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Posted: 10/3/2014 3:21:45 PM EST
Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment.

Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:22:26 PM EST
Sign me up... But I will miss my Halcyon gear.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:22:28 PM EST
Now that's pretty awesome.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:24:44 PM EST
As long as you didn't hit stagnant water.....
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:27:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By raven:
Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment.

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Sounds like dangerous assed stuff.

Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room....

Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:29:09 PM EST
We better ban it. It could also be used as a weapon.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:30:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Stlkid:
We better ban it. It could also be used as a weapon.
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For the kids, right?
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:30:40 PM EST
Interesting. I wonder if it's a controlled release and how much heat (if any) the reaction generates.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:33:50 PM EST
I'd like a never ending supply of o2 for my oxy propane torch please!
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:38:12 PM EST
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Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:40:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/new-crystal-could-let-divers-breathe-underwater-141002.htm#mkcpgn=rssnws1


Sounds like dangerous assed stuff.

Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room....

Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink.
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Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
Originally Posted By raven:
Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment.
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/new-crystal-could-let-divers-breathe-underwater-141002.htm#mkcpgn=rssnws1


Sounds like dangerous assed stuff.

Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room....

Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink.



First thing that I thought of as well.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:43:05 PM EST
I think I read somewhere that the "corrected" version of this is that

it take about 10 liters of material to suck up a roomful of oxygen, not a spoonful.

Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:43:24 PM EST
SCUBA hell...

This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion....
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:44:44 PM EST
First line of story negates the tech savvy of the reporter.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:46:15 PM EST
Considering that it is generally considered dangerous to breathe pure oxygen below 20fsw (~1.6ata pp02), I say this is BS.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:46:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Sign me up... But I will miss my Halcyon gear.
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DSS is better value for money. With that being said, I bought a 30lbs Eclipse before learning about DSS.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:47:51 PM EST
I'm dubious of such claims.
And if it is real, get ready for lots and lots of fires when people release oxygen in the wrong place at the wrong time
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:48:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Stlkid:
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Ha! came to post this. Sure sounds like it could be used for nefarious purposes also.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:55:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By anbbna:
Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers
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If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine.

At more than 20 feet, well........


Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:57:22 PM EST
Screw diving-think about the possibilities it has as an oxidizer. New fuels, more potent energetic materials, the eventual uses for long term space exploration... And if they can figure something out that will bond with carbon permanently, stuff hippies full of it as a carbon sink in areas like China, where they're pumping greenhouse gasses out like something out of a Dickens novel.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:57:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Red_Label:



First thing that I thought of as well.
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Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
Originally Posted By raven:
Scientists have created a crystalline material that can pull all the oxygen out of room with just a spoonful. And it can release that oxygen when and where it's needed. What some have dubbed the Aquaman crystal offers tantalizing promise for those tethered to bulky equipment.
http://news.discovery.com/adventure/new-crystal-could-let-divers-breathe-underwater-141002.htm#mkcpgn=rssnws1


Sounds like dangerous assed stuff.

Lots of O2 in a small space, can pull it from a room....

Cops come by open the closed room and can't figure out what killed the person because it's in a dish washer detergent box under the sink.



First thing that I thought of as well.
Sounds like all you would need to execute a condemned prisoner is to have an airtight room and a cup full of this stuff to me...
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 3:57:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Sign me up... But I will miss my Halcyon gear.
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I won't miss lugging those manifolded doubles and stages though.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 4:03:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BiggiBen:




If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine.

At more than 20 feet, well........


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Originally Posted By anbbna:
Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers




If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine.

At more than 20 feet, well........




Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available.
That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 4:08:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lange:


Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available.
That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues.
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Originally Posted By Lange:
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:
Originally Posted By anbbna:
Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers




If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine.

At more than 20 feet, well........




Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available.
That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues.


It would have to be a component of some complex closed-loop system controlled by some complex electronics, like a rebreather is now. So in other words, it would price 99.9% of divers out of the market, again, just like rebreathers already do.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 4:23:25 PM EST
Generating oxygen is only half the battle. CO2 must be scrubbed or split into C and O2.

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Originally Posted By anbbna:
Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers
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This is where I was going.

Not to mention the effects of depth...
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 4:42:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:
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Years ago, I would have expected Discovery to follows such simple standards as writing articles that aren't totally ignorant of their subject. Now I'm confused about why they'd even bother with a news item like this. Maybe a psychic found it in Amish Country while shopping for a wedding dress.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 4:46:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
SCUBA hell...

This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion....
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Yeah, this would have applications WAY beyond recreational diving.


First of all, let's talk about where it's getting the energy for this trick...
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 4:56:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sigp226:

Years ago, I would have expected Discovery....
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Now you're making me miss OMNI. :(

Fun fact. #2 GF had a subscription to OMNI when it went under. The publisher only had one other magazine, so they completed the subscription obligation with it.
Her parents were NOT amused when Penthouse started showing up with a 16 year old girls name in the address field.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 5:22:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
SCUBA hell...

This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion....
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That's what I'm thinking.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 5:40:30 PM EST
One fun use would be subs. Diesel motors can simply eject the co2
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 5:43:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ARmory04:
Now that's pretty awesome.
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Link Posted: 10/3/2014 5:52:36 PM EST
We must turn this technology into a grenade.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 6:03:42 PM EST
That stuff would burn like gunpowder.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 6:13:06 PM EST
Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 6:21:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition.
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This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 6:23:14 PM EST
Anyone know just what this shit is?

Something with cobalt in it...
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 6:27:49 PM EST
Didn't the Japs use this as a weapon to kill Godzilla in the 1st movie?
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 9:20:32 PM EST
Great way to put out fires, just figure out the ins and outs.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 9:23:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Whizzinator:
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it take about 10 liters of material to suck up a roomful of oxygen, not a spoonful.

Good point. 1000 cubic feet of air has what? 30 pounds of oxygen in it? Something around there.

The molarity they are talking about doesn't fit the ratios they are talking about.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 9:38:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
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the future of grenades/flashbangs?
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 9:54:14 PM EST
Link to better story: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140930113254.htm

Link to abstract of actual science journal article: http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2014/SC/C4SC01636J#!divAbstract (a little too deep for me).

One of the cool things about this discovery is that it would allow combustion to take place in pure oxygen environments. Take O2 out of the air and release it in a combustion chamber.

I wonder what the energy requirements are for the releasing the O2.
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
SCUBA hell...

This could fundamentally alter pretty much everything that involves combustion....
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If the oxygen density is greater than that of liquid oxygen it would be very useful for space flight applications.
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Bullets also. They would suck the tissue's oxygen and not just mechanically destroy it.

Stop the bleeding with a compress just to make things worse until the bullet is removed.

If the O2 liberation is highly exothermic make it be triggered when the bullet is pulled out or after a few minutes absorbing oxygen.


Dang... demonic weapon.




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Originally Posted By Lange:


Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available.
That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues.
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Originally Posted By Lange:
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:
Originally Posted By anbbna:
Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
ETA. This could probably be adapted to a rebreather but you would need more efficient CO2 scrubbers




If you kept your depth less than 20 feet, you would be fine.

At more than 20 feet, well........




Not ever workable for a diving system unless worked into a re breather system. Breathing is about pulling in a little O2 and breathing out a lot of CO2. if you don't have the volume of gas available to breath normally you will die regardless of the amount of O2 available.
That's on top of the O2 toxicity issues.


I would imagine that they would just use it like a longer lasting rebreather. There has to be a release of some sort of energy to get 02 out, so that would be the control.

I do feel that diving is on the very low end of possibilities if this stuff really works. Longer space flights, more efficient engines and energy production, weapons, medical field (wound healing, home 02 users, etc). Im confident that there will be a breakthrough regardless if this works in the field of molecular generation/splitting giving a more efficient and widespread ability to break down C02, water, etc.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:16:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:


This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water.
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition.


This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water.



So it won't replace scuba after all?
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So it won't replace scuba after all?
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
Originally Posted By PR361:
Rocket fuel from Water? Tank full of water, pump it through a matrix to absorb the oxygen out, leaving behind hydrogen , recombine with ignition.


This absorbs free oxygen. Pretty sure it doesn't break down water.



So it won't replace scuba after all?
There's free oxygen diffused in water, fish don't break it down either
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:30:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SpanishInquisition:



Now you're making me miss OMNI. :(

Fun fact. #2 GF had a subscription to OMNI when it went under. The publisher only had one other magazine, so they completed the subscription obligation with it.
Her parents were NOT amused when Penthouse started showing up with a 16 year old girls name in the address field.
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Originally Posted By sigp226:

Years ago, I would have expected Discovery....



Now you're making me miss OMNI. :(

Fun fact. #2 GF had a subscription to OMNI when it went under. The publisher only had one other magazine, so they completed the subscription obligation with it.
Her parents were NOT amused when Penthouse started showing up with a 16 year old girls name in the address field.

That was probably a fun conversation when the first penthouse showed up.
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Originally Posted By Whizzinator:
I think I read somewhere that the "corrected" version of this is that

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You kids. it strips and holds Oxygen from a medium, like water and when you release a deep breath of it into your lungs.
It will start to generate another. But remember you have a second dose. So while one is being used one will be regenerating.

Best construct I can come up with on short notice is. One set of lungs will remove all Oxygen from a room with time.
Fifty sets will "suck up a room full of Oxygen" Much faster. How much would be needed for breaths one through five before breath one was replenished. That's the question. The Oxygen version of a nitrogen generator.




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Originally Posted By anbbna:
Well since you don't dive 100% O2, this entire thing is fucking stupid. Not saying it wouldn't have many applications, but straight scuba ain't one of them
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Well sure you do on deco.

And all the time, it just happens to be mixed with other things. But you don't metabolize the other things.

If it can release it at 3600 psi I'm in.
Link Posted: 10/3/2014 10:33:49 PM EST
1: obtain crystals
2: mix in with tannerite
3. ?????
4: profit
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