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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:00:04 PM EST
First person to guess correctly wins

can you ID this WW2 German fighter?




Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:00:55 PM EST
HE 100
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:02:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 12:06:09 PM EST by Seabee_Mech]
Heinkel HE 100

ETA: "On the 30th of March 1939 a prototype of the new Heinkel He 100 fighter design streaked into the record books at 746.6km/h — the new world absolute speed record. Surprisingly it took the record away from a plane with well over twice the horsepower, and beat it by over 40km/h. Lessons learned from earlier Heinkel projects had been put to good use and its advanced aerodynamics resulted in a plane that was the best performing fighter in the air, even in its less slippery production line model.

Little information on the plane is available, and what there is often contradictory. All we know for sure is that Heinkel built the world's fastest plane, and it was suitable for use as a fighter (unlike many racing planes). We also know that after being built and proving itself in testing, the production line only built twelve planes before shutting down. The rest of the He 100 story is clouded in mystery, which makes it all the more interesting. "

Link

Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:04:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 12:06:11 PM EST by Rampant_Colt]
man, you guys are good!!

i thought ths woulda stumped a few of y'all - i gotta make these threads harder...

eta - i thought i was being sneaky with my URL code
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:13:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
Heinkel HE 100

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ETA: "On the 30th of March 1939 a prototype of the new Heinkel He 100 fighter design streaked into the record books at 746.6km/h — the new world absolute speed record.

I was gonna include a hint that the Japs used a version of it IIRC called the Tony; guess i didn't need it.

I think the Germans would have been better off with this plane in their arsenal rather than the -109
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:21:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rampant_Colt:

Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
Heinkel HE 100

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ETA: "On the 30th of March 1939 a prototype of the new Heinkel He 100 fighter design streaked into the record books at 746.6km/h — the new world absolute speed record.

I was gonna include a hint that the Japs used a version of it IIRC called the Tony; guess i didn't need it.

I think the Germans would have been better off with this plane in their arsenal rather than the -109


The Ki-61 Hien was only influenced by the Heinkel design, mostly the fuselage. Gorgeous planes, though. The 109 was such an ugly duckling compared to the He.100...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:22:17 PM EST
More from my link"

"The Heinkel He 100 story starts in 1933 with the Reichsluftsfahrtministerium (Reich Air Ministry, or RLM) competition to produce the first modern fighter for the re-forming Luftwaffe. Four designs were submitted; Arado's Ar 80, Focke–Wulf's Fw 159, Heinkel's He 112 and the Messerschmitt Bf 109. All four planes were tested competitively in early 1936 with interim engines, and the Ar 80 and Fw 159 were quickly eliminated. Both the 112 and 109 were considered worthy of further testing, and orders were sent out for 15 additional aircraft from both companies.

Although Heinkel was considered the favorite to win the contract, the more modern and better performing 109 won over the Flight Acceptance Commission. By late March of 1936 the 109 was considered the favorite. At that point Heinkel was allowed to redesign the 112, which resulted in the largely all–new 112B. The 112B was considerably improved and was as good or better than the 109, but the 109 won anyway.

The 112 had a few problems that lost it the competition. The first was that the airframe was rather complex; it included a large number of compound curves and its elliptical wing was labor intensive. The RLM was looking to produced hundreds of planes, so cost in both dollars and manhours was a factor. The prototypes also suffered from a series of accidents, even if they weren't related to problems with the plane they still left a bad taste in the mouth.

But the biggest problem for the 112 was that after learning that Supermarine had started series production of the Spitfire, the Luftwaffe was desperate to get a modern fighter into squadron hands. Heinkel might have won the competition had the B model been available in early 1936, but by the time they were ready in the second half of the year the 109 was already in series production.

Nevertheless some small scale contracts for the plane were finally secured with a variety of air forces in Europe and Japan. Thirty were bought by Japan, but twelve of these were used briefly by the Luftwaffe during the Sudetenland Crisis. Another nineteen were then sold to Spain where they served long careers. Thirty were sold to Romania, they served in combat in 1941 but were quickly worn out. Finally three more B's were sold to Hungary as the vanguard of a license production series that never took place.

By 1939 production of the He 112 ended, and it appeared that Heinkel was out of the fighter business."

It was a good plane, hands down a better performer than the 109 however the 109 was easier to mass produce so the 109 won the day. I also remember reading something about politics being involved too.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:24:15 PM EST
Too easy.

Also, In Before BV141, the oddest-looking German aircraft of WWII.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:44:51 PM EST
According to a 1970's paperback book i read, these Heinkel fighters were used in a propaganda program of deception by changing the numbers on the fuselage and parking them in various different locations to make it appear that there were numerous squadrons of these located all around the Reich, when in fact there were less than 100 total made [i can't verify that number]
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:46:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rampant_Colt:
First person to guess correctly wins

can you ID this WW2 German fighter?
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HE 100/112


It was a huge hoax.
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 12:57:31 PM EST
HE-112

HE-114

The hienkel fighter that was around in 39-40 time frame...
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 1:01:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
Heinkel HE 100

ETA: "On the 30th of March 1939 a prototype of the new Heinkel He 100 fighter design streaked into the record books at 746.6km/h —


What is that in big people talk?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 1:08:06 PM EST
Pretty damn fast for 1939

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or 463.91573 mph
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 1:40:16 PM EST
Wasn't that push/pull twin engine Dornier faster?
Link Posted: 10/8/2007 1:41:31 PM EST
The real question is " would it take off from a treadmill"?
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