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Posted: 5/19/2005 4:58:35 PM EDT
www.buckleupamerica.org/mayplanner/2004/PDFs/ClickItExplanation%20final%20edits.pdf


I have been hearing about this on the radio lately. Cops across the nation will be STRONGLY enforcing this program ticketing people for not wearing there seatbelt with fines up to $300!!

Now, I have several problems with this.

#1) The ticket porice is WAY to high

#2) Originally when they decided to start ticketing people for not wearing seatbelts they said it would ONLY be used as a SECONDARY offense and NOT be used as a reason to pull people over.


Well just what? THEY LIED AGAIN!

This was ALWAYS their goal.

And this is why I use the slippery slope arguement..because it is REAL.

Sgatr15


PS ANd I use my seatbelt RELIGIOUSLY btw
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:04:38 PM EDT
Use mine also. Don't want .gov telling me I HAVE to, though.

Nick
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:06:48 PM EDT
"click it or ticket" signs have been on Georgia highways for a long time. Didn't know it was a national program.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:07:47 PM EDT
this is ghey. Are they going to outlaw motorcycles next?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:08:28 PM EDT
Good law.

Since the taxpayers fund your healthcare, they also own control of your body.


I can't wait until they ban saturated fat.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:09:11 PM EDT
Isn't that some nice fucking bullshit? I've been hit for it a few times here in WA state ($101 fine), but refuse to pay. They have NO right to tell me I must wear my seatbelt.

Slippery slope indeed.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:09:46 PM EDT
it is not a new program
and it is not about safety at all - it is about revenue
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:09:49 PM EDT
Click it or ticket, BUT they are thinking about repealing the helmet law in Michigan. Whats screwed up about that? ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!! I swear to all that is almighty I am going to make a tee shirt with a damn pic of a seatbelt on it. Words to say damn right I'm wearing. Nannystate.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:12:24 PM EDT
I love my Escort. It's a 91 model. The shoulder belt is automatic. I still wear the lap belt all the time, but it's nice to know that if I'm really off and totally space on it, I still have some protection.

Actually, I don't think I've ever been so far off as to not put my seatbelt on. On the rare occasion I don't wear the lapbelt (from the mailbox to my parking space, all on private property at ~10mph) it feels really weird to not have it. Guess I'm just used to it.


It's a sad state in our country that the government feels it necessary to legislate what I would have thought to be common sense. I'm not sure if that says more about the .gov or about the people out there, but it's sad either way.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:13:09 PM EDT
Our freedoms are being taken away one by one. THe sheeple want to feel safe. That's what the judiciary fight is about. If Jorge can appoint 3 right judges to SCOTUS, things change and the nanny state will be on the defensive
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:16:30 PM EDT
"New revenue enhancement program Click it or ticket"


(I wear my belt all the time, but this is more nanny state BS and yet another excuse to go fishin')

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:18:41 PM EDT
It's also gonna be a great new way for cops to pull people over so they can go on more "curbside searching" of your vehicle.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:20:16 PM EDT
It's a scam to make some money.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:21:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:22:31 PM EDT
It's been in Illinois as well. Considering all the nuts on the roads, we need the SB law.

I wear the belt ANYTIME I get in a car.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:22:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 5:24:18 PM EDT by MDC85]
anyone have a new shitty vehicle that starts beeping if you dont have your seatbelt on? mine does for both the passenger and drivers side.

"I wear the belt ANYTIME I get in a car. "

that is your CHOICE. thats what we're griping about here. I would wear mine too if it wasn't a law, but people should have the choice to wear a stupid little belt or not.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:25:39 PM EDT
That's old news around here, that phrase is many years old.

Took it awhile to make it from the East Coast to the West Coast.

Now it's Natiowide!

It came on like thunder and dissipated quickly.

If you have more folks than you have seat belts inside a cab, sweat a little.

Time to get those belts out from behind the seat! Especially the middle pickup seats.

Danny
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:31:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
it is not a new program
and it is not about safety at all - it is about revenue



Yep. The police will do whatever they are told, and you better believe it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:35:20 PM EDT
Here in Pennsylvania it's no longer mandatory to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle,
but you must wear a seat belt when driving your car!






Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:37:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Minuteman419:
That's old news around here, that phrase is many years old.

Took it awhile to make it from the East Coast to the West Coast.

Now it's Natiowide!

It came on like thunder and dissipated quickly.

If you have more folks than you have seat belts inside a cab, sweat a little.

Time to get those belts out from behind the seat! Especially the middle pickup seats.

Danny



Nationwide? Try again. Not in my state, it's not.

Here it's "Click it? Hey, stick it!"

I wear my belt at all times, but that's my choice. If you wish to not wear it, why is it my business? Or the State's?

Safety? Bullshit. It's all about the Benjamin's
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:39:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SINCE_1829:
Here in Pennsylvania it's no longer mandatory to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle,
but you must wear a seat belt when driving your car!



home.comcast.net/~labradorx3/seatbeltsave.jpg





what exactly are we seeing there?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:40:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By SINCE_1829:
Here in Pennsylvania it's no longer mandatory to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle,
but you must wear a seat belt when driving your car!



home.comcast.net/~labradorx3/seatbeltsave.jpg





what exactly are we seeing there?




Looks like someone that got hung via seatbelt.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:43:03 PM EDT
"click it or ticket".... what a crock of poo. I say wait till the cop is behind you and pick it and flick it.
Hopefully it lands right on his winshield.

Dang these overprotective laws suck.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:43:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ScottS:

Originally Posted By Minuteman419:
That's old news around here, that phrase is many years old.

Took it awhile to make it from the East Coast to the West Coast.

Now it's Natiowide!

It came on like thunder and dissipated quickly.

If you have more folks than you have seat belts inside a cab, sweat a little.

Time to get those belts out from behind the seat! Especially the middle pickup seats.

Danny



Nationwide? Try again. Not in my state, it's not.

Here it's "Click it? Hey, stick it!"

I wear my belt at all times, but that's my choice. If you wish to not wear it, why is it my business? Or the State's?

Safety? Bullshit. It's all about the Benjamin's



True and my bad, in Va. it was a big deal for awhile (I'm VDOT). I make it a habit, It's drilled into us.

It's about saving lives and safety and money.

YMMV, IMO.

Danny
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:44:19 PM EDT
Yea, they have that in Oregon as well. Just like with the helmet laws it was said that all our insurance rate would go down. What a crock. Yet enough idiots decided to vote for letting the state become their babysitter, yet again.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:44:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 5:45:04 PM EDT by TheHappyBlaster]
Radio ads in the Il-MO area this week are stating that "60% of people who dies in traffic accidents were not wearing their seat belts."

Umm, might just be my contrarian nature, but, ergo, does this not also mean that 40% WERE wearing their seatbelts? Fat lot of good it did them.

It's about safety, not revenue. Yeah, whatever.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:46:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 5:50:26 PM EDT by SINCE_1829]

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By SINCE_1829:
Here in Pennsylvania it's no longer mandatory to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle,
but you must wear a seat belt when driving your car!



home.comcast.net/~labradorx3/seatbeltsave.jpg





what exactly are we seeing there?




Presumably an occupant trapped within the confinements of his overturned truck due to a safety belt. Looks like alot of mud and debris, as if he went into a body of water. Don't really know and a bit hard to decipher. Either way, he's well restrained by his restraining belt.

Edited to say occupant as opposed to driver.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:46:55 PM EDT
I was talking with my brother (a cop) just last weekend about this Nazi assed law. He told me that departments that sign on with the Click it program can actually win overtime grant money based on how many tickets they write.

It is bad enough that the Goddamn feds threaten to withold money from the states in order to get these laws passed. It is worse yet that the cocksuckers actually passed the laws. But now the police departments are getting rewarded based on officers writing chicken shit seat belt tickets.

Horseshit. Pure horseshit.

Obey your Uncle Gov, he knows what's best for you.

Seat belt laws suck.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:50:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy223:
I was talking with my brother (a cop) just last weekend about this Nazi assed law. He told me that departments that sign on with the Click it program can actually win overtime grant money based on how many tickets they write.




States get monies from the Feds for supporting and enforcing. If they don't, guess what?

Danny
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:51:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PsychoI3oy:
I love my Escort. It's a 91 model. The shoulder belt is automatic. I still wear the lap belt all the time, but it's nice to know that if I'm really off and totally space on it, I still have some protection.

Actually, I don't think I've ever been so far off as to not put my seatbelt on. On the rare occasion I don't wear the lapbelt (from the mailbox to my parking space, all on private property at ~10mph) it feels really weird to not have it. Guess I'm just used to it.


It's a sad state in our country that the government feels it necessary to legislate what I would have thought to be common sense. I'm not sure if that says more about the .gov or about the people out there, but it's sad either way.



Don't get too secure - a shoulder belt without a lap belt can cut your head off in an accident.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 5:54:14 PM EDT
I got a Doctors note- CavVet does not have to wear a seatbelt.

They can stick it
!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:10:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 6:11:54 PM EDT by sleepercaprice1]
I'm not sure if it's still true, but I know a few years ago, school buses didn't even have seat belts. I asked a cop I know why and he said that if there was an accident, they want to get the kids out quickly and the seat belts would slow things down.
He couldn't explain why they wouldn't want to get the kids out quickly if the accident was in another vehicle and not in the bus.
Truth of the matter is it's about revenue, plain and simple. Most new laws are.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:21:47 PM EDT
I think once you are 18 or so, do as you please.

Otherwise I ain't your nanny.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:25:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:41:49 PM EDT
in the past 13 years,that I have been on the force, about 8 of those were seatbelt law years. I have written exactly 0, ZERO, seatbelts citations. I truly believe it should be up to the driver to decide if he/she wishes to wear one.
seatbelts do save lives, but so do helmets for cycles.... and untill we have a state helmet law, i'm not writing any seatbelt cite's....
I wear mine 99% of the time, and wear helmet all the time. but that's MY choise...
Nobody has ever told me to write more seatbelt cites, the cheif doesn't even write many seatbelt cites.
around here, fine is $70 or so for seatbelt violation. or I should say,,, State sets the fine at $50, but county has a "law library" fee, court fee, and something else i can't thinkof right now.. all ads up.

I make them put it on after i'm finnished with the stop. and cite them for the offence I stopped them for.
off soapbox....
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:03:57 PM EDT
We need to ban alcohol again...
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:13:38 PM EDT
I am glad they are finally willing to enforce the seat belt law. The $300.00 fine, well if it is to high, then I guess you had better get use to wearinga seat belt.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:16:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WayMad:
We need to ban alcohol again...



Yeah....it worked so well the first time around.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:16:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By koisanke:
I am glad they are finally willing to enforce the seat belt law. The $300.00 fine, well if it is to high, then I guess you had better get use to wearinga seat belt.



You don't get it do you?

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:17:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By koisanke:
I am glad they are finally willing to enforce the seat belt law. The $300.00 fine, well if it is to high, then I guess you had better get use to wearinga seat belt.



"Cue the troll"
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:19:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:25:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheHappyBlaster:
Radio ads in the Il-MO area this week are stating that "60% of people who dies in traffic accidents were not wearing their seat belts."

Umm, might just be my contrarian nature, but, ergo, does this not also mean that 40% WERE wearing their seatbelts? Fat lot of good it did them.

It's about safety, not revenue. Yeah, whatever.



odds are if they died with a seatbelt on they were pretty fucked anyway.

Of course I say if you dont want to wear a seatbelt I dont care. You have the right to be stupid just dont sue the car company or someone when your injured in a wreck its not the .govs buieness plus the gene pool could use some chlorine.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:29:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:


I refuse to be told how to keep safe.

I have disconnected my air bags and my ABS brakes too.

That will show them!




Paul, if you read what I wrote you will see that I always where my seat belt. So this is not about safety.

Rather it is about how years ago when they FIRST started this program they said it would be a secondary ticket only with a fine of $35.

Now it is a primary ticket and the fine is $300.

Meanwhile other states that are also required to have this new "safety" law are repealing the helmet "safety" law


So tell me...do you REALLY think this is about safety or incrimentalism?

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:43:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
It's also gonna be a great new way for cops to pull people over so they can go on more "curbside searching" of your vehicle.



Now that sounds more realistic than it being just a revenue scheme.

-jy
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:55:42 PM EDT
In my 1983 Mustang, I had sports bucket seats installed and I had a set of H-harness racing restraints installed for the front seats. From the rear, you couldn't tell there were shoulder belts until you walked up. I got pulled over all the time for things like, burned out lights that somehow started working again after I was pulled over - then got a seat belt ticket - that got tossed at court after I produced pictures showing the restraints and the view from the side and rear. I got pulled over for rolling through a stop sign (I never roll through stop signs) and got a ticket for belts, the old "you car matches the description of...." and the belt ticket yet again - even though I was wearing them when the idiot walked up, as I always was wearing them. Hell, I had my crash helmet in the back seat usually.

Yeah, they needed a "probable cause" issue to stop you but it only took as long as the resourceful officer could make it up.

It's all about revenue and if I want to launch myself through the windshield face first, I should be able to.

I have always worn my belt since I used to legally drag race on a strip. Makes it easier for the EMT's to find the bodies. They get pissed when they need to stop and search for you.....
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:29:48 PM EDT

I was talking with my brother (a cop) just last weekend about this Nazi assed law. He told me that departments that sign on with the Click it program can actually win overtime grant money based on how many tickets they write.

It is bad enough that the Goddamn feds threaten to withold money from the states in order to get these laws passed. It is worse yet that the cocksuckers actually passed the laws. But now the police departments are getting rewarded based on officers writing chicken shit seat belt tickets.

Horseshit. Pure horseshit.

Obey your Uncle Gov, he knows what's best for you.

Seat belt laws suck.





Several months ago I drove through a street next to a school at 3:26 pm. The street has a sign up that says "one way between 7- 7:30 am and 3-3:30 pm" It's 3:26 , not a kid or bus or shit in sight but as I crest a hill there are 3 of the cities finest directing people to pull over if they aren't wearing a seat belt. They wrote me a bloody seatbelt ticket and had the nerve to try and make small talk while ripping me off. Later a sane person on the force told me about the grant money and the overtime the dipsh*#s were making to hijack people in the school zone, and they don't even set up until the busses and everyone clears out so they don't disrupt things.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:40:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 9:43:02 PM EDT by jeager001]
In MT it is a $20 ticket. It is a national program and cops are strongly encouraged to write tickets for seatbelts during this time. I can tell you that fine is far too low, it has little impact on if someone will use their belt or not.
Also, seatbelt violation is not a primary offense. Officers must have something else to pull someone over for it (out tail light, speeding, careless driving, etc).
It also isn't new, it has been around as long as I can remember.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:54:41 PM EDT
What scares me more than this new issue individually is that I am 18. How is this country going to be like when I am 60?

Will I be able to retire a proud U.S. citizen?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:56:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By SINCE_1829:
Here in Pennsylvania it's no longer mandatory to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle,
but you must wear a seat belt when driving your car!



home.comcast.net/~labradorx3/seatbeltsave.jpg





what exactly are we seeing there?



Appears like a door was not locked and the door popped open, driver partially fell out, and the door slammed shut. Seatbelts aren't worth shit if you can't stay inside the cab, hey I remember something from drivers ed 10 yrs ago
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:26:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:33:06 PM EDT
Great Sarge...you're about 2 years to late for MT
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