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Posted: 12/11/2003 11:20:23 AM EDT
CCW Was passed by the legislature, now it's going to the Governors's desk!
The following is from the statewide CCW organization "Ohioan's for Concealed Carry."
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CONCEALED CARRY IS NOT DONE YET -- WE NEED YOUR GRASSROOTS HELP


Ohioans For Concealed Carry, and the Ohioans For Concealed Carry PAC,
have created a GRASSROOTS ACTION GUIDE and we need everyone receiving
this to read it and follow the directions. (Details below)

As you already know the Ohio House and Senate have finally passed a
concealed carry bill -- When the Speaker of the House and President of
the Senate sign the bill and send it to the Governor it will be
considered an "Act".

The Governor may sign this Act into law or veto it within the next ten
days (not including Sundays).

If ten days, not including Sundays, pass and the Governor has neither vetoed or signed the Act it shall become a law without the Governor's
signature. (There is no such thing as a pocket veto in Ohio. Lack of
action on the Governor's part results in the Act becoming a Law, unlike
federal legislation which would default to a veto).

If the Governor does nothing, the law is filed with the Secretary of
State and becomes effective 91 days after filing.

This entire legislative process can be found in a flow chart on our website:

http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=3&categories=The+Ohio+Legislative+Process

For those of you who can't cut and paste the URL, you can also click here:

http://tinyurl.com/ys1f

Ohioans For Concealed Carry needs your help to make sure this act
becomes a law. Please do your part by reading the Grassroots Action
Guide here:

http://www.ofccpac.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6

WE NEED YOU TO:

- CALL YOUR GOVERNOR -- Tell the call takers in a very polite tone of
voice that you want this Act to become law, and that you want Governor
Taft to either sign it or let it become law without his Signature.

-Emplor the Governor to not veto the bill over one minor provision.

-Tell the Governor that the public records issue should NOT be more
important than saving peoples lives.

-Tell the Governor, if he feels so strongly about public records, to
allow the bill to become law, and come back in January to lobby the
legislature for changes.

-Do not argue over specifics, the language of the Act can not be changed
without starting over from scratch and the call taker can't do much to
help you.

Make it clear that you want the Act to become law, and that is all
you're calling about.

Governor Taft's Office: 614-466-3555


- CALL YOUR SENATOR -- The Ohio Senate is where the veto override fight
will be the hardest to accomplish. You MUST call your Senator. Ask
them if they voted for HB12, then thank them if they did. Tell them
that you feel it is vital that HB12 become law, and tell them that you
would really like to see them vote to override Governor Taft if he vetos
this legislation.

You can identify your Senator's telephone number by going to
http://www.OhioCCW.org/alet.php and filling out the very brief form.
While this link will let you write an email, please disregard that
feature and USE THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS to make a phone call to your
Senator immediately.

Senate President White's Office can be reached at 614-466-8082, and
remember, please be polite regardless of whom you're calling in
Columbus. Your impression is vital to the success of this effort.

As always, please check http://www.OhioCCW.org regularly for updates and
changes to strategy. If you have not shared this information with five
to ten of your friends, TODAY is the day to do it.



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Link Posted: 12/11/2003 11:36:51 AM EDT
Repost...
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 11:57:34 AM EDT
This is going to be interesting. If Taft signs, I believe the legislature has the votes to override his veto. I don't think they want to do it since it will look ugly; but if it comes to push and shove, I think they will. I spoke in private at a Republican dinner with my state representive who is 100% behind CCW. I told my story of our arson case and the two months of hell when we had to go through when we no idea who tried to burn us to the ground. For two months we didn't know if someone was going to snatch our child off the playground or mug Mrs. Ramjet at the mall. We carried wherever we went. Personally, I think our Governor is an first class, clueless ass that is so out touch with the electorate on the subject of CCW, it's just not amusing anymore.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 12:08:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2003 12:54:37 PM EDT by jerry48430]
Hey Ohio, I don't know if this will help but it is close enough that it might. http://www.mlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-17/1070808782230560.xml?fljournal?NEF CCW law looks like winner Weapon carriers do little to alarm officials GENESEE COUNTY THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION Sunday, December 07, 2003 By Ken Palmer JOURNAL STAFF WRITER It does prove a point. Not everyone that has a permit is a nutcase. edit to add another artice posted http://www.mlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1070987052124270.xml?fljournal?NEE
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 12:32:21 PM EDT
i hope it gets an approval nod
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 12:57:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2003 3:43:10 PM EDT by cyanide]
I fear the Governor does not care what the citizens of his state want, a friend called his office to log in his feelings on the CCW issue (he was polite), the woman on the end of the phone, just kept saying what's your point, what's your point, they have their mind made up, and he is courting LEO voters for his next political endeavor.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 2:47:34 PM EDT
This needs to be tacked for the rest of the Ohio gang that frequents here. I don't know what in the world to think about Taft. He has been a big disappointment for a pretty brilliant guy. The only opposition to CCW that I am aware of is the Ohio State Highway Patrol and they cannot be enough votes in that body to make an any difference. The State Highway Patrol argues that it will put their officers at additional risk. There may be an ever so small truth to that statement but I've never seen or heard a fact presented to support it. I believe that they are at risk everyday and the person who will gun down an officer would do it anyway with or without CCW. I do not think this will go down without a fight.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 3:09:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ramjet: This needs to be tacked for the rest of the Ohio gang that frequents here. I don't know what in the world to think about Taft. He has been a big disappointment for a pretty brilliant guy. The only opposition to CCW that I am aware of is the Ohio State Highway Patrol and they cannot be enough votes in that body to make an any difference. The State Highway Patrol argues that it will put their officers at additional risk. There may be an ever so small truth to that statement but I've never seen or heard a fact presented to support it. I believe that they are at risk everyday and the person who will gun down an officer would do it anyway with or without CCW. I do not think this will go down without a fight.
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The part about Officer safty is moot, no other states that have CCW report Officers being shot by law abiding citizens.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 3:26:53 PM EDT
Taft - Another one giving the Republicans a bad name in the name of guns.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 3:35:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 3:41:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2003 3:41:54 PM EDT by Leisure_Shoot]
Originally Posted By Ramjet: The State Highway Patrol argues that it will put their officers at additional risk. There may be an ever so small truth to that statement but I've never seen or heard a fact presented to support it. I believe that they are at risk everyday and the person who will gun down an officer would do it anyway with or without CCW.
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so the argument is that the slight risk to officers (that's subjective) is more important than the risk to us unarmed non-officers (civilians)? [BS]
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 3:54:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 6:41:22 PM EDT
Ohio House of Representatives 125th General Assembly Regular Session HB12 - Aslanides License to carry concealed handguns Yea: 70 Nay: 27 Not voting: 2 PASSED Yea: 70 Allen (D) *Aslanides (R) *Blasdel (R) Book *Buehrer (R) *Callender (R) *Calvert (R) *Carano (D) *Carmichael (R) *Cates (R) Cirelli (D) *Clancy (R) *Collier (R) *Core (R) Daniels (R) *DeWine (R) *Distel (R) Domenick (D) *Evans C. (R) *Faber (R) *Fessler (R) *Flowers (R) *Gibbs (R) *Gilb (R) *Grendell (R) *Hagan (R) *Hartnett (D) Harwood (D) *Hollister (R) *Hoops (R) *Hughes (R) *Husted (R) Jolivette *Kearns (R) *Latta (R) Martin (R) *McGregor (R) *Niehaus (R) *Oelslager (R) *Olman (R) *Patton T. (R) *Peterson (R) *Raga (R) *Raussen (R) Redfern (D) *Reidelbach (R) *Reinhard (R) *Schaffer (R) *Schlichter (R) *Schmidt (R) Schneider (R) *Seaver (D) *Seitz (R) *Setzer (R) *Sferra (D) *Smith G. (R) Stewart D. (D) *Stewart J. (R) *Taylor (R) *Trakas (R) Wagner (R) *Walcher (R) *Webster (R) *White (R) *Widener (R) *Williamowski (R) *Williams (R) *Wilson (D) *Wolpert (R) Householder (R) Nay: 27 Barrett (D) Beatty (D) Brinkman (R) Brown (D) Chandler (D) DeBose (D) DeGeeter (D) Driehaus (D) Jerse (D) Key (D) Kilbane (R) Koziura (D) Mason (D) Miller (D) Otterman (D) Patton S. (D) Perry (D) Price (D) Skindell (D) Smith S. (D) Strahorn (D) Sykes (D) Ujvagi (D) Widowfield (R) Woodard (D) Yates (D) *Young (R) (pro-CCW, considered bill too liberal) Not Voting: 2 *Boccieri (D) Evans D.
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 6:41:54 PM EDT
Ohio State Senate 125th General Assembly Regular Session HB12 Concealed handguns - license to carry Yea: 25 Nay: 8 Absent: 0 Excused: 0 Ineligible: 0 PASSED Yea: 25 Amstutz (R) Armbruster (R) Austria (R) Blessing (R) *Carey (R) Carnes (R) *Coughlin (R) Dann (D) DiDonato (D) Fedor (D) Gardner, Randy (R) Gardner, Robert (R) Hagan (D) *Harris (R) *Hottinger (R) Jacobson (R) Jordon (R) Mumper (R) Nein (R) *Schuler (R) *Schuring (R) Stivers (R) Wachtmann (R) Zurz (D) White (R) Nay: 8 Brady (D) Fingerhut (D) Goodman (R) Mallory (D) Miller (D) Prentiss (D) Roberts (D) Spada (R)
Link Posted: 12/11/2003 7:16:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2003 7:18:15 PM EDT by glimmerman68]
Just said on the news that the legislator has enough votes to override. That's right fuck you Bob. [size=6]YEAH BABY!!!!!!![/size=6]
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 4:59:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB: yeah...like taft won't veto it for the fourth time!
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I hate Taft, and I don't doubt that he'll come through on his promise, but this is the first CCW to actually make it to him. (According to radio news, anyway.) Scott
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:07:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:09:07 AM EDT
yup, they can over ride him, ha!
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:14:30 AM EDT
I thinking Siberia, fucktard. Have you ever noticed he just can't hide the fact he's lying??? He's got he word crook written all over him.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:37:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: Nay: 8 Brady (D)
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I couldnt help but notice that one. What do you expect from Sarah? BTW, I just called, I didnt get the evil witch, though we have talked before. She must be from the Brady bunch. An agent in his office. This was a friendly younger woman. "I need my Governor to either sign this bill into law [b]OR[/b] keep his hands in his pockets and let it happen like the will of the assembly". "We are experiencing a very high volume of calls on this". "Has he stated an intention as of yet?" "Veto. But, he is being kept aprised of the call totals". "If he signs this my Republican butt will be working hard to send him packing. He has OSP protection, his life is worth no more than yours or mine. If he continues to block our fundamental right to self defense, he needs to be put on the unemployment line". "Thanks for your call" "Thank you".
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 5:45:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: Nay: 8 Brady (D)
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I couldnt help but notice that one. What do you expect from Sarah? BTW, I just called, I didnt get the evil witch, though we have talked before. She must be from the Brady bunch. An agent in his office. This was a friendly younger woman. "I need my Governor to either sign this bill into law [b]OR[/b] keep his hands in his pockets and let it happen like the will of the assembly". "We are experiencing a very high volume of calls on this". "Has he stated an intention as of yet?" "Veto. But, he is being kept aprised of the call totals". "If he signs this my Republican butt will be working hard to send him packing. He has OSP protection, his life is worth no more than yours or mine. If he continues to block our fundamental right to self defense, he needs to be put on the unemployment line". "Thanks for your call" "Thank you".
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Like I said his office just doesn't care, he is an asshole.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:17:49 AM EDT
Speaking of assholes: "I DO NOT support the CCW bill passed in Ohio" [url]http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=205662[/url] (there's one at every party)
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:48:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 6:52:53 AM EDT by Ramjet]
If Taft does veto this bill, I can tell you from my point of view that the grassroots Republicans will turn on him like a pack of dogs. Because of this issue, he'll damage a good part of the Ohio Republican Party and that doesn't sit well for us ground troops (the small people who run for public office). Ohioians want this and it's guaranteed in our constitution. Heck, the grassroots are pissed off enough with the way he tanked the state economy. But what's he got to lose if he vetoes? It not like he will have another term as Governor.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 6:57:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 6:57:56 AM EDT by illigb]
Patton is my Representative and Spada is my Senator. Patton is a co-sponsor of HB12, so he supported it. Spada is among the only 2 Republicans in the Senate to vote no on it. I called Spada's office and voiced my opinion. The staffer was as receptive as a prison guard... RINO, I guess.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 7:04:00 AM EDT
Call the governor & ask about reciprocity with neighboring states :D
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 7:09:54 AM EDT
Taft is another one of those Bill McCain,"Zombie,walking-brain-dead"Republicans.He gives a shit about re-ellection and sucks big monies asshole.He is a dummycrap wannabe.He has shit on the taxpayers of this state at every opportunity.The only reason I voted for the man is that he said he was a republican and supported ccw.Another lying stinking piece of shit ass wipe dickless fucking Bill Klinton ass hole sucker.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 8:13:52 AM EDT
I called Taft's office, Sen. Pres. White, and Diana Fessler (my Rep). My senator (Tom Roberts-D) voted against HB 12 so don't see any point in calling him. Everyone should call senate president Tom White's office and encourage him to have the courage and find the votes to override Taft's veto in the senate. It seems the house is willing and able to do that. Doug White: 614-466-8082
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 8:19:07 AM EDT
Good luck Ohio guys. Colorado, the home of Columbine, just got state wide CCW this year. Amazingly the liberals & police were wrong and there haven't been cops killed or firefights after traffic accidents since it passed.
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 8:46:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2003 8:48:56 AM EDT by sniper1az]
Taft is just another asshole in a suit! He cares nothing for the people of Ohio. And the Ohio State Highway Gestappo just might have to start treating people like citizens instead of criminals on the run! Bastards in grey cars! This is another reason I moved to the Great Free State of Arizona 25 years ago. Not that we don't have our problems with that Liberal bull dyke bitch of a Gov. that we have. And she would love to change our gun laws. But it's written into our laws that she can't change them. And no county or city can write any laws IN ADDITION or to change our state laws. And our laws state that with CCW you can carry concealed . But with out a CCW , you can still carry on your person only openly. You can also have a locked & loaded 45 in your glovebox or your door pocket in your car and be totally legal to do so with or without a CCW. Ain't this a great place???
Link Posted: 12/12/2003 8:51:48 AM EDT
Open carry is perfectly legal in Ohio, too--I've been doing it for a couple months. Not in the car, though. And there are some local ordinances prohibiting it, but they would likely not stand up to judicial scrutiny given the recent state supreme court ruling.
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