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Posted: 9/16/2009 2:01:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 2:08:35 PM EST by runs-with-scissors]
i dont have kids of my own, so maybe i am a little over sensitive but

–– there is a couple that has chosen not immunize their kids - i am fine with their religious beliefs and support them in their practice of what ever they want to believe in. HOWEVER - i get really nervous when they bring their kids around, i was in the .mil and traveled quite extensively, in addition to working around several 3rd world "hospitals" –– so i got vaccinated and exposed to a lot of shit - i am truly worried that i could give these kids something and they would be screwed for life.




Lets hear it boys (and girls)
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 2:36:09 PM EST
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 2:39:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 2:40:15 PM EST by mcgrubbs]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 2:59:35 PM EST
My sister an her husband have 6 kids, 2 years apart each and all home schooled.
My BIL is a Lutheran minister.
None of the kids have been vaccinated for anything by choice of their parents.
Makes my mother (their gramma) a little nervous as well as some of the other relatives.
I have been vaccinated for tons of stuff including Swine Flu in 1978 but I honor their decision for their kids.
I couldn't get into college without certain vaccines and I don't know what will happen when my nieces and nephews apply some day.
I feel that the gubmint should not mandate vaccinations but to each their own.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:04:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.


Buncha BS.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:26:06 PM EST
What kind of parents choose not to protect their kids?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:29:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.

Yeah, simply using google turns up that this is a bunch of BS.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:31:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



OK, as mentioned above the BS is strong in this post.

#1. Vaccine mfgs pay into a fund for people harmed by vaccines. Yes, there are people that are actually HARMED by vaccines...allergic reactions, etc. are relatively rare but do happen. That pays for problems.

#2. The Merc/Autism link has never been show scientifically (controlled studies with reproducible data)...unless you consider the mind of a Playboy Playmate (Jenny McCarthy) to be scientific enough.

#3. Since 2001 Mercury has NOT been used as a preservative in vaccines (with limited exceptions)––yet Autism continues to rise.

A lot of the issue is the "now there's more head wounds with the Kevlar helmets" effect...the US Army went from steel pots to Kevlar and head wounds increased. Why? Did the Kevlar cause more soldiers to get shot? No...the gunshots that would have caused a death with the steel pot were only wounds with the Kevlar. Autism is a lot more common for a few reasons (and, I'm sure there are a fair number that are yet undiscovered)..more awareness leading to a diagnosis of Autism (instead of "oh, Jimmy's just Slow"), and also that schools get considerable amounts of money for "special needs" kids....kids that are a bit slower to learn (on the left side of the bell curve) may get a forced diagnosis of Autism (because the school gets extra money...same as a LOT of kids have ADD/ADHD diagnosis these days).

To the OP: I immunize my kids. I think it's foolish for parents to not immunize (the risks are low vs. the potential problems of the childhood diseases). The ones that do it are like the people that don't want to pay the fare for the bus...but grab on the back and ride on the bumper. Most of the time, they'll be fine....because the people paying for the bus keep it in good repair and on a regular schedule. However, if it hits enough bumps in the road..they'll fall off and get hurt. It's called Herd Immunity (relying on most of the kids in the school/daycare/etc. to stay healthy and not bring things like polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, etc.) into the school. Then little Juan shows up from Mexico or Abungu from Africa or Long Dong from China shows up carrying one of the diseases, and Jack or Jill are in the hospital dying.

AFARR
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:32:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 3:34:57 PM EST by Aimless]
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:35:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



This is absolute bullshit.


Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:47:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By AFARR:
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



OK, as mentioned above the BS is strong in this post.

#1. Vaccine mfgs pay into a fund for people harmed by vaccines. Yes, there are people that are actually HARMED by vaccines...allergic reactions, etc. are relatively rare but do happen. That pays for problems.

#2. The Merc/Autism link has never been show scientifically (controlled studies with reproducible data)...unless you consider the mind of a Playboy Playmate (Jenny McCarthy) to be scientific enough.

#3. Since 2001 Mercury has NOT been used as a preservative in vaccines (with limited exceptions)––yet Autism continues to rise.

A lot of the issue is the "now there's more head wounds with the Kevlar helmets" effect...the US Army went from steel pots to Kevlar and head wounds increased. Why? Did the Kevlar cause more soldiers to get shot? No...the gunshots that would have caused a death with the steel pot were only wounds with the Kevlar. Autism is a lot more common for a few reasons (and, I'm sure there are a fair number that are yet undiscovered)..more awareness leading to a diagnosis of Autism (instead of "oh, Jimmy's just Slow"), and also that schools get considerable amounts of money for "special needs" kids....kids that are a bit slower to learn (on the left side of the bell curve) may get a forced diagnosis of Autism (because the school gets extra money...same as a LOT of kids have ADD/ADHD diagnosis these days).

To the OP: I immunize my kids. I think it's foolish for parents to not immunize (the risks are low vs. the potential problems of the childhood diseases). The ones that do it are like the people that don't want to pay the fare for the bus...but grab on the back and ride on the bumper. Most of the time, they'll be fine....because the people paying for the bus keep it in good repair and on a regular schedule. However, if it hits enough bumps in the road..they'll fall off and get hurt. It's called Herd Immunity (relying on most of the kids in the school/daycare/etc. to stay healthy and not bring things like polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, etc.) into the school. Then little Juan shows up from Mexico or Abungu from Africa or Long Dong from China shows up carrying one of the diseases, and Jack or Jill are in the hospital dying.

AFARR


This.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:48:52 PM EST
Most immunizations do more harm than good, and are given to ramp up money for the companies that profit from their administration. People lived for thousands of years without them, kids included.

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Link Posted: 9/16/2009 3:52:38 PM EST
How many of the Illegal aliens coming up from the border do you think have been immunized???
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 4:02:29 PM EST
Here is the deal. Vaccinations all come down to a risk-benefit analysis. What are the chances of coming into contact with, and then actually contracting a serious disease versus the risks of a negative reactions to the vaccination itself. In times past, these communicable diseases were very common and risk of contact and contagion quite high. That is no longer the case...because of vaccination programs. Now the chances of harmful negative reactions are MUCH higher than the chances of contacting diseases in the US. I AM NOT saying that this applies to South America, Mexico, Eastern Europe, Asia, or Africa. It is however the case in the USA. My kids are also home schooled and as such have no close contact with high risk kids such as illegals in the school systems.

My kids are not vaccinated for these reasons. If they travel as children to a foreign country, the risk benefit changes drastically and they will have every shot I can find. In my opinion the autism scare is internet and Oprah generated BS. It really comes down to basic statistical analysis.

The other little acknowledged fact is that the most vulnerable of children, those under age 2, are not even protected by the vaccinations for some of the illnesses. Immunity doesn't develop until they are over 4 years old. The other nice little fact is that unless you guys have had your booster shots about every seven years since you were a teenager, you probably have little or no immunity yourselves. Chew on that.

One day, diseases will recirculate and increased vaccination programs will again be required to control the spread...it is a cycle. In the meantime, it is still a free country...sort of, and as a free man I will act in the immediate best interests of my kids and not worry about the "collective good". Their risks of contracting diseases are substantially lower than serious harmful reactions to the vaccination shots.


Link Posted: 9/16/2009 4:02:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Centuryhouse:
Most immunizations do more harm than good, and are given to ramp up money for the companies that profit from their administration. People lived for thousands of years without them, kids included.

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Link Posted: 9/16/2009 4:52:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 4:53:58 PM EST by runs-with-scissors]
thanks for all the responses - as of this post it looks like i am –– overreacting with lots of sand. Before the tin foil starts to get wound to tight let me just say - this is a concern/fear of mine - thanks for the replies - i will (try to) quit worrying
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 4:59:49 PM EST
it's all fun and games untill they get pollio.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:10:19 PM EST
They had ads on the radio saying that a child couldn't attend school if they weren't immunized.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:15:26 PM EST
I think you may have an issue with understanding how a vaccine works –– the fact that you were vaccinated protects them, not the other way around. If you can't get it, you can't give it to them. Their lack of immunity won't make them get something you're vaccinated against just because you're around them –– you would have to be carrying the disease to give it to them, and the fact you're vaccinated against a disease doesn't mean you carry it.

I think for the most part, people who don't vaccinate their kids are extraordinarily gullible, believing whatever BS internet rumour they hear. We've eradicated diseases by vaccinating (smallpox and polio), and saved probably millions of kids' lives. I think those who don't are neglecting their children's medical needs.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:23:25 PM EST
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:28:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By Centuryhouse:
Most immunizations do more harm than good, and are given to ramp up money for the companies that profit from their administration. People lived for thousands of years without them, kids included.

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Are you just counting the people/kids who lived or are you also including the ones that died from various diseases that now have vaccines?
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 6:25:44 PM EST
I got my flu shot today. I will be going back for the H1N1 when it is available in a few weeks.

I used to give vaccinations on a regular basis in the Navy during the 90's. We were required to understand the vaccines we gave, along with the side effects in case someone started showing signs of problems. I was even present when one of the Marine officers refused to take his deployment readiness vaccinations. I was giving the shots when he refused to roll up his sleeve. Here I was an E-2 telling an O-5 he better roll up his sleeve. I ended up calling the Master Chief over and let her deal with it. Last thing I heard he got boarded out for refusing. He was also claiming a lot of this same stuff plus a whole lot more. The military canned a bunch of folks for refusing over the last 10 years or so.

The folks that focus on vaccines as the cause for Autism forget that a LOT of things started to be used about the same time that the MMR was introduced in the 70's. Those things never get factored into the "investigations". One critical factor is that the 60's and 70's was about the same time that mandatory school vaccinations started becoming the norm. So kids that otherwise would not have been taken to the doctor were being seen for the first time. Its possible that the detection increased simply because of better exposure to doctors. But, the bigger issue is that Autism has been known for a lot longer than that ie. 1800's?.

The lead investigator that started this BS has gotten into some trouble over this claim. Google Andrew Wakefield MMR and Autism for details.

Please understand that I am not making light of the disease at all. I feel for the parents and the kids. But, our litigious society goes after anyone with deep pockets. That is what makes me disgusted. The real research on Autism has shown a lot of factors that might be the cause, including genetics.

My daughter will be born in December. You can bet that she will be protected by vaccinations that her mother and I see fit.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:39:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By joshki:
I think you may have an issue with understanding how a vaccine works –– the fact that you were vaccinated protects them, not the other way around. If you can't get it, you can't give it to them. Their lack of immunity won't make them get something you're vaccinated against just because you're around them –– you would have to be carrying the disease to give it to them, and the fact you're vaccinated against a disease doesn't mean you carry it.

I think for the most part, people who don't vaccinate their kids are extraordinarily gullible, believing whatever BS internet rumour they hear. We've eradicated diseases by vaccinating (smallpox and polio), and saved probably millions of kids' lives. I think those who don't are neglecting their children's medical needs.

i understand how a vaccine works, i also understand live agents, carriers, reservoirs and vectors of disease work, perhaps i should have emphasized the "exposed to" part.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:44:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:48:18 AM EST by TORQ]
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:48:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



Correlation != causality

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:51:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



yeah its called eugenics.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:17:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


FAIL.

First of all, they don't use thimerosal in most children's vaccines anymore. See the FDA for more info. I'm not sure what "ethyl" or "methy" are, but I doubt either of them are used in anything injected into the body.

Second, we don't genetically engineer half-dead animal cells. There are different types of vaccines, but you're obviously parroting one of the many conspiracy theory websites.

And third, in our founding fathers' day, 50-70% of people who got smallpox died of it. The concept of vaccinations obviously completely escapes you.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:21:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By max229:
What kind of parents choose not to protect their kids?


+1
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:25:46 AM EST
Read carefully, I will quote myself:

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.



Again, I am not saying I agree, I'm not saying this is fact (immunizations and autism), just that that is the reason many parents have for not wanting their kids immunized.

I don't know if there is a connection. I'm just saying I understand why some parents are fearful, right or wrong.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:31:15 AM EST
A-Free:

(From my post above)

To the OP: I immunize my kids. I think it's foolish for parents to not immunize (the risks are low vs. the potential problems of the childhood diseases). The ones that do it are like the people that don't want to pay the fare for the bus...but grab on the back and ride on the bumper. Most of the time, they'll be fine....because the people paying for the bus keep it in good repair and on a regular schedule. However, if it hits enough bumps in the road..they'll fall off and get hurt. It's called Herd Immunity (relying on most of the kids in the school/daycare/etc. to stay healthy and not bring things like polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, etc.) into the school. Then little Juan shows up from Mexico or Abungu from Africa or Long Dong from China shows up carrying one of the diseases, and Jack or Jill are in the hospital dying.


I have no problem with parents not wanting to immunize their kids for valid religious reasons...but the ones that believe the crap above REALLY need to think about the sources of their info. And, if in the end, they decide not to immunize....don't expect me to sympathize with the parents (with the kids...definitely...they shouldn't suffer for their parent's stupidity)when your kid gets sick and you could have prevented it.

AFARR
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:37:02 AM EST
Imagine if you lived 200 years ago! NO ONE had vaccines!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:39:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By peekay:
Imagine if you lived 200 years ago! NO ONE had vaccines!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.


What were infant and child mortality rates 200 years ago? Vaccines have saved millions of kids worldwide. We don't live in the 1800s anymore. Thank God.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:46:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 11:50:28 AM EST by TORQ]
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


FAIL.

First of all, they don't use thimerosal in most children's vaccines anymore. See the FDA for more info. I'm not sure what "ethyl" or "methy" are, but I doubt either of them are used in anything injected into the body.

Second, we don't genetically engineer half-dead animal cells. There are different types of vaccines, but you're obviously parroting one of the many conspiracy theory websites.

And third, in our founding fathers' day, 50-70% of people who got smallpox died of it. The concept of vaccinations obviously completely escapes you.


hmm right.. if u did your research correctly you would of noticed that methly and ehtly mercury are used. and btw thermasol is still used just not in most of them. ...Oh and where do u think that manfucature these vaccinations from....its not human subjects cells that they incubate these virus from.

great post btw.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:50:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 11:54:09 AM EST by Tekka]

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.


The mental health industry has been increasing the spectrum for autism to bring more and more people within it. That is where most of the increase is from. With that said, I'm fairly certain that most of the real increases are because of the drug abuse by the babyboomers and gen xers. They are passing their damaged genes to their kids.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:54:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


FAIL.

First of all, they don't use thimerosal in most children's vaccines anymore. See the FDA for more info. I'm not sure what "ethyl" or "methy" are, but I doubt either of them are used in anything injected into the body.

Second, we don't genetically engineer half-dead animal cells. There are different types of vaccines, but you're obviously parroting one of the many conspiracy theory websites.

And third, in our founding fathers' day, 50-70% of people who got smallpox died of it. The concept of vaccinations obviously completely escapes you.


hmm right.. if u did your research correctly you would of noticed that methly and ehtly mercury are used. and btw thermasol is still used just not in most of them. ...


If you can't even spell the words well enough for people to recognize them it's kind of hard to take you seriously. I know what Ethyl and Methyl Mercury are –– that's not what you posted. You should really read the link I posted –– it has quite a bit of good info that you could use to educate yourself so you don't sound like an idiot talking about something when you haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. It addresses the Ethyl and Methyl Mercury issues as well.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:55:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.


The mental health industry has been increasing the spectrum for autism to bring more and more people within it. That is where most of the increase is from. With that said, I'm fairly certain that most of the real increases are because of the drug abuse by the babyboomers and gen xers. They are passing their damaged genes to their kids.



And we have a winner...
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:55:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By Tekka:

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.


The mental health industry has been increasing the spectrum for autism to bring more and more people within it. That is where most of the increase is from. With that said, I'm fairly certain that most of the real increases are because of the drug abuse by the babyboomers and gen xers. They are passing their damaged genes to their kids.



And we have a winner...


Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:57:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


FAIL.

First of all, they don't use thimerosal in most children's vaccines anymore. See the FDA for more info. I'm not sure what "ethyl" or "methy" are, but I doubt either of them are used in anything injected into the body.

Second, we don't genetically engineer half-dead animal cells. There are different types of vaccines, but you're obviously parroting one of the many conspiracy theory websites.

And third, in our founding fathers' day, 50-70% of people who got smallpox died of it. The concept of vaccinations obviously completely escapes you.


hmm right.. if u did your research correctly you would of noticed that methly and ehtly mercury are used. and btw thermasol is still used just not in most of them. ...


If you can't even spell the words well enough for people to recognize them it's kind of hard to take you seriously. I know what Ethyl and Methyl Mercury are –– that's not what you posted. You should really read the link I posted –– it has quite a bit of good info that you could use to educate yourself so you don't sound like an idiot talking about something when you haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. It addresses the Ethyl and Methyl Mercury issues as well.


whats matter hit a nerve, cant get your point across you then attack me personally. pathetic.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:57:26 AM EST
I wouldnt be worried about getting someone else's kid sick, I'm not their parent they arent my concern. I wouldnt put myself in a bubble for someone else's kid.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:58:13 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 11:59:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



Correlation does not equal causation. The risks from not being vaccinated (which are obvious and documented) outweigh the speculative risks from vaccination.

There are numerous other potential causes for the apparent upsurge in autism.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:00:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:00:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


FAIL.

First of all, they don't use thimerosal in most children's vaccines anymore. See the FDA for more info. I'm not sure what "ethyl" or "methy" are, but I doubt either of them are used in anything injected into the body.

Second, we don't genetically engineer half-dead animal cells. There are different types of vaccines, but you're obviously parroting one of the many conspiracy theory websites.

And third, in our founding fathers' day, 50-70% of people who got smallpox died of it. The concept of vaccinations obviously completely escapes you.


hmm right.. if u did your research correctly you would of noticed that methly and ehtly mercury are used. and btw thermasol is still used just not in most of them. ...


If you can't even spell the words well enough for people to recognize them it's kind of hard to take you seriously. I know what Ethyl and Methyl Mercury are –– that's not what you posted. You should really read the link I posted –– it has quite a bit of good info that you could use to educate yourself so you don't sound like an idiot talking about something when you haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. It addresses the Ethyl and Methyl Mercury issues as well.


whats matter hit a nerve, cant get your point across you then attack me personally. pathetic.


That was not a personal attack. It was a suggestion that you educate yourself before spouting off on a subject that you don't know anything about rather than pretending to be an expert. If you literally can't spell a single one of the words we're discussing (thimerasol, ethyl, methyl, genetically –– you misspelled every scientific word in your post, even after I corrected your spellings), no one can possibly take your opinion seriously.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:00:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 12:04:04 PM EST by AJ_Dual]
Originally Posted By Silence:

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.


Buncha BS.



Absofriggin-looutely BS.

Although I feel pity rather than anger for the people that push the idea. They're in a lot of pain and they need to find some reason besides just "bad luck" their child is developmentaly disabled.

The "rise" in diagnosed cases of Autisim is directly proportional to the decline in other kinds of "mental retardation". There has been a shift in favor from one diagnosis to another, but the total percentage of kids with developmental disabilities per-capita is remaining roughly the same.

The only real cluster ot Autisim that's well documented has been Silicon Valley, and the theroy there is that there's a higher proportion of people with Asperger's there, since they often make good engineers and programmers. They marry, and may be passing on Asperger's/Autisim traits to their children.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:01:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By AFARR:
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



OK, as mentioned above the BS is strong in this post.

#1. Vaccine mfgs pay into a fund for people harmed by vaccines. Yes, there are people that are actually HARMED by vaccines...allergic reactions, etc. are relatively rare but do happen. That pays for problems.

#2. The Merc/Autism link has never been show scientifically (controlled studies with reproducible data)...unless you consider the mind of a Playboy Playmate (Jenny McCarthy) to be scientific enough.

#3. Since 2001 Mercury has NOT been used as a preservative in vaccines (with limited exceptions)––yet Autism continues to rise.

A lot of the issue is the "now there's more head wounds with the Kevlar helmets" effect...the US Army went from steel pots to Kevlar and head wounds increased. Why? Did the Kevlar cause more soldiers to get shot? No...the gunshots that would have caused a death with the steel pot were only wounds with the Kevlar. Autism is a lot more common for a few reasons (and, I'm sure there are a fair number that are yet undiscovered)..more awareness leading to a diagnosis of Autism (instead of "oh, Jimmy's just Slow"), and also that schools get considerable amounts of money for "special needs" kids....kids that are a bit slower to learn (on the left side of the bell curve) may get a forced diagnosis of Autism (because the school gets extra money...same as a LOT of kids have ADD/ADHD diagnosis these days).

To the OP: I immunize my kids. I think it's foolish for parents to not immunize (the risks are low vs. the potential problems of the childhood diseases). The ones that do it are like the people that don't want to pay the fare for the bus...but grab on the back and ride on the bumper. Most of the time, they'll be fine....because the people paying for the bus keep it in good repair and on a regular schedule. However, if it hits enough bumps in the road..they'll fall off and get hurt. It's called Herd Immunity (relying on most of the kids in the school/daycare/etc. to stay healthy and not bring things like polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, etc.) into the school. Then little Juan shows up from Mexico or Abungu from Africa or Long Dong from China shows up carrying one of the diseases, and Jack or Jill are in the hospital dying.

AFARR


Well said.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:01:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
It's the parents of non-immunized kids that freak me out.


My dad is a surgeon and my mom is a nurse (ER, OR, long term care––each over the years). I received basic immunizations when I was born and when I was a toddler. Since then nothing. They've both told me what I haven't had, I haven't and won't need.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:02:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 12:06:03 PM EST by TORQ]
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By joshki:
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


FAIL.

First of all, they don't use thimerosal in most children's vaccines anymore. See the FDA for more info. I'm not sure what "ethyl" or "methy" are, but I doubt either of them are used in anything injected into the body.

Second, we don't genetically engineer half-dead animal cells. There are different types of vaccines, but you're obviously parroting one of the many conspiracy theory websites.

And third, in our founding fathers' day, 50-70% of people who got smallpox died of it. The concept of vaccinations obviously completely escapes you.


hmm right.. if u did your research correctly you would of noticed that methly and ehtly mercury are used. and btw thermasol is still used just not in most of them. ...


If you can't even spell the words well enough for people to recognize them it's kind of hard to take you seriously. I know what Ethyl and Methyl Mercury are –– that's not what you posted. You should really read the link I posted –– it has quite a bit of good info that you could use to educate yourself so you don't sound like an idiot talking about something when you haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about. It addresses the Ethyl and Methyl Mercury issues as well.


whats matter hit a nerve, cant get your point across you then attack me personally. pathetic.


That was not a personal attack. It was a suggestion that you educate yourself before spouting off on a subject that you don't know anything about rather than pretending to be an expert. If you literally can't spell a single one of the words we're discussing (thimerasol, ethyl, methyl, genetically –– you misspelled every scientific word in your post, even after I corrected your spellings), no one can possibly take your opinion seriously.


i aint pretending anything... and im very sure the government has your best interest at heart...
all cause of a few spelling errors.. wow just wow... well you have your opinion, i have mine and so does everyone else.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:04:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


LOL, there's gotta be a joke in there somewhere.


Listen, I don't have children and I'm not sure whether or not I'd have them vaccinated if I did have any, but those of you saying that people who choose not to vaccinate are terrible parents because you believe it to be endangering the kids are the same people who take your 7-year-olds out shooting, despite the majority of Americans thinking that you are being barbarically hazardous and boorish. (I'm not one of them, BTW)
Point being, the parents who do this genuinely believe it's the best thing for their babies. Whether or not it IS, I sure don't know but what seems insane to one guy is perfect sense to the next. I'd err on the side of freedom and leave it up to the individual, despite the possible ramifications in doing so.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:05:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By TORQ:
Originally Posted By t3rror:
Something else to think about in this discussion are the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated on the same schedule as is standard today. The vaccines can be harmful when given to someone whose immune system is deficient at the time the vaccine is administered. If someone is sick, don't give them a vaccine that is going to pummel their already busy immune system.

Some people are choosing to skip the vaccines that have normally been given when children are very young, since it is more difficult to determine what state the child's immune system is in. Instead they are waiting until the child is old enough to communicate how they feel, and moving along with the vaccines.




Ding DIng we have a winner !

nothing wrong with the concept of vaccinations, it just the delivery system/preservative of the ethyl,methy, and thermasol in vaccinations. Not to mention its genitally engineered with half dead cells from animals. Back it day life our founding fathers time, if u wanted to vaccinate against small pox, u basically caught smallpox on purpose through one means or another.


Ethyl and methyl are alkyl functional groups. What are you talking about? Ethyl-what? Methyl-what?

The rest of your post is barely comprehensible and shows a lack of knowledge about science and history.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:08:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By ffsparky26:
it's all fun and games untill they get pollio.


No kidding. IMO, the risk of a serious, debilitating disease outweighs the risk of autism (which, based on things I've read, isn't even a risk).

Speaking of which, I signed up for my annual flu vaccine today.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 12:08:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
There has been a huge upsurge in the number of kids with autism, from something like 1 in 10,000 or so, to now, 1 in 150. This huge surge in autism started about the time that compulsory immunization for kids going to school started. Many reported that the symtoms of autism began right after the child received the "MMR" (Mumps, Measles, Rubella) shot. The symptoms seem to be similar to mercury poisoning, and linked to Thermerisol (spelling?), an ingrediant in many vaccines.

So, if some parents seem resistant to having their kids immunized, they have good reason. They may be wrong, but they have good reason. I'm not saying I agree, just that it is a reason many parents don't want their kids getting these shots too early.

Simply googling "autism vaccine" gets these results:

http://www.know-vaccines.org/autism.html

You will find as many links on one side of the issue as the other. Some links will quote studies that claim to disprove a link between these vaccines, mercury, and autism. But think about this... what would happen to doctors, pharmaceutical companies, state governments that require these shots for school, if a link had been found? I would have to wonder if any of these researchers have an agenda to protect the medical field from possible law suits.

Still, I never saw a kid with autism years ago. Now the special ed classes are filled with them. 1 in 150. Something is wrong here.



There is no proof that vaccines cause or contribute to autism. There are a lot of people jumping to conclusions, a lot of emotion, and a lot of junk science. There are people with heartbreaking stories who really "need" to have something to blame, and vaccines have become the common target with all the careful consideration of a lynch mob.

You see the same thing with the fluoride nuts.

No proof of cause, and you can't realistically prove the complete lack of cause. It could just as easily be blamed on Tang.
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