:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I don't often advocate such things, but as he's not a gun lover I can see him starting to think the song "Oh Canada" has a nice ring to it.


And take the kids as well.



Well, yeah. I thought that went without saying. They're his blood after all. Might have to live under the radar in Canada (she might try for a kidnapping charge just to spite him) so a non extradition country may be a wiser choice.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:32:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By david_g17:
many a truth is told in jest.

take him seriously on his suicide threat.



I agree... I dont know if you guys saw my other post where his wife keeps asking him if he is making his life insurance payments. I dont think L.I. pays on suicide do they? then he would be screwing over his kids two fold... NO dad and NO money.



Life insurance will usually pay for a suicide, there is a mandatory 2 year period in most states that it will be contestable (i.e. death benefit not paid) if you off yourself within that 2 year period. Check the suicide clause in your policy.

Just from what I know, I don't condone suicide. Please contact a lawyer now regarding these issues.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:39:07 PM EST
its easy.

He should do the following:

Fake his death by running his car into a canal or off a bridge. Leave all the windows down.
Leave one shoe in the car.

With $5,000, purchase a new identity, it can be done.

Start new life in a state far away.

this will work better if he has never been finger printed.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:56:28 PM EST
Guys remember they have two kids together
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:58:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
Guys remember they have two kids together



Ok, new plan.

He buys three sombreros, a big one and two little ones and ............



Zen


"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:45:02 PM EST
This thread is worthless without pics..
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:45:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By KravMaga:
This thread is worthless without pics..

Why?
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:48:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 12:31:41 AM EST
$15,000??

Hell, for $5,000.00, your friend and I can come to an...arrangement...of sorts...



Link Posted: 10/30/2004 12:45:16 AM EST
legion etranger

2e REP
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 1:13:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/30/2004 1:17:11 AM EST by Synister1]

Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By david_g17:
many a truth is told in jest.

take him seriously on his suicide threat.



I agree... I dont know if you guys saw my other post where his wife keeps asking him if he is making his life insurance payments. I dont think L.I. pays on suicide do they? then he would be screwing over his kids two fold... NO dad and NO money.



No most life insurance policies do not payout unless one can truely make it look like an accident.

Around here, when someone shoots themself they put their cleaning gear out first and then do it. It gets ruled an accident while cleaning.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 1:42:11 AM EST
now thats one guy that needs a SERIOUS DOSAGE of Leykis 101, 97.1fm 3-8pm M-F
"the female commodity is the one item that you continue to pay for even after you no longer own it"



he needs to LAWYER UP then DIVORCE her, before she gets sued again, maybe he can escape any future lawsuits. then get full custody of the kids, and if he owns his own home maybe he can take out some equity or get a bank loan to pay off the other BS and be done with it ASAP.

just when you think your life sucks ....... you find someone worse off
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 2:04:26 AM EST
This entire mess started because he married a woman who lost her kids. She had 17 counts of child abuse. Knowing that, he married her and had 2 more. I don't want to sound unsympathetic, but he made his own problems. Any parent with 17 counts of child abuse needs to be in jail. Why in the world he thought she would suddenly change is anybody's guess. His only good options are most likely better off not posted here.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 3:15:59 AM EST
Have them move to a non-community property state....Appeal the Cali court decision in their new state and chances are VERY good they will be reversed...

Then have them file for divorce and live as "domestic partners" like the gays do if they want to stay together...

He can still provide for his kids, her and they can live happily ever after.....
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 3:23:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By smokycity:

Originally Posted By dskeet:
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.



Divorce her and declare bankruptcy.



Problem is Bankruptcy will not discharge court ordered debts.

Depending on how good a friend he is to you, you might think about helping him out financially, better then the extreme stuff being discussed here, it is only money after all.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:29:34 AM EST


Originally Posted By dskeet:
Thats true.

I have no idea what he should do.



Divorce her and declare bankruptcy.

You know, I think that is the BEST suggestion TO DATE!!!!! Only problem is that he doesnt have the onions to do it.


DrFrige's wife here..
IF he was to do that...there are 2 problems...
1 is he already declared bankruptcy
2 is child support orders can not be put on a bankruptcy and I believe his case for the child support is coming up real soon so, he would be able to divorce her in time....

He's an idiot
She is a psycho
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:36:26 AM EST
Bankruptcy doesn't clear debt owed by child support. My wifes ex tried that. You go to a Fed Court for your bankruptcy hearing. They will clearly state that it does not clear you of child support rearage. You will have to pay it.
The judge saying he owes her child support is kinda fishy sounding. I would get that cleared up by lawyer before dismissing that option.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:03:46 AM EST
Unless the Life Ins. industry has changed things in the last 15 yrs.
Life Insurance will pay after a 2-3yr exclusion rule expires. Depends upon the company.

If those are your friends kids, TOUGH LUCK!
He should pay whatever it takes to support them.
Why should we pay for his foolishness.

I don't want to hear 10yrs form now a sob story about a some poor kid who killed a Liquor store owner for $300 because his father didn't pay child support.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:14:26 AM EST
(Iron Maiden)-"Run to the hills..........Run for your life!"
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:16:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By BigZ:
Unless the Life Ins. industry has changed things in the last 15 yrs.
Life Insurance will pay after a 2-3yr exclusion rule expires. Depends upon the company.

If those are your friends kids, TOUGH LUCK!
He should pay whatever it takes to support them.
Why should we pay for his foolishness.

I don't want to hear 10yrs form now a sob story about a some poor kid who killed a Liquor store owner for $300 because his father didn't pay child support.



You are in NY... You as taxpayers and WE in CA are as well. Socialist states getting involved by paying the bill and they will TRY to collect later. They are now even threatening jail for her if she doesnt pay. He said that he WANTS to see her go to jail but, I know him. He will bail her out at the last second and so the saga continues.

Yes, he knew what he was getting into. He even told me when they met that she like to tell 'stories'...

"NO DUDE! SHE LIES!" big difference... HUGE difference. Telling stories is "I went to the store and saw a Ferrari" a LIE is "I own a Ferrari" when she doesnt.

I took him shooting one day. While on the phone with him he asked me "Is there anything I should bring?" I said "no" THEN in the backround I hear her saying "Are you going to take our gun?" He then says "What are you talking about? You are losing it... we dont own a gun remember?"

This is how bad it is.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:25:04 AM EST
Yep, thanks to the liberal bench appointed over years by liberal Presidents, decisions like this will be made. They like to spread blame around to anyone but those that deserve it.

Vote for GWB.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 9:42:16 AM EST
First, we all make mistakes. So I kinda understand him getting married. However, when stuff like this happens and your true friends show you the truth and you still refuse to do what's best, your a dumbass. If he won't divorce her before her child support becomes his issue then I say screw him. He's made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 12:59:06 AM EST
Taiwan is very foreigner-friendly. If he can stand teaching English to kids, he can make a decent buck. If he has an engineering or tech-industry marketing background, likewise, he can make a decent buck.
Link Posted: 10/31/2004 1:27:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By BigZ:
If those are your friends kids, TOUGH LUCK!
He should pay whatever it takes to support them.
Why should we pay for his foolishness.

I don't want to hear 10yrs form now a sob story about a some poor kid who killed a Liquor store owner for $300 because his father didn't pay child support.



Ahh dude learn to friggen READ.

She had a kid in a previous marriage, The kid was awarded to that man after they divorced.

She failed to pay child support to CA for the child that is with her ex-husband.

Drfridge's buddy married her and has since had 2 kids. Now CA is going after HIM for the money SHE owes the state of CA for the child support they paid out to her ex.

Link Posted: 10/31/2004 2:51:07 AM EST
Stay and fight the bitch, she has already lost once and is paying child support, always avoid any woman who doesnt have custody of her own children, something is fucked up right there. Contact the ex he may be an excellent witness to help prove she doesnt need kids being she is a fucking loon
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