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Posted: 8/16/2004 3:45:51 PM EST
SOUTH BEND, Ind. A man says he thinks South Bend police overreacted when they used a stun gun on his 65-year-old father after he wandered into a busy street.
Police Capt. John Williams says the officer had no way of knowing that Thompson Thewo has Alzheimer's disease.

Thewo is from Zambia and was visiting family members in South Bend.

A South Bend officer shot Thewo with a Taser when he refused to come out of the street. Thewo's son, Matthew, says his father suffered deep cuts to his face, a fractured arm and a dislocated elbow when he fell.

Matthew Thewo told the South Bend Tribune for a story today that he thinks police were too aggressive.

Williams says the man could have been more seriously injured if the officer had not prevented him from walking into traffic. He wasn't arrested.

Thewo's son said he wandered away from a relative's house while his wife was on the telephone.


http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=2170876
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 3:48:44 PM EST
knowing NOTHING more about this story than what I read, I'd say sue his ass. I've seen a few dozen alzheimers patients and while some of them seemed crazy as shit, NONE of them were robust enough to be threatening....

as usual, there is another side to this story, but knowing just this, tazering an old alzheimers man is wrong.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 3:48:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 3:51:34 PM EST
Cmon, its easy to make mistakes when the adrenilin is flowing from being slowly attacked by a feeble old man!
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 3:54:01 PM EST
Hey, if the old man don't wanna play nice, he gets the juice.

Tasers aren't cheap, and dammit, we need to use them on something.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 3:56:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 3:57:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:00:45 PM EST

I know a lot of LEOs. And I would bet the bank none of them would take over-reactionary steps like that SBPD fella did.


Sincerely, you are right. My problem, and the problem that many future victims share with me, is that we can never tell when we meet up with that bastard cop that will hurt us for nothing. Got any advice on how to avoid that, other than shooting cops on sight?
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:01:29 PM EST
Probably easier to knock him on his ass than go and drag him in. More fun too
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:06:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:10:49 PM EST
It's fairly clear isn't it?

HOW DO WE, THE PEOPLE, TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GOOD COPS AND THE SHIT STAINS THAT DO SHIT LIKE THIS?

Or do you just propose that we keep bendng over and taking it in the ass from those sworn to "protect and serve"?
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:11:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:11:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 4:17:11 PM EST by jtw2]

Originally Posted By Q:
SOUTH BEND, Ind. A man says he thinks South Bend police overreacted when they used a stun gun on his 65-year-old father after he wandered into a busy street.
Police Capt. John Williams says the officer had no way of knowing that Thompson Thewo has Alzheimer's disease.

Thewo is from Zambia and was visiting family members in South Bend.

A South Bend officer shot Thewo with a Taser when he refused to come out of the street. Thewo's son, Matthew, says his father suffered deep cuts to his face, a fractured arm and a dislocated elbow when he fell.

Matthew Thewo told the South Bend Tribune for a story today that he thinks police were too aggressive.

Williams says the man could have been more seriously injured if the officer had not prevented him from walking into traffic. He wasn't arrested.

Thewo's son said he wandered away from a relative's house while his wife was on the telephone.


http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=2170876



ya think?

Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:12:55 PM EST
Yeah, I think.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:13:43 PM EST
Somebody call Johnny Cochran!
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:16:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By crashburnrepeat:
knowing NOTHING more about this story than what I read, I'd say I don't know enough about the incident to comment.

Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:16:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:17:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 4:20:39 PM EST by Q]
Apparently you are part of the problem. You won't answer the question and you play the victim game.

Again, how do we tell a good cop from the JBT swine?

EDIT:

Oh yeah, cops are not government officials.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:19:50 PM EST
Dupe of Airwolf's thread, and good to see Q is in his usual state of mind.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:20:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:21:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Dupe of Airwolf's thread, and good to see Q is in his usual state of mind.



Good to see you in your usual state of mind supporting gov crime.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:24:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Q, check your IM



Check your own pig. You refuse to answer the question, that makes you something less IMO.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:25:09 PM EST
Someone put a quarter in Q.



ibtl, +1, etc.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:25:54 PM EST
If you can read (unlikely) you can see I "advocate" killing no one, but was just asking a question that you ain't got the nut sack to answer.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:29:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:33:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:34:31 PM EST
tag. +1 ibtl
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:37:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:38:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 4:39:26 PM EST by MT_Pockets]
I think the public school teachers need tasers....

MT

Poor old man...what was he doing ??? selling crack?
Oh wait J-Walking?

Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:38:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q:

Oh yeah, cops are not government officials.




Good to see you in your usual state of mind supporting gov crime.


Make up your mind.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:44:32 PM EST
Here's the problem: I have seen officers on this board claim that according to their departmental use of force matrices, the Taser is the next step after verbal command.

Gee, I guess that makes sense now, huh?
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:48:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By Q:

I know a lot of LEOs. And I would bet the bank none of them would take over-reactionary steps like that SBPD fella did.


Sincerely, you are right. My problem, and the problem that many future victims share with me, is that we can never tell when we meet up with that bastard cop that will hurt us for nothing. Got any advice on how to avoid that, other than shooting cops on sight?



Q, to be honest, it does sound like a resort to shooting law enforcement officers "on sight" if there was no other option.

If I'm misinterpreting that, then please clarify your statement.



Tazing an old man, in this case, is a crime. IMO. Since you refuse to answer my question about how to tell a good cop from a bad cop, then you have no currency with me. If people cannot be safe from the "police" in this country anyway, they have a right to defend against them, using deadly force if needed. YOU ARE THE ONE STARTING THIS SHIT, NOT ME. Since you cannot or will not give an answer on how to tell those kind of cops apart, then I can say we have a right to defend in all cases. You are part of the problem with your us vs them mindset.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:52:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:53:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q:

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By Q:

I know a lot of LEOs. And I would bet the bank none of them would take over-reactionary steps like that SBPD fella did.


Sincerely, you are right. My problem, and the problem that many future victims share with me, is that we can never tell when we meet up with that bastard cop that will hurt us for nothing. Got any advice on how to avoid that, other than shooting cops on sight?



Q, to be honest, it does sound like a resort to shooting law enforcement officers "on sight" if there was no other option.

If I'm misinterpreting that, then please clarify your statement.



Tazing an old man, in this case, is a crime. IMO. Since you refuse to answer my question about how to tell a good cop from a bad cop, then you have no currency with me. If people cannot be safe from the "police" in this country anyway, they have a right to defend against them, using deadly force if needed. YOU ARE THE ONE STARTING THIS SHIT, NOT ME. Since you cannot or will not give an answer on how to tell those kind of cops apart, then I can say we have a right to defend in all cases. You are part of the problem with your us vs them mindset.




How do you tell the average dude on the street apart from a mugger/thug/rapist etc? You don't, you have to wait until they do something to let you know that they're scum. Same situation here. There's no secret marking on the overly agressive cops that he can tell you about.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:54:43 PM EST
her is the full story not a snipit of it -

Taser used on confused patient
Police say action taken to keep man safe as he walked in middle of busy intersection.

By PATRICK M. O'CONNELL
Tribune Staff Writer

SOUTH BEND -- A man with Alzheimer's disease who was wandering amidst traffic in the middle of a busy street suffered multiple injuries when a South Bend police officer used a Taser on him Friday night while attempting to coax him to safety.

Thompson Thewo, 65, suffered deep cuts to his face, a fractured arm and a dislocated elbow after the officer tried to keep him out of the Ironwood Drive and Lincoln Way East intersection.

Thewo hurt his face during a fall after he was hit by the first of two Taser probes, then suffered the arm injury when the officer attempted to handcuff him, his son Matthew Thewo says.

Police defended the officer's actions, saying there was no way to know the man was an Alzheimer's patient and that he could have been more seriously injured if the officer had not prevented him from walking in front of traffic.

On Wednesday, Thompson Thewo, visiting the United States from Zambia and staying with family members while he received treatment for Alzheimer's, required surgery to insert metal pegs into his elbow.

"To me, they were way too aggressive with him," Matthew said. "They need to use good judgment when they're looking at someone in the street. If this had been a bad guy and then they had Tasered him, then that's a different story.

"If he had been aggressive or shoved (the officer), then OK, then I can see why they did that. But he was just walking away, and I don't think that's justification for using a stun gun," Matthew said.

But police spokesman Capt. John Williams said the officer, a 13- or 14-year veteran, did what he needed to do to keep Thewo out of harm's way.

"I'm sure that by him Tasering that fellow, that was a last resort," Williams said. "You can take that to the bank."

The police report states the officer repeatedly called for Thewo to come out of the street, but he kept walking north on Ironwood, nearing the Lincoln Way East intersection. The officer tried to handcuff him and pull him back from traffic, but Thewo pulled away and the officer deployed his Taser.

Thewo fell to the ground, but then began to walk away toward traffic. The officer again used his Taser, then called for an ambulance.

"The officer, as far as I'm concerned, didn't do anything wrong," Williams said. "How are we supposed to know that he's an Alzheimer's patient? He was Tased once he put up a struggle."

Thewo was not arrested or charged with any crime, Williams said. Matthew Thewo said his father wandered away from his brother's house while his mother was on the telephone.

The incident has cost the Thewo family about $10,000, Matthew said, because of the trip to the emergency room, additional medical care and changes to travel plans.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:55:46 PM EST
And as I told you, I advocate shooting criminals. Still, you refuse to answer MY question about how to tell criminal cops apart from the good cops. Perhaps there is no difference.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:57:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 4:58:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:01:08 PM EST

How do you tell the average dude on the street apart from a mugger/thug/rapist etc? You don't, you have to wait until they do something to let you know that they're scum. Same situation here. There's no secret marking on the overly agressive cops that he can tell you about.


Please, convince me that you aren't that fucking stupid?

Do muggers/thugs/rapists//etc? have the authority to make you stop your car? Do they have the right to search your house with PC? Can thugs call for back up and kick your door in and do what their warrant says?

Sincerely, you are a lying police apologist in the same league as john Kerry. Comparing common thugs to police who hace the law on their "side". You are are a simple minded, and, part of the problem in this country.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:02:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 5:03:15 PM EST by Red_Beard]

Originally Posted By Q:

How do you tell the average dude on the street apart from a mugger/thug/rapist etc? You don't, you have to wait until they do something to let you know that they're scum. Same situation here. There's no secret marking on the overly agressive cops that he can tell you about.


Please, convince me that you aren't that fucking stupid?

Do muggers/thugs/rapists//etc? have the authority to make you stop your car? Do they have the right to search your house with PC? Can thugs call for back up and kick your door in and do what their warrant says?

Sincerely, you are a lying police apologist in the same league as john Kerry. Comparing common thugs to police who hace the law on their "side". You are are a simple minded, and, part of the problem in this country.




your only question has been how to tell a "bad" cop from a "good" cop. my reply is that you do it the same way you tell a "bad" non-cop from a "good" non-cop: by observing actions.


dipshit
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:03:44 PM EST
According to a local poster in the original tread, the intersection is a major, busy one. I'd like to know how "Q" would have handled a combative uncooperative Alzheimer's patient.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:03:44 PM EST
My last remark here is to say that the pigs on this forum have proven once again how utterly chicken shit, and untrustworthy they are. Sorry if I offended any real police.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:04:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q:
My last remark here ...




probably true in more ways than one
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:04:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q:
My last remark here is to say that the pigs on this forum have proven once again how utterly chicken shit, and untrustworthy they are. Sorry if I offended any real police.



Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:05:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q:
Thewo's son said he wandered away from a relative's house while his wife was on the telephone.


http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=2170876



Where's granda? Oh he's just playing in traffic again...
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:07:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
What ever happened to escort techniques?




They have largely been replaced by OC Spray and TASER, which are both considered less force than any "hands on" technique. That's what happens when you let the lawyers in risk management have a say in the policies & procedures manual.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:08:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:09:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q:

How do you tell the average dude on the street apart from a mugger/thug/rapist etc? You don't, you have to wait until they do something to let you know that they're scum. Same situation here. There's no secret marking on the overly agressive cops that he can tell you about.


Please, convince me that you aren't that fucking stupid?

Do muggers/thugs/rapists//etc? have the authority to make you stop your car? Do they have the right to search your house with PC? Can thugs call for back up and kick your door in and do what their warrant says?

Sincerely, you are a lying police apologist in the same league as john Kerry. Comparing common thugs to police who hace the law on their "side". You are are a simple minded, and, part of the problem in this country.

WTF Q Did you forget your medication today.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:10:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Q:
Thewo's son said he wandered away from a relative's house while his wife was on the telephone.


http://www.wane.com/Global/story.asp?S=2170876



Where's granda? Oh he's just playing in traffic again...





No wait, that's not funny....

<­BR>Yes it is!

Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:24:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
According to a local poster in the original tread, the intersection is a major, busy one. I'd like to know how "Q" would have handled a combative uncooperative Alzheimer's patient.



Still waiting for an answer.

I know that a lot of you watch to much spiderman, from your comfy chairs.........................and that is counted as your tactical training.

1) Alzheimer patient
2) From a foriegn country (no English)
3) Wandering into a area where they could be easily killed
4) Apparently mal-nurited, due to the extensive injuries related to falling.

Let's see can't talk with them, since you don't speak the same language. May not be able to reason with them due to their disease. Brittle bones. Headed towards death.

Block them with the arm chair you conduct most of your tactical ops in?

This is real life, not GI-Joe, there is no script.

tick-tock headed towards traffic, waiting for answer.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 5:25:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
According to a local poster in the original tread, the intersection is a major, busy one. I'd like to know how "Q" would have handled a combative uncooperative Alzheimer's patient.



Still waiting for an answer.

I know that a lot of you watch to much spiderman, from your comfy chairs.........................and that is counted as your tactical training.

1) Alzheimer patient
2) From a foriegn country (no English)
3) Wandering into a area where they could be easily killed
4) Apparently mal-nurited, due to the extensive injuries related to falling.

Let's see can't talk with them, since you don't speak the same language. May not be able to reason with them due to their disease. Brittle bones. Headed towards death.

Block them with the arm chair you conduct most of your tactical ops in?

This is real life, not GI-Joe, there is no script.

tick-tock headed towards traffic, waiting for answer.





Pretend I don't see him ... enough foreigners in the country as it is
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