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11/22/2017 10:05:29 PM
Posted: 10/26/2004 6:31:38 AM EST
the Bush administration - but the cat got let out of the bag

breaking on Drudge
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:33:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:38:31 AM EST
It's too bad the explosives were stolen prior to the invasion, then, isn't it?

Has anyone at CBS ever heard of this new invention called the internet?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:40:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
That and 60 minutes still is trying to recover from memogate... I think the owners of the network said the story is weak, there are contradictions and we're not going down over this.



I've already heard reports that the explosives were gone before our forces even arrived to the bunkers they were kept in. Apparently NBC had reporters embedded with the unit that was to guard those bunkers, and when they got there they were already gone.

The DNC is trying to spin this story as something that recently happened, as if Bush was incompetent and let the terrorists (that oddly enough, the DUers claim not to exist ) sneak them out right from under our noses. When in reality this happened over a year and a half ago on our march to Baghdad. So, if this report is true, how can it possibly make Bush look bad if they were taken before our forces even arrived? I don't see this story going very far and if anything I think it's going to hurt Kerry more, especially if they blow the whistle on it like with memogate.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:41:05 AM EST
Probably why CBS wanted to use it last minute before it could be debunked like their forged documents were.. luckily NBC was on the case on this one and has already released a story challenging it.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the big networks broadcast a flat-out lie in an attempt to swing the election.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:41:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:


Has anyone at CBS ever heard of this new invention called the internet?



Sure they have, their buddy Al Gore invented it for them.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:42:28 AM EST
what media bias?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:44:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bartholomew_Roberts:
Probably why CBS wanted to use it last minute before it could be debunked like their forged documents were.. luckily NBC was on the case on this one and has already released a story challenging it.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see one of the big networks broadcast a flat-out lie in an attempt to swing the election.




Too funny.

CBS is "scooped" by the internet and NBC is flogging them for their lies.

The Liberal media is eating each other.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:46:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 7:04:02 AM EST by warlord]
Doesn't surprise me that the liberal news media outlets are playing games with us to influence the presidential race. Thank god for the internet, which debunks this BS in a very timely manner. In the past the truth wouldn't come out until months later after everything is said and done.

The NYTimes is already spinning that as:
Iraq Explosives Become Issue in Campaign
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 6:57:54 AM EST
It really is a shame that the media has become the enemy. Freedom of the press is a good thing but like other rights it does not relinquish the party from responsibility for saying whatever they want. At least that is the standard for other of our rights so why is the "mainstream" media not held to some kind of standard. they've done their damage, and now that it is all bullshit they will sweep it under the rug and simply hope they swung a few, ill-informed, ignorant voters to vote for the socialists. I tell ya, it is a good thing that some people don't vote.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:00:13 AM EST
The way that Kerry ran with the NYT story makes him look worse than he did before. Just look at how many briefings he missed and then he takes what the NYT prints and runs with it. Kerry is a bigger dope than I originally took him for.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:04:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By gunham:
The way that Kerry ran with the NYT story makes him look worse than he did before. Just look at how many briefings he missed and then he takes what the NYT prints and runs with it. Kerry is a bigger dope than I originally took him for.



Very good point. I think this could be a very good way of rebutting Kerry and making him look like a fool when/if the main stream media starts playing how the explosives were gone before we even got there.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:08:13 AM EST
Hopefully people will remember this little gem before they seek to condemn the proliferation of imbedded reporters again.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:08:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
Doesn't surprise me that the liberal news media outlets are playing games with us to influence the presidential race. Thank god for the internet, which debunks this BS in a very timely manner. In the past the truth wouldn't come out until months later after everything is said and done.

The NYTimes is already spinning that as:
Iraq Explosives Become Issue in Campaign


Here is the story from the NYT, only the first few paragraphs pertain to the headline, the rest is other campaign BS.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26campaign.html?hp&ex=1098849600&en=1041c35ee6aa5150&ei=5094&partner=homepage
October 26, 2004
THE CANDIDATES

Iraq Explosives Become Issue in Campaign
By DAVID E. SANGER

DAVENPORT, Iowa, Oct. 25 - The White House sought on Monday to explain the
disappearance of 380 tons of high explosives in Iraq that American forces were
supposed to secure, as Senator John Kerry seized on the missing cache as "one of
the great blunders of Iraq" and said President Bush's "incredible incompetence"
had put American troops at risk.

Mr. Bush never mentioned the disappearance of the high explosives during a long
campaign speech in Greeley, Colo., about battling terrorism. Instead, evoking
images of the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks and traveling with Rudolph W.
Giuliani, the former New York mayor, at his side, Mr. Bush made an impassioned
appeal to voters to let him "finish the work we have started." But he also
charged that his opponent had abandoned the defense principles of Democrats like
John F. Kennedy.

"Senator Kerry has turned his back on 'Pay any price and bear any burden,' " Mr.
Bush said, "and he has replaced those commitments with 'wait and see' and 'cut
and run.' "

Yet even as Mr. Bush pressed his case, his aides tried to explain why American
forces had ignored warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency about
the vulnerability of the huge stockpile of high explosives, whose disappearance
was first reported on Monday by CBS and The New York Times.

In several sessions with reporters, the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan,
alternately insisted that Mr. Bush "wants to make sure that we get to the bottom
of this" and tried to distance the president from knowledge of the issue, saying
Mr. Bush was informed of the disappearance only within the last 10 days. White
House officials said they could not explain why warnings from the international
agency in May 2003 about the stockpile's vulnerability to looting never resulted
in action. At one point, Mr. McClellan pointed out that "there were a number of
priorities at the end of Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Asked about accusations from the Kerry campaign that the White House had kept
the disappearance secret until The Times and CBS broke the story on Monday
morning, Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director, said the White
House had decided "to get all the facts and find out exactly what happened in
this case, and then whether there are other cases."

Ms. Bartlett went on to say, "So doing it piecemeal - I don't think that would
have been the responsible thing." He said that so far, no other large-scale
cases of looting of explosives had been found.
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Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:10:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By Unknown1Sailor:
Has anyone at CBS ever heard of this new invention called the internet?



Has anyone at CBS ever heard of telling the truth?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:10:24 AM EST
I heard they found a giant DUPE!
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:15:03 AM EST
This ain't no dupe -its the first thread on this story.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:21:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By gunham:
The way that Kerry ran with the NYT story makes him look worse than he did before. Just look at how many briefings he missed and then he takes what the NYT prints and runs with it. Kerry is a bigger dope than I originally took him for.



Very good point. I think this could be a very good way of rebutting Kerry and making him look like a fool when/if the main stream media starts playing how the explosives were gone before we even got there.



This just goes to show how utterly without merit the Kerry candidacy is. His campaign is so bereft of vision, so bereft of legitimate criticism that he has to jump at every bit of news he can find (Christopher Reeve, the flu shots, this, etc...) and try to make it Bush's fault to win votes. The Democratic machine INSTANTLY grabs stuff like this and runs around spouting sh*t all over the place about Bush's incompetence and how badly he is running the war.

Nevermind that NBC was THERE with the soldiers and says that the aforementioned weapons were missing BEFORE THE SOLDIERS WERE ABLE TO SECURE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

And this is particularly ironic given how much press complaining there was about the ground war in Iraq moving "too fast"....

Anyway, NBC has this info and now it looks just like what it is:

A "news" organization drumming up some old story and twisting it in an attempt to make a "gotcha" play against the Bush administration, and hoping that the rest of the media would run, lemming like, with a non-story, all joining to do everything in their power to throw out the guy THEY don't want in office, all the while looking serious and talking about the "responsibilities" of "serious" journalism.

The "news" wing of CBS is NOTHING MORE than an organ for the Democratic party. They are an INTERESTED PARTY seeking to EFFECT THE OUTCOME of the election in a direction they favor. That is NOT objective in the least.

If Kerry REALLY had issues, if Iraq was REALLY predicated upon lies and carried out with incompetence, if the economy was REALLY as bad as they say, and if it was all REALLY Bush's fault, then ALL THESE LIES AND DECEPTIONS WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY.

And yet Kerry's entire campaign is based on nonsense like this. It speaks VOLUMES about what is at stake in this campaign.

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:23:24 AM EST
Greg Palkot of Fox News claims he was there with our troops right after the invasion and a lot of stuff was still there. Unfortunately, guys, I think we did screw this pooch. We should have blown it in place if we could not guard it. Call in air strikes, something.

Fox Story

I even remember them going into some of the bunkers. I don't know that it was this specific site but I remember seeing all the stacks of ammo and mortar rounds and so on. We just didn't plan for what happened after we were there. It's one thing I agree with the left on, though I think Bush is still the best guy to overcome it.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:30:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:32:16 AM EST
So in other words, THIS was their best shot? That explosive used to trigger nukes were safe in the hands of Saddam until Bush invaded and liberated Iraq?

Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:32:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
Greg Palkot of Fox News claims he was there with our troops right after the invasion and a lot of stuff was still there. Unfortunately, guys, I think we did screw this pooch. We should have blown it in place if we could not guard it. Call in air strikes, something.

Fox Story

I even remember them going into some of the bunkers. I don't know that it was this specific site but I remember seeing all the stacks of ammo and mortar rounds and so on. We just didn't plan for what happened after we were there. It's one thing I agree with the left on, though I think Bush is still the best guy to overcome it.



You are thinking of the wrong items. Its 380 tonnes of special explosives that disappeared, and the mortars rounds, artillery rounds, etc etc, were still there, and thats what was seen when the troops went in.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:35:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
It really is a shame that the media has become the enemy. Freedom of the press is a good thing but like other rights it does not relinquish the party from responsibility for saying whatever they want. At least that is the standard for other of our rights so why is the "mainstream" media not held to some kind of standard. they've done their damage, and now that it is all bullshit they will sweep it under the rug and simply hope they swung a few, ill-informed, ignorant voters to vote for the socialists. I tell ya, it is a good thing that some people don't vote.



Excellent points- that's why I'm calling for journalistic reform.

Note to "news" outlets: at least try to appear like you're not cheering for one side over the other.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:37:02 AM EST

What the hell is really going on with this story?????
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:44:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 7:49:28 AM EST by John_Wayne777]

Originally Posted By AmericanPatriot1776:
What the hell is really going on with this story?????



I don't think anyone has a clue....

Here's what I have:

Various weapons were supposedly in known locations prior to our invasion according to UN inspections. Our troops go in and (suprise suprise) the weapons aren't there anymore because people took them and hid them. (People like Sadaam, the Republican Guard, people looking to deal in weapons to make a profit in post war Iraq of whom there are many I am sure....) This was known in 2003.

Now all of a sudden somebody is complaining about some specific weapons not being accounted for, which we KNEW were missing since our troops arrived in 2003. Right?

Just looked at the NBC news site, and here is what they say:

"An NBC News crew that accompanied U.S. soldiers who seized the Al-Qaqaa base three weeks into the war in Iraq reported that troops discovered significant stockpiles of bombs, but no sign of the missing HMX and RDX explosives."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

In other words, when the troops got there, these RDX and HMX explosives WERE NOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. So how this becomes George Bush's fault, I do not know. If the stuff wasn't there when we got there, then how in the hell is it our fault that it is missing?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:47:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 8:18:25 AM EST by RikWriter]
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Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:49:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:51:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By warlord:
Doesn't surprise me that the liberal news media outlets are playing games with us to influence the presidential race. Thank god for the internet, which debunks this BS in a very timely manner. In the past the truth wouldn't come out until months later after everything is said and done.




Only problem is, for the uninformed, they will take these CBS accusations as fact because alot of people are too lazy to do research on their own.

Some damage has already been done unfortunately.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:51:31 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:52:31 AM EST
Are we pissied off yet?

I am.
-LS
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:55:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
Greg Palkot of Fox News claims he was there with our troops right after the invasion and a lot of stuff was still there. Unfortunately, guys, I think we did screw this pooch. We should have blown it in place if we could not guard it. Call in air strikes, something.

Fox Story

I even remember them going into some of the bunkers. I don't know that it was this specific site but I remember seeing all the stacks of ammo and mortar rounds and so on. We just didn't plan for what happened after we were there. It's one thing I agree with the left on, though I think Bush is still the best guy to overcome it.



Aggie did you read the story?


And that's what happened at Al Qaqaa. I'd actually been there in February of 2003. (note we didn't invade until March, he was there in February) A desperate Iraqi regime had brought a bunch of reporters to the site, which the United States had said contained prohibited weapons. We didn't see any. But we did see piles of missiles, which could do real harm in the wrong hands.

And, no doubt, in one of the many bunkers we passed, lay those couple hundred of tons of explosives that are now missing, according to the Iraqi interim government.

I called the IAEA, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, to get more details. I asked spokesman Mark Gwozdecky if the agency was concerned, since the stolen material can be fashioned to trigger atomic weapons or used for more conventional attacks. There was a pause on the end of the line. Then he caught himself and said, "Of course we're concerned."

Understatement. The regular drumbeat of press releases form the U.S. military is of "finds" of weapons caches. What each successive wave of American military that comes here is finding is that the place is another branch of Guns 'R' Us.

In the days when Western reporters could still roam freely I would stroll though markets here. You could buy anything: Chinese fans, toothpaste and machine guns. Well, the toothpaste is out of the tube. The explosives have already been snatched from Al Qaqaa and other places. (Note, Western reporters were able to walk freely BEFORE the invasion... see that explosives were on the open market BEFORE we got there) Now it's coming back to haunt the U.S. military and everybody else here trying to rebuild the country.



I added the underlining and commentary in red... this does not prove their case, it bolsters our's...



You're right, I completely missed that. OH NO!! THE BRAINWASHING IS WORKING!! I read the story twice, even, and I missed that nuance. I guess that's why I can't vote for Kerry. Nuance escapes me.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:55:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
www.latimes.com/news/yahoo/la-fg-cbs26oct26,1,565561.story

The question is... who was shopping the story out. Kerry has been harping on this during the debates. We know Coffee Asanine at the UN hates Bush... who wants to join me in speculating that the UN conveniently releases a letter on this from the head of the IAEA to Coffee Asanine, Kerry's folks conveniently get it... shop it to two media outlets that are proven DNC whores prepared to run with anything anti-Bush regardless of its truthfullness... Note, 60 minutes wasn't concerned about verifying the story, but rather getting enough footage shot and when word was out that they weren't going to air it fast enough for the source's tastes, they start leaking it elsewhere to put the pressure on and low and behold it gets moved immediately by the New York Times without anybody doing any research to learn that NBC was there at the time.



Sounds reasonable to me. I like the way you think, HR.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:57:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
Greg Palkot of Fox News claims he was there with our troops right after the invasion and a lot of stuff was still there. Unfortunately, guys, I think we did screw this pooch.



Nope, but you screwed the reading comprehension. Try again.



I still think we were unprepared for this end game we are now stuck in. I don't propose to cut and run, I don't think anyone else could do a better job. I just think we didn't plan well enough. I don't lay that at any one man's feet. Unfortunately I think it was just a lesson we could not learn any other way. I only wish we could make the entire issue a non-issue by completely annihilating our enemies by whatever means necessary.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:00:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 8:00:49 AM EST by renotse]
NBC exposed the KerryCo Lie Here (Video)

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=287776

Or Here
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:01:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:03:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
Greg Palkot of Fox News claims he was there with our troops right after the invasion and a lot of stuff was still there. Unfortunately, guys, I think we did screw this pooch.



Nope, but you screwed the reading comprehension. Try again.



I still think we were unprepared for this end game we are now stuck in. I don't propose to cut and run, I don't think anyone else could do a better job. I just think we didn't plan well enough. I don't lay that at any one man's feet. Unfortunately I think it was just a lesson we could not learn any other way. I only wish we could make the entire issue a non-issue by completely annihilating our enemies by whatever means necessary.



I think our military did a stellar job on the invasion. The only real mistake I saw initially was not enough boots on the ground. The debacle in Fallujah and Najaf are another story. History has shown repeatedly that politicans are inept at dictating the terms of war.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:05:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 8:11:42 AM EST by warlord]

Originally Posted By kabal57:

Originally Posted By warlord:
Doesn't surprise me that the liberal news media outlets are playing games with us to influence the presidential race. Thank god for the internet, which debunks this BS in a very timely manner. In the past the truth wouldn't come out until months later after everything is said and done.




Only problem is, for the uninformed, they will take these CBS accusations as fact because alot of people are too lazy to do research on their own.

Some damage has already been done unfortunately.


Unfortunately there is no way to undo the damage 100%, but at least the truth is exposed for all to see in a timely manner, at some point it will hit the sheeple/proliteriate.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:08:25 AM EST
I love the female squeal when they blow the wall in that NBC video.

How fantastic is thename of that place?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:08:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:11:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
Greg Palkot of Fox News claims he was there with our troops right after the invasion and a lot of stuff was still there. Unfortunately, guys, I think we did screw this pooch.



Nope, but you screwed the reading comprehension. Try again.



I still think we were unprepared for this end game we are now stuck in. I don't propose to cut and run, I don't think anyone else could do a better job. I just think we didn't plan well enough. I don't lay that at any one man's feet. Unfortunately I think it was just a lesson we could not learn any other way. I only wish we could make the entire issue a non-issue by completely annihilating our enemies by whatever means necessary.



I think our military did a stellar job on the invasion. The only real mistake I saw initially was not enough boots on the ground. The debacle in Fallujah and Najaf are another story. History has shown repeatedly that politicans are inept at dictating the terms of war.



We did not make a MISTAKE in not having enough troops in Iraq at the start. The UN, Germany, France and Russia sabotaged our campaign by not letting the 4th ID pass through Turkey. The only alternative left was to do it the way we did it or call the whole thing off..
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:14:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

We did not make a MISTAKE in not having enough troops in Iraq at the start. The UN, Germany, France and Russia sabotaged our campaign by not letting the 4th ID pass through Turkey. The only alternative left was to do it the way we did it or call the whole thing off..



I agree. A convenient lapse of memory on behalf of so many people on the left....

A buddy of mine was ready to go into Iraq, but got stopped on a ship because he couldn't get through Turkey. So he got re-deployed.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:14:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 8:24:07 AM EST by warlord]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
We did not make a MISTAKE in not having enough troops in Iraq at the start. The UN, Germany, France and Russia sabotaged our campaign by not letting the 4th ID pass through Turkey. The only alternative left was to do it the way we did it or call the whole thing off..


There was an unholy alliance between France who wanted to sell to Iraq more military weapons, and Russia who was owed serveral billion dollars worth of oil field equipment by Iraq. Speaking about an ax to grind.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:14:58 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:17:11 AM EST
Write to CBS-NOW

Once again, I find myself writing your "news" orginization wanting to air a complaint concerning your reporting choices.
On the drudge report today, they reported this -Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday edition of 60 MINUTES, said in a statement that "our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold..."
It is BLATANTLY clear that you ONLY wish to report on items which may turn support from our president. As a "news orginazation" I feel you have a responsibility to report the facts as they come up, and not time their releaze to make the most negative political impact.
This is the last time I will write your company. I will now shift may attention to your sponsers and tell them in no uncertain terms that I will not purchase their products as long as they support your black reporting.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:18:32 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:23:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By gunham:
The way that Kerry ran with the NYT story makes him look worse than he did before. Just look at how many briefings he missed and then he takes what the NYT prints and runs with it. Kerry is a bigger dope than I originally took him for.



Very,very good point.

"Kerry, gets his national security information from the NYT instead of national security briefings"

Lets' here about this for the next few days from our guys.

GM
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:23:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 8:25:00 AM EST by drjarhead]
Armdlbrl,
You and I have had this discussion before. I said we didn't have enough men the day of the invasion. It is abundantly clear that I was correct. We have been unable to control the countryside in Iraq. It has cost American lives, endangered the effort there, and given our enemies the illusion that they defeat us, further emboldening their actions.

Lt Gen. drjarhead


ETA: This is the real world. Good intentions don't mean shit. It is results that matter.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:32:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 8:33:56 AM EST by HiramRanger]
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 8:56:31 AM EST
heh,

I've been copying/pasting them to text files stored on my PC...

-LS
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