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Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:00:12 AM EST
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@SpeedTriple556

Is the Obsidian average quiet, or stupid quiet on that?
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Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:03:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dog1:



I'm seriously considering a k model
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Originally Posted By Dog1:
Originally Posted By PeteyPete:
I’m struggling not to buy a second one  for the truck.



I'm seriously considering a k model

Exactly!  Get the whole family.  AP5, AP5-P, AP5-M.  Are you kidding me?  These prices hovering $1k for each?  Buy!  Buy! Buy!  They are beautiful and clean and work!
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:06:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
“That $1100 gun you’re interested in is no good, you should buy a $5000 gun.”
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But that clone slap aint as good as an HK SLAP! Ja?!

Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:11:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dino1:
Couldn’t decide between the full size or the K so I bought both.
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LOL me too. I love the full-size. This will be here Monday.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:11:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ReSSurrected:
@SpeedTriple556

Is the Obsidian average quiet, or stupid quiet on that?
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I don't have experience with other 9mm suppressors or PCCs, but I think it sounds great with subs on my AP5.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:27:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SpeedTriple556:


I don't have experience with other 9mm suppressors or PCCs, but I think it sounds great with subs on my AP5.
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Originally Posted By SpeedTriple556:
Originally Posted By ReSSurrected:
@SpeedTriple556

Is the Obsidian average quiet, or stupid quiet on that?


I don't have experience with other 9mm suppressors or PCCs, but I think it sounds great with subs on my AP5.


@jasonttka you have that video with the heavy subs in your mp5+obsidian?
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:33:44 AM EST
[#7]
Definitely buy one. You can buy all three models for the price of one sp5.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:36:17 AM EST
[#8]
I have two of the earlier MKEs imported by Zenith. A full-size and a K. The full size runs like a raped ape. The K had to have the extractor replaced to run reliably, which cost me around $3 and two minutes of my time. I have had both for years and they have had plenty of range time. Just use either MKE or HK mags for best performance.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:49:15 AM EST
[#9]
I have a Zenith that only reliably runs with POF or HK mags. But it does work well suppressed and unsuppressed. The trigger is also lighter than other clones’ triggers.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 6:53:00 AM EST
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I didn’t have experience with the platform and had though all the talk was just hype. With the Core prices I gave it a shot so I could see for myself. Sold my AR9 and my Stribog will be gone soon as well. Only a few mags through it but it was super smooth. I though I’d want to change the handguard and add an optic but I really like it just the way it is.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:00:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By waz0wski:
yes

ETA: make sure to set it up for peak operational operations

https://distortion.io/i/5BdjJW.jpg
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I have one of those aimpoints, found it at a yard sale. The field of view sucks
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:06:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: LibertyPilgrim] [#12]
Be responsible. Spend on ammo, food, hand pump/water, tools, mags, books, SKILLS, pilots license etc.

Assuming you already have 87 gtg guns.


Eta books.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:12:28 AM EST
[#13]
Will it work with a sear pack?
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:17:58 AM EST
[#14]
I cant ever justify a pcc…

Id buy 300bo ammo instead for a 8in upper.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:20:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FloridaMan11b:
I cant ever justify a pcc…

Id buy 300bo ammo instead for a 8in upper.
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I can

Shoot a 9mm and a 300BO unsuppressed and in a house.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:20:20 AM EST
[#16]
Can someone post a link to these. I’m having trouble finding the original thread listing them for sale. Bought an MKE full-size back in 2010 I think and it’s been good to go. Might get a k for fun.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:26:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BWood:



I can

Shoot a 9mm and a 300BO unsuppressed and in a house.
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Or just get a can

Subsonic 9 and 300bo wont be much different without one.
Supers obviously would be much louder with the 300bo.
The controls, trigger and rail space is always better on the AR platform too. Plus cheaper mags, parts and tools for the AR platform.

If you want something light weight for a woman then the pcc is the way to go for sure.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:26:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: Knoxp9090] [#18]
My AP5-P has been great.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:33:25 AM EST
[#19]
If you get one you have to get one of these magazines

Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:34:37 AM EST
[#20]
Where’s the best deal on one? I have a friend who is looking to buy. Thanks!
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:36:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 303_enfield:
Will it work with a sear pack?
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This does definitely add to the equation.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:51:44 AM EST
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Originally Posted By UnknownPatriot:
Where’s the best deal on one? I have a friend who is looking to buy. Thanks!
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@UnknownPatriot
I got my k here.  No sales tax is like getting 10% off for TN residents.
https://www.familyfirearms.com/product-search-results?search_text=Ap5+

ETA:@ropin4gold
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 7:55:10 AM EST
[#23]
Are there any braces for the P/K model that look decent?
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:03:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By UnknownPatriot:
Where’s the best deal on one? I have a friend who is looking to buy. Thanks!
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Take your pick
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:09:29 AM EST
[#25]
Battlehawk has all AP5 core models in stock. They are good to go.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:19:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By UnknownPatriot:
Where’s the best deal on one? I have a friend who is looking to buy. Thanks!
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@unknownpatriot

Atlantic Firearms has the best deals by far.

Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:27:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By LibertyPilgrim:


This does definitely add to the equation.
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MKE, POF, and HK SP5's all have carrier blocks to prevent installation of a FA carrier ....it's not a "drop in" thing.

It's funny how many people seem to have 35-40 thousand dollar HK sears/packs, and are on the fence about buying an 1199.00 "clone"
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:32:14 AM EST
[#28]
Dahlonegaarmory.com
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:44:36 AM EST
[#29]
Yes, yes you should
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:52:37 AM EST
[#30]
Thank y’all! I sent him the link. Looks like the $200 rebate is still good though august 31.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:56:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By UnknownPatriot:
Thank y’all! I sent him the link. Looks like the $200 rebate is still good though august 31.
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Rebate only works on the $1600+ AP5s. The core models $1200- do not get the rebate.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:56:44 AM EST
[#32]
Unless FA I don't see the point.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 9:59:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By fuzzy03cls:
Unless FA I don't see the point.
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Binary is pretty sweet. Have you shot a semi MP5?
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 10:26:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By fuzzy03cls:
Unless FA I don't see the point.
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Lol..like your post...
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 10:33:33 AM EST
[#35]
They’re a hell of a lot of fun. Definitely add one to your collection if you can.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2022 10:39:54 AM EST
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That's hot
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 10:50:46 AM EST
[#37]
Now I want a MP5K clone! Thanks guys
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 10:55:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cancard:


@unknownpatriot

Atlantic Firearms has the best deals by far.

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Atlantic definitely doesn't have the best deals on these. They are a fair amount more.

Family Firearms, Dahlonega Armory, and Battlehawk seem to be the three with the best prices. The prices seem to fluctuate regularly with these guys. Sometimes multiple times a day. So keep checking in and order when the price is low.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:01:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 303_enfield:
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Yes and no. In the traditional sense, no. However, TPM Machine has a trip lever design that will allow them to work without removing the blocks. Their conversion seems to be difficult to obtain.  

Otherwise no. They have a semi auto bolt carrier, and a block preventing you from installing a full auto carrier. They also have an additional block preventing you from installing a full auto trigger pack. Zenith requested the ATF's opinion on removing these when they were importing the MKE guns, and the ATF's opinion is that removing either of these blocks constitutes manufacturing a post 86 machine gun. Regardless of if you have a full auto sear installed or not.

So unless you have an SOT and are able to manufacturer post 86 machine guns, or you go with one of the trip lever designs, the answer is no, you cannot legally run a sear in these.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:24:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Intune69:

@UnknownPatriot
I got my k here.  No sales tax is like getting 10% off for TN residents.
https://www.familyfirearms.com/product-search-results?search_text=Ap5+

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Does your dealer not charge the tax, or are you your own dealer?
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:28:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: networkguru] [#41]
I dig the AP5-m.
Can anyone give an opinion on the best feature/value to price for the different models?

Some don't qualify for the rebate and some do.

This model looks good and also shows to qualify for the rebate but perhaps its extra upgrades are just a waste?

https://www.familyfirearms.com/product/ap5-m-pist-9mm-blk-4.5-brace-hg6036b-n#product_detail
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:37:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Punisher:
MP5 clones suck. That’s why I own 3 of them.

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My too.
Two AP5 and one of their "K" shorty versions. Good fun and they luv the cheap steel case ammo.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:38:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Skullsoldier:


Literally not a single thing you said was correct. We are all stupider for having read this. Congrats.
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Originally Posted By Skullsoldier:
Originally Posted By Wolfy42:
Buy a real HK.  Many of the clone are either cosmetically deficient or mechanically not competent.

The POF guns especially have issues.


Literally not a single thing you said was correct. We are all stupider for having read this. Congrats.

A simple 'wrong' would've done just fine...


Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:40:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 1Tribe:


Might as well go all in and get a BFS-III trigger pack too
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I forgot i have an (Octane), but I'd want another.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:40:41 AM EST
[#45]
Everyone needs an MP5. Or a clone. They’re fantastic.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:43:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By networkguru:
I dig the AP5-m.
Can anyone give an opinion on the best feature/value to price for the different models?

Some don't qualify for the rebate and some do.

This model looks good and also shows to qualify for the rebate but perhaps its extra upgrades are just a waste?

https://www.familyfirearms.com/product/ap5-m-pist-9mm-blk-4.5-brace-hg6036b-n#product_detail
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I am in the same boat while looking at the differences. Seems to be primarily you get a muzzle device, sling, rail, extra mag, cleaning kit and a case?
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 11:59:37 AM EST
[#47]
Nobody ever yelled Yippie-Ki-Yay Mother Fucker while yielding a CZ Scorpion or Keltec sub 2000.


Link Posted: 7/30/2022 12:02:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gerkyn:


I am in the same boat while looking at the differences. Seems to be primarily you get a muzzle device, sling, rail, extra mag, cleaning kit and a case?
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Originally Posted By Gerkyn:
Originally Posted By networkguru:
I dig the AP5-m.
Can anyone give an opinion on the best feature/value to price for the different models?

Some don't qualify for the rebate and some do.

This model looks good and also shows to qualify for the rebate but perhaps its extra upgrades are just a waste?

https://www.familyfirearms.com/product/ap5-m-pist-9mm-blk-4.5-brace-hg6036b-n#product_detail


I am in the same boat while looking at the differences. Seems to be primarily you get a muzzle device, sling, rail, extra mag, cleaning kit and a case?




Are you going to run a suppressor? Will you swap out the brace with another? Think you save $120 just by buying the core model with out the brace.
I bought one of each with the braces figuring I may just keep them as is. May get a collapsible for the K at a later date.
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 12:09:35 PM EST
[#49]
If you dont have one yet, then yes, absolutely
Link Posted: 7/30/2022 12:13:16 PM EST
[#50]
I have a PTR 9CT and love it. The ETS mags even work fine, though I bought more metal mags. I'm kicking around buying the 5" now.
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