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Posted: 7/22/2001 9:23:57 AM EST
I remember reading about a pistol that was being developed that fired a very small projectile at a rifle like velocity, with very little recoil. I think I just saw one on a t.v. show and was trying to remember who was making them, and if they will be available to the public. I thought it might be Steyr or HK. THANKS
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 9:47:19 AM EST
FN is marketing the Five seVen, firing the same flea-sized cartridge as the FN PDW. Also, there was a British firm that was developing its own necked down 10mm .224 BOZ cartridge to be used in subguns and conventional 1911/Glock 20 pistols with cut-out slides. The BOZ uses some of the .224 bullets that the 5.56mm Nato round uses, and I think the dimensions are readily available. Marketing a pistol cartridge that is intended to penetrate soft armor is going to be unlikely, but I bet there's someone out there who has rigged one up for private use.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 10:12:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/22/2001 10:10:40 AM EST by raven]
The Five seveN's bullet velocity isn't that extreme. I don't know what it is, but it's not like 2500-4000 fps or anything. There is an outfit in CA selling boxes of saboted .223 bullets in the necked Tokarev round for $20. Kind of like the poor man's 5.7mm round. The guy says it really extends the reach of your Tokarev or CZ-52.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 6:28:16 PM EST
Thanks, I think it was the FN I read about. I did'nt realize the problems involved with it having the ability to penetrate soft bodyarmor. I'm still curious about the bullet weight and velocity though. This gun I saw on t.v. looked like a Steyr M Series but had a tiny muzzle which caught my eye.
Link Posted: 7/22/2001 9:43:48 PM EST
The Five seveN (thanks for the correct capitalization, Raven :) )is similar to the Steyr M series in that it is definitely futuristic looking. A current issue of a gun mag in Safeway has an article on the pistol. I think the bullet weight is around 40 grains. Raven's right about the velocity. I think it's in the 2100 fps range. It has an extremely long taper and I think this was to aid penetration on woven ballistic armor. .224 BOZ still seems like a better idea, but I haven't heard squat about it for a long time. Speaking about armor-piercing projectiles, I'd be curious to see what sort of penetration an cutting edged 800 grain arrow at 220 fps would have on a KTW plate vest combo. Any hobbyist's out there with experience???? None of this flat-shooting pistol cartridge stuff is very new. Apart from the CZ52 and the Tok, Colt Industries had a project called the SCAMP in the late 60s, which used a bottleneck .22 cartridge in a large pistol that had select fire. I think it even had a muzzle brake.
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