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Posted: 8/11/2014 7:50:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2014 7:51:51 AM EDT by Ponchoman]
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:52:01 AM EDT
The atheist assholes complained?
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:53:06 AM EDT
Fuck the atheists. Their restaurant, their rules.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:53:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2014 7:53:41 AM EDT by Mastadon]
In before some atheist libertarian starts doing donuts in victory lane because an atheist organization forced their idea of what's right on someone else's private business in another state.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:54:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2014 7:56:53 AM EDT by klinc]
It's illegal to issue discounts?

EDIT: Elizabeth Cavell, staff attorney at the Freedom From Religion Foundation, began hearing complaints about the discount from state and national members.

Ah, those idiots that don't even know what their own organization name means.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:57:02 AM EDT
Public schools FTW.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 7:57:29 AM EDT
Pussed out.
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Originally Posted By RedDane:
Pussed out.
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No, they turned the other check.




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Pussed out.
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Yeah, but what are you going to do?

Sink all your assets in a legal battle against a bunch of party poopers so you have to close your restaurant and send all your employees home?


Evangelical atheists aren't worth fighting, and they know it.
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Of course.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:02:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


Yeah, but what are you going to do?

Sink all your assets in a legal battle against a bunch of party poopers so you have to close your restaurant and send all your employees home?


Evangelical atheists aren't worth fighting, and they know it.
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Originally Posted By RedDane:
Pussed out.


Yeah, but what are you going to do?

Sink all your assets in a legal battle against a bunch of party poopers so you have to close your restaurant and send all your employees home?


Evangelical atheists aren't worth fighting, and they know it.

Precisely
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:03:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mastadon:
In before some atheist libertarian starts doing donuts in victory lane because an atheist organization forced their idea of what's right on someone else's private business in another state.
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A libertarian would side with the business.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:04:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ponchoman:
Fuck those atheists. Their restaurant, their rules.
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FIFY. This atheist would have prayed in order to get the discount.
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:

Precisely
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Originally Posted By EvanWilliams:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Originally Posted By RedDane:
Pussed out.


Yeah, but what are you going to do?

Sink all your assets in a legal battle against a bunch of party poopers so you have to close your restaurant and send all your employees home?


Evangelical atheists aren't worth fighting, and they know it.

Precisely
This PC shit has been out of control for a long time. Frustrating as all get out...
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:05:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Htown156:


A libertarian would side with the business.
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Originally Posted By Htown156:
Originally Posted By Mastadon:
In before some atheist libertarian starts doing donuts in victory lane because an atheist organization forced their idea of what's right on someone else's private business in another state.


A libertarian would side with the business.


It depends on which quality in themselves they hold in higher esteem, their libertarianism or their atheism.

See the pro-life Catholics for a comparison.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:07:49 AM EDT
Too bad.
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A libertarian would side with the business.
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Originally Posted By Htown156:
Originally Posted By Mastadon:
In before some atheist libertarian starts doing donuts in victory lane because an atheist organization forced their idea of what's right on someone else's private business in another state.

A libertarian would side with the business.

We'll see.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:14:48 AM EDT
This atheist libertarian thinks that the business should discount whatever the hell they want, and anyone who doesn't like it should vote with their feet.


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FIFY. This atheist would have prayed in order to get the discount.
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Originally Posted By steveba4:
Originally Posted By Ponchoman:
Fuck those atheists. Their restaurant, their rules.

FIFY. This atheist would have prayed in order to get the discount.



Cheap bastard crew checking in.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:19:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wingnutx:
This atheist libertarian thinks that the business should discount whatever the hell they want, and anyone who doesn't like it should vote with their feet.
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You ain't who I had in mind. We'll see what happens. Maybe (hopefully) I'm wrong.



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atheist FTW..
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Originally Posted By wingnutx:
This atheist libertarian thinks that the business should discount whatever the hell they want, and anyone who doesn't like it should vote with their feet.


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That's freedom We all should support that.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:22:18 AM EDT
Doesn't sound illegal to me. And lawsuit shmaw-suit. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. If this business truly stands by their policy, they wouldn't back down in the face of adversity or make BS excuses that it's illegal. Sounds spineless to me.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:23:42 AM EDT
How is this any different than a business offering a discount for "ladies night"? I should be able to have a Christian night or some shit, no? Oh, nevermind, I know the difference. Atheists are fucking assholes.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:25:56 AM EDT
Id rename ever dish on the menu...
Each item would be religon themed not just Christian ....id stir it up good.
Rename the damn restaurant "coexist "
Today's special :
8:99$
St.Paul's peppers steak .sides Vishnu veggies and Mohammed mashed potatoes.
Chocolate Buddha shake with atheist crumbles (nuts)
Choice of Moses imperial Porter or Jesus juice Merlot.

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A libertarian would side with the business.
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Originally Posted By Mastadon:
In before some atheist libertarian starts doing donuts in victory lane because an atheist organization forced their idea of what's right on someone else's private business in another state.


A libertarian would side with the business.


There are a lot of atheists here who call themselves libertarian because it sounds more grown up and legit.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:28:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TonyTiger76:
Doesn't sound illegal to me. And lawsuit shmaw-suit. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. If this business truly stands by their policy, they wouldn't back down in the face of adversity or make BS excuses that it's illegal. Sounds spineless to me.
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Think about what you just said and put yourself in the shoes of the restaurant owners.

You're a small business owner who may or may not be making a decent profit on your business venture, in this case, a restaurant.

An organization from a faraway state comes in and tells you to change your behavior or else we'll sue you.

You now have a decision to make. You can:

1) Truly stand by your principles and not back down in the face of adversity like you said. Now, can you afford to pay an attorney or perhaps a team of attorneys to defend a lawsuit against an organization made of money and attorneys? Even if their suit has no merit, you can find yourself out thousands of dollars in legal fees. It's entirely conceivable that, if the case isn't thrown out immediately, you could actually go bankrupt fighting the suit.

2) Say, "OK, fine. No more discount." Problem solved, you're not out one dime, and you can carry on with running your business to support your family.

The FFRF's goal is not suing people, it's twisting arms to get people to comply with their wishes. Sort of like Jesse Jackson and the race baiters. When they don't have to go to court, it's a big win for them as now they can move on to their next victim and don't have to expend resources on you.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:31:30 AM EDT
There's a LOT of things in the world, in public that I do not care for. Never sue. Never complain. Just say FIDO.

If you don't like the restaurant don't go.

Just preying on those who are too big to fight back.

Go to some ISIS controlled territory and pull this whiny shit. You'll get shot to hell or beheaded.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:33:09 AM EDT
So get rid of the "official" discount.

"Here you are ma'am, I believe you over paid us."
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Originally Posted By steveba4:

FIFY. This atheist would have prayed in order to get the discount.
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Originally Posted By steveba4:
Originally Posted By Ponchoman:
Fuck those atheists. Their restaurant, their rules.

FIFY. This atheist would have prayed in order to get the discount.


+1 It makes no difference to me, but then again I'm not a cunt that gets offended by everything and everyone.
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The atheists lied to her and she bought it.
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
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Because someone's precious feelings got hurt.
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It isn't.

I'm guessing it's either a cop-out to avoid continuing the 15 percent discount or some ninny complained and threw around the L-word to intimidate them.

Personally, I don't think it is a good idea to mix your personal beliefs with your business. I'd certainly defend their right to run their business however they want, tho.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

It isn't.

I'm guessing it's either a cop-out to avoid continuing the 15 percent discount or some ninny complained and threw around the L-word to intimidate them.

Personally, I don't think it is a good idea to mix your personal beliefs with your business. I'd certainly defend their right to run their business however they want, tho.
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Why in the world would this be "illegal"?

It isn't.

I'm guessing it's either a cop-out to avoid continuing the 15 percent discount or some ninny complained and threw around the L-word to intimidate them.

Personally, I don't think it is a good idea to mix your personal beliefs with your business. I'd certainly defend their right to run their business however they want, tho.

No need to guess. The FFRF lied to the owner and she backed down. From the article:


Elizabeth Cavell, staff attorney at the Freedom From Religion Foundation, began hearing complaints about the discount from state and national members. The Freedom From Religion Foundation is the largest national association of freethinkers, or people of no religious beliefs.

She then wrote a letter to the diner’s owner, Mary Haglund, on Aug. 4, asking her to stop offering the discount.

“As a place of ‘public accommodation,’ it is illegal for Mary’s Gourmet Diner to discriminate, or show favoritism, on the basis of religion,” the letter said. “Your restaurant’s restrictive promotional practice favors religious customers, and denies customers who do not pray and nonbelievers the right to ‘full and equal’ enjoyment of Mary’s Gourmet Diner.”
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Originally Posted By klinc:
It's illegal to issue discounts?

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EDIT: Elizabeth Cavell, staff attorney at the Freedom From Religion Foundation, began hearing complaints about the discount from state and national members.

Ah, those idiots that don't even know what their own organization name means.

It is under Obamacare.
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Originally Posted By TonyTiger76:
Doesn't sound illegal to me. And lawsuit shmaw-suit. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. If this business truly stands by their policy, they wouldn't back down in the face of adversity or make BS excuses that it's illegal. Sounds spineless to me.
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This also.
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
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Religious Discrimination.

Those who pray before their meal are getting a discount. Those who do not, pay full price.

Of course, if they offered a discount to same sex couples, transgender muslims or people with Harry Reid hair cuts this would be celebrated and no one would bring forth a law suit.

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Originally Posted By Stevil1300:

Religious Discrimination.

Those who pray before their meal are getting a discount. Those who do not, pay full price.

Of course, if they offered a discount to same sex couples, transgender muslims or people with Harry Reid hair cuts this would be celebrated and no one would bring forth a law suit.

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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Why in the world would this be "illegal"?

Religious Discrimination.

Those who pray before their meal are getting a discount. Those who do not, pay full price.

Of course, if they offered a discount to same sex couples, transgender muslims or people with Harry Reid hair cuts this would be celebrated and no one would bring forth a law suit.




FALSE.


They offered to those who meditated also and those who took pause rather than diving in like a starved prisoner at a Honey Tree.
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We still have places that offer a discount for bringing in a Sunday church bulletin. (any denomination)

It would not go well for atheists to interfere.....you take your life in your hands when you get between Baptists and food.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 8:55:06 AM EDT
Easy way to get around this discount issue. Don't show it on the receipt.


In other words, coffee is "free" or drinks are on the house if they see you pray, meditate, or whatever they deem fitting.
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Religious Discrimination.

Those who pray before their meal are getting a discount. Those who do not, pay full price.

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Originally Posted By Stevil1300:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Why in the world would this be "illegal"?

Religious Discrimination.

Those who pray before their meal are getting a discount. Those who do not, pay full price.

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Again, how would it be illegal?
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:01:06 AM EDT
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Double tap...
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:05:38 AM EDT
The discount was obviously discriminatory against people who did not want to pray in public. This could even include otherwise religious people who did not want to make a spectacle of themselves, or who were following Christ's advice (Matthew 6:6) to pray in secret.

It was a publicity stunt to attract the bible-thumpers.

The restaurant should never have offered that discount in the first place.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:07:12 AM EDT
The outcome would be the same if a restaurant decided to charge Christians more, or give a discount to non-Christians. Complainers would shut it down just as quickly.
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I'm going to open a hamburger stand and charge $10,000.00 per burger.

If you renounce God you get a 99.999% discount. Or if you're white you get a 99.999% discount.

That would be illegal whether you support the idea or not. (I know our resident anarchists will argue this but whatever)

When you choose to engage in business with the public you lose some rights and take on some responsibilities to the community. Taxes, Zoning, Labor, Public Health, ADA, EEO, this shit isn't exactly new.

Open a non-profit private club if your principles are so strong that you have to discriminate in violation of the law.
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"Illegal". "Racist". Same type of weapon, just used by different groups.



Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:12:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlexanderA:
The discount was obviously discriminatory against people who did not want to pray in public. This could even include otherwise religious people who did not want to make a spectacle of themselves, or who were following Christ's advice (Matthew 6:6) to pray in secret.

It was a publicity stunt to attract the bible-thumpers.

The restaurant should never have offered that discount in the first place.
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Wendy's gives discounts and free stuff to people 65yrs and older. That's discriminating again the young.
The business should be able to give discounts or free stuff to whoever they choose.
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:17:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlexanderA:
The discount was obviously discriminatory against people who did not want to pray in public. This could even include otherwise religious people who did not want to make a spectacle of themselves, or who were following Christ's advice (Matthew 6:6) to pray in secret.

It was a publicity stunt to attract the bible-thumpers.

The restaurant should never have offered that discount in the first place.
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Publicity stunts don't normally go on for 4 years.

You don't want to pray in public then don't... You don't like the policy go somewhere else and don't pray in public and get charged full price anyways.

You want a discount... bow your head and count to 10... profit?
Link Posted: 8/11/2014 9:18:34 AM EDT
I'm going to sue the next restraunt that gives out a free piece of cake to kids on their birthday because that's discrimination against those who don't have a birthday on that day. You can't help the day you were born.
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