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Posted: 5/31/2017 7:56:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/5/2017 5:54:04 PM EST by WhiskersTheCat]
Put to get the most views, I want a MAGA pistol.

Put more honestly, I really like guns, I like powerful stuff, I'm very unreasonable with my wants, and I can afford to get into either without reloading.

I have no plan for this gun other to shoot it, enjoy it, and maybe carry it occasionally because this is America.

Also my G21 sits unused.

It has to go back...to amusing me.

What would you go with?
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:00:41 PM EST
.50 GI
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:01:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 8:03:07 PM EST by Recusance]
.45 super.

I converted my G21 with just a spring change. (22lb). it will also fire regular ACP but the cases only eject about 4" from the port.

Regardless, it will reliably fire both power levels with nothing more than a $25 spring change.

It has impressive power for it's size (the others being more powerful but also more expensive to accomplish)

You have to buy specialized cases regardless and .45 super seems to be cheaperr than the other sizes.

Plus I can load for the supers in my 45 colt Redhawk convertible.

I get 1200 fps out of my Glock and 1175fps out of my Redhawk.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:02:26 PM EST
10mm
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:03:13 PM EST
Since you say that you would occasionally carry it, I would go with the .45 Super.

Because you can have a .45 Super and it doesn't require a compensator.

And, it looks and feels more impressive than the other two. (Doesn't sound more impressive, however).

Anyway, that's my opinion.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:03:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By natew73:
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Yes, you can also convert it for this as well, but more expense than just a spring change for the .45 super.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:05:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 8:07:18 PM EST by cchurchi]
Don't forget about .40-Super!

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Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:05:30 PM EST
460

You can fire 45ACP and 45 Super out of it as well. Have them all. Why limit yourself?
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:05:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
Put to get the most views, I want a MAGA pistol.

Put more honestly, I really like guns, I like powerful stuff, I'm very unreasonable with my wants, and I can afford to get into either without reloading.

I have no plan for this gun other to shoot it, enjoy it, and maybe carry it occasionally because this is America.

Also my G21 sits unused.

It has to go back...to amusing me.

What would you go with?
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A 6" 9x25 is my choice there.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:09:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By natew73:
10mm
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Already have one. Good suggestion, but already done.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:09:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bravo_Six:
.50 GI
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Definitely want one. Going 1911 in that though.

Medium list.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:11:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Getnlwr:
460

You can fire 45ACP and 45 Super out of it as well. Have them all. Why limit yourself?
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Strong argument.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:11:56 PM EST
I can't say the super is the best but my converted Springfield loaded can still shoot cheap ball.

If I need more than 255 grain hardcast at 1100fps I'll grab my .45 Redhawk or Blackhawk
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:12:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jhereg:

A 6" 9x25 is my choice there.
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Super fast 10mm has always interested me.

It'd probably be loud as shit and ridiculous...but I kind of want that.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:12:40 PM EST
9x25 Dillon. I need to get a barrel for my G40.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:13:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 8:15:41 PM EST by TheJudgeHolden]
9x25 all the way.

Throwing a big bullet slightly faster than normal is cool and all, but sending a smaller bullet REALLYFUCKINFAST is more fun. Load that bitch up with some 90gr XTP's and a highly ill advised amount of Blue Dot, 2000 FPS out of a handgun here we come!
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:13:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:


Already have one. Good suggestion, but already done.
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Okay.. 400 Cor-Bon. I have a barrel for my old Ruger P90 and it's a hot round.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:13:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 03RN:
I can't say the super is the best but my converted Springfield loaded can still shoot cheap ball.

If I need more than 255 grain hardcast at 1100fps I'll grab my .45 Redhawk or Blackhawk
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You're thinking reasonably. I live in the suburbs.

I don't "need" any of these to fill a gap, I just want some ridiculous in my handgun life.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:17:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
You're thinking reasonably. I live in the suburbs.

I don't "need" any of these to fill a gap, I just want some ridiculous in my handgun life.
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
Originally Posted By 03RN:
I can't say the super is the best but my converted Springfield loaded can still shoot cheap ball.

If I need more than 255 grain hardcast at 1100fps I'll grab my .45 Redhawk or Blackhawk
You're thinking reasonably. I live in the suburbs.

I don't "need" any of these to fill a gap, I just want some ridiculous in my handgun life.
Then go desert eagle
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:17:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By natew73:
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How about 10mm necked to .40 caliber ?
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:21:14 PM EST
If I were to do it, it would be 460.
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Originally Posted By Nemo6:


How about 10mm necked to .40 caliber ?
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How about a .45 necked down to a .40? 400 cor-bon
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:25:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
If I were to do it, it would be 460.
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Speaking honestly, it's basically between cheap, heavy or fast.

I think I'm off cheap.

So you'd go big fatties over 10mm necked sprinters?
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:26:32 PM EST
9x23
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How about a .45 necked down to a .40? 400 cor-bon
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400CB is cool, but it's not as fast or as heavy as the other options.

I like extremes.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:36:03 PM EST
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9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure.

It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job.

The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise.

You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders).
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:39:06 PM EST
The S&W 625 revolver can handle 45 Super without modification.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:39:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 8:40:03 PM EST by AZ_Sky]
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
Speaking honestly, it's basically between cheap, heavy or fast.

I think I'm off cheap.

So you'd go big fatties over 10mm necked sprinters?
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
If I were to do it, it would be 460.
Speaking honestly, it's basically between cheap, heavy or fast.

I think I'm off cheap.

So you'd go big fatties over 10mm necked sprinters?
Honestly, I don't know what your intended purpose is.
For me, I like mass and diameter.
I have always been a big bore kind of guy.
480 Ruger for me.

Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:41:15 PM EST
45 Win Mag, .475 Wildey Magnum.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:43:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:


9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure.

It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job.

The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise.

You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders).
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Think you're right on with two. I know DoubleTap and I'm pretty sure about Underwood.
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Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
Honestly, I don't know what your intended purpose is.
For me, I like mass and diameter.
I have always been a big bore kind of guy.
480 Ruger for me.

http://m8.i.pbase.com/u34/terry_56/upload/33180148.480Ruger.jpg
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Honest answer? No purpose. Just want an awesome caliber handgun.

Your Ruger is real nice.

I keep trying to sell myself on a SW500, but I can't close on myself. Too much, too expensive, really not a viable carry option even being a gun nut.

That's why I'm leaning towards powerful loadings in a common platform.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:47:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 8:47:42 PM EST by Getnlwr]
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:


400CB is cool, but it's not as fast or as heavy as the other options.

I like extremes.
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Extreme is a .45 dia bullet weighing 185 gr moving at 1550 FPS making 1000ftlbs of energy.

This is a standard loading for the 460.

You can also get the CCR Glock/1911 upper chambered in 460. That's a hoot to shoot as well. You will easily go well over the 1000ft lbs with that.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:48:13 PM EST
Since this is a MAGA pistol, it has to be in .45 caliber since DJT is the 45th POTUS. .45 Super!
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:51:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2017 9:02:07 PM EST by TraumaMedic]
A 460 Rowland or 45 super with a 275gr FN Hunters Supply cast bullet will kill anything in North America.

https://www.glocktalk.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg694%2F7087%2F8gz2.jpg&hash=e872dd898ef04272d6a5a52afcb4bbff
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:55:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Getnlwr:


Extreme is a .45 dia bullet weighing 185 gr moving at 1550 FPS making 1000ftlbs of energy.

This is a standard loading for the 460.

You can also get the CCR Glock/1911 upper chambered in 460. That's a hoot to shoot as well. You will easily go well over the 1000ft lbs with that.
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Yeah. I think I'm deciding between 460 and Dillon.

460 is pretty awesome and versatile, Dillon is ridiculous.

Hmm.

Versatile or ridiculous? (Within already overkill calibers)
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:56:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TraumaMedic:
A 460 Rowland or 45 super with a 275gr FN Hunters Supply cast bullet will kill anything in North America.

https://www.glocktalk.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg694%2F7087%2F8gz2.jpg&hash=e872dd898ef04272d6a5a52afcb4bbff
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I do like .45 cast bullets...
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:56:54 PM EST
5.7x28?
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 8:58:51 PM EST
Rowland, for sure.

Link Posted: 5/31/2017 9:04:28 PM EST
I had my S&W 325 Thunder Ranch converted to .460 Rowland. Recoil is "stout".
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 9:06:46 PM EST
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NO! it's stupid! Less ammunition capacity and less power than 10mm.




.460Rowland all the way. ( I want a conversion for my 1911... i'll buy one eventually)
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 9:17:58 PM EST
For those that own it, is there a large difference when shooting between a compensated or a ported 460?

I'm thinking on a G21 ported would be fine, but I've never even shot the round.

Just trying to expand my wants.
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat:
For those that own it, is there a large difference when shooting between a compensated or a ported 460?

I'm thinking on a G21 ported would be fine, but I've never even shot the round.

Just trying to expand my wants.
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When I was considering 460 a while back I read that a ported barrel with a 24lb spring wasn't quite enough to slow the slide down enough. Even if it is enough, the comp will be more pleasant to shoot (with ear pro of course)
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 9:31:42 PM EST
Properly compensated will do better than a ported. Hands down.
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Properly compensated will do better than a ported. Hands down.
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460rowland.com okay or do others do it better?

Aside from ammo cost, this isn't exactly a big project.

I might end up doing a conversion on my G21 and a barrel for my G20 and getting both. (460 + Dillon )

Rear slide weight seems unnecessary on a G21, right?

I'd think that's for smaller frames.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 9:48:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
The S&W 625 revolver can handle 45 Super without modification.
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Interesting
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:


9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure.

It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job.

The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise.

You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders).
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I've been kicking around the idea of a 9x23 for years. That's a lot of power in a small package.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 10:21:41 PM EST
I've been down the same road and considered the same calibers.  I also reload.

.44 Mag is the way I went.  Powerful, common, and fucking sweet. 

Ruger Blackhawk if you want to launch the crazy 300 GR loads.  SW 629 if you want to keep it tame with 240 gr loads.
Link Posted: 5/31/2017 10:28:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OldArmy:
NO! it's stupid! Less ammunition capacity and less power than 10mm.




.460Rowland all the way. ( I want a conversion for my 1911... i'll buy one eventually)
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Originally Posted By Bravo_Six:
.50 GI
NO! it's stupid! Less ammunition capacity and less power than 10mm.




.460Rowland all the way. ( I want a conversion for my 1911... i'll buy one eventually)
It's because they don't make a .51.

I didn't think that you small bore fans would understand.
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure.

It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job.

The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise.

You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders).
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:
9x23
9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure.

It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job.

The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise.

You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders).
I thought I implied all of that with my post.

I have 2 1/2 cases of factory 9x23 and a pistol too shoot it.
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.45 Super is intriguing. Tons of power, minimal modification to your pistol, reloading kit fairly readily available.

I think 9x25 is a cool concept but I assume it's concussion would be a genuine distraction. Can't say I know tons about 460.
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Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner:


I thought I implied all of that with my post.

I have 2 1/2 cases of factory 9x23 and a pistol too shoot it.
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When I was initially looking to build one, I was told that there aren't any projectiles that will expand well with the velocities of the round. Is that correct?
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