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Posted: 2/9/2006 3:17:47 PM EDT
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"cut" knife crime. lol |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 3:21:50 PM EDT
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Dear UK:
Your lawmakers are insane. Sincerely, Zatu. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 7:43:56 PM EDT
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Full story
Clarke launches amnesty on knives to reduce stabbings By Nigel Morris, Home Affairs Correspondent Published: 09 February 2006 A five-week nationwide knives amnesty is being launched in the summer in an attempt to drive down numbers of stabbings. More than 230 people were stabbed to death last year and concern over levels of knife crime have been highlighted by the killing of City lawyer Tom ap Rhys Pryce last month. Under the amnesty, which will run between 24 May and 30 June in England, Wales and Scotland, members of the public can leave bladed weapons in drop-in bins which will be provided at police stations throughout the country without fear of prosecution. Charles Clarke, the Home Secretary, said: "Tackling knife culture, especially among young people, is paramount to the safety of our communities, and I am determined to reduce the devastation caused by knife crime." He added: "Carrying knives on the streets will not be tolerated. Every weapon handed in during the amnesty will be a weapon that cannot be used in crime." The amnesty coincides with measures in the Violent Crime Bill, which is currently passing through Parliament, which raises the minimum age for buying a knife from 16 to 18. It also gives headteachers the power to search pupils for weapons. |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 7:44:57 PM EDT
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 Time for the BUY BACK programs......... |
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Posted: 2/9/2006 7:51:12 PM EDT
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I'm waiting for this.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:35:08 AM EDT
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And by 2015 the story will read.....
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:36:56 AM EDT
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Anyone know what the penalty is for getting caught with a bladed "weapon"?
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:39:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/10/2006 10:54:28 AM EDT
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wait until somebody gets killed with a tire iron...then there will be traffic tie ups all over the country
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:06:23 AM EDT
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It would be funny if it weren't true. A government that won't even trust it citizens with "pointy or sharp things". It's like an article from The Onion but it isn't. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:25:47 AM EDT
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I'm not sure who said it first, but during every discussion about the UK's gun control, banning guns, banning replica gus, banning toy guns. Someone always, says: So when someone get stabbed will they try to ban knives? Apparently the answer is 'yes'. I also like the part where they called it 'knife culture', just like they blamed it on 'gun culture' when they were banning private ownership of guns.
Glad I don't live there, and I sure feel sorry for the people who do. I predict in the next 30 years the UK will still have rampant assualt and violent crime even tho the entire country will be made of soft padded walls with no automobiles and no private ownership of any kind of property. The penis comment was great. And as a counter point to men being equipped to be rapists does not neccesarily mean that they will become a rapist, women are equipped to be prostitutes, but that does not mean that they will become one. Just like people who own guns and knives does not mean that they will become violent criminals. But what do I know. We are the Government, we are here to protect you |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:28:34 AM EDT
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Heh, I laugh at this but give the US a year or two, and some retard from NY or CA will try to ban all sharp pointy objects...
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:44:02 AM EDT
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This does not apply to Northern Ireland, COMPLETELY different laws on weapons there....  ANdy |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:47:25 AM EDT
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You can kill people with hammers. Hammers are dangerous.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 11:53:19 AM EDT
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They'll never learn...fuck 'em.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 12:11:40 PM EDT
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Sad to say, I have generally the same opinion of their idiocy. It is sad to see a society so terrified of its own shadow. 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 2:49:56 PM EDT
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And in 2050 it will read.....
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Posted: 2/10/2006 3:05:51 PM EDT
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Not only that, but one of the Medical Societies over there wants to ban the manufacture/importation of butcher knives. Nothing larger than a paring knife or some such. I kid you not, I read it on the internet.
OK, what's the next thing to go- can we get a poll? My vote, cricket bats. Wicked things....... 
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Posted: 2/10/2006 3:19:55 PM EDT
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How long before everyone is requierd to live in padded rooms, with plexi glass windows. Must eat with their bare hands, and check in with the local law enfoecement every 5 minutes.
That is rediculous. Everything can cause harm. Easy fix to all of this. Better parenting. |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 3:22:39 PM EDT
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Watch out for people carrying rolling pins. Dangerous things, those.
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Posted: 2/10/2006 3:25:08 PM EDT
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Wait until some are beaten to death with bare hands. Will it be mandatory amputations? (Or maybe just shortening of the appendages)
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:20:53 AM EDT
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You know, you guys take what's printed in the shithole press too seriously....
FACT: Here in Britain, if someone breaks into my home I can beat the shit out of him, belt him with a bat, stab him, hit him with a hammer, hit him with an axe and if I really pissed I can shoot him too. FACT: I've beaten the shit out of one guy with a Maglite while my wife beat the shit out of his buddy with a pickaxe handle for throwing a rock through one of our windows. We chased them down the street and beat them up, the cops came, we were not cautioned, warned, spoken to harshly or told we were naughty boys or girls.... the two perps were arrested and taken away. ANdy |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:37:14 AM EDT
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Let me see if I understand this..... British way: We'll taunt you a second time! American way: I'm your huckleberry. I'll take our way, thanks for the fish. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:43:49 AM EDT
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Care to elaborate? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:08:20 AM EDT
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Eventually they will ban the ground because you can fall on it and get hurt.
They will ban gravity because it causes things to fall down and go boom. They will ban air because it contains toxic chemical compounds and even the oxygen in it is poisonous in sufficient dosage. They will ban water because it's a drowning hazard. Leaving them...thirsty, with nothing to breathe, nothing to stand on, and nowhere to go. There is some speculation that the first weapons used by early man were clubs made from long leg bones from various animals and other early humans. So by British lawmaker thinking, FEMURS SHOULD BE BANNED. How do you walk without femurs? How about they ban stupidity instead? Every lawmaker in Europe would have to turn himself in. But not for execution, as of course that's been banned already. Dear British lawmakers: You are stupid and insane, so it could be said that you're insanely stupid. CJ |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:11:09 AM EDT
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So as long as you don't use an actual weapon, they don't care? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:37:20 AM EDT
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I'm seriously starting to wonder...will the UK become an islamic state before France does? What are you people going to fight with?
Scott |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:38:10 AM EDT
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[montypython]But what if someone comes at you with a pointed stick?[/montypython]
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Posted: 2/11/2006 4:20:49 AM EDT
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Obviously I don't live in the UK, so I'm in no position to say you are wrong, (not that I would anyway) but, if what you say is true, where do all the misconceptions regarding Britain come from?? Serious question, I'd really like to understand better.... 
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Posted: 2/11/2006 4:30:10 AM EDT
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Shoot him with what? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 4:52:40 AM EDT
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Because the NRA keep wilfully using the Tony Martin case to serve it's own ends in the US. Tony Martin (the Farmer) was charged with murder when he shot the two thugs who broke into his house because he broke the law, the same laws as in plenty of US States. He had an unregistred firearm, he did not retreat, he had set an ambush, he did not give a warning, he shot two fleeing felons, one a juvenile, in the back, (The forensic evidence was that he had shot from almost point blank range), he did not call the police just left them to bleed... The rules for using a firearm in self defence here in Britain are simple enough, you must attempt to retreat, if you cannot retreat, you must give a warning, if the warning is ignored you can shoot, you cannot shoot him if he turns and retreats, you cannot 'give chase' and shoot him if he runs away. Recent case law now says, you can take 'pre-emptive' action if you believe an intruder may be armed with a firearm. A farmer shot an intruder in his yard. At the court case, in which he was cleared, the Judge rulled that if you believe an intruder to be armed with a firearm it is 'reasonable' to shoot without a warning, even before he attempts to break into your home. ANdy |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 4:55:31 AM EDT
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My personal 'Tasters Choice' would be my .357 Marlin... 
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Posted: 2/11/2006 5:00:01 AM EDT
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NOTE TO SELF: if I ever visit Ireland, make sure not to piss off Andy's wife  |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 5:03:37 AM EDT
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These laws may apply to many US States, all the more reason I'm glad I live in AZ, I don't have to retreat, and I sure as hell don't have to give a warning shot!! It still sounds like an awfull lot of 'hoops' to jump through when one's life is in danger...ymmv...
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Posted: 2/11/2006 5:08:34 AM EDT
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That's the part I have a real problem with. Sounds like the laws are more concerned with being polite to the intruder than protecting the homeowner. Fucking craziness. I WILL NOT, EVER retreat from my own home. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 6:07:20 AM EDT
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Noted...............DO NOT piss Andy's wife off..............
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Posted: 2/11/2006 6:37:07 AM EDT
[#37]
Bear in mind, that incident happened in England, in Ireland I'd probably have shot them.... ANdy |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:27:01 AM EDT
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While we all like to think we would blow someone away for breaking into our home, we should keep in mind that we will generally be charged with homicide and grand juried no matter what the circumstances. Even in Cali, we don't have to retreat in our own homes but we better make damn sure the burglar is facing us and represents a threat that a "reasonable person" would also recognize as a threat. Some jurisdictions consider introducing a gun into the situation as "escalating"; that even if the perp was a threat, confronting them with a firearm prompted behavior that might not have occured otherwise, state law be damned. I recently spoke with the Sheriffs department regarding this after a string of burglaries in our otherwise, somewhat rural and quiet upscale neighborhood. He said I'm generally in the clear if it's in my house but you do have to think about how it will look afterward. Even if it's some gangbanger visiting the nicer side of town, there is going to be a shit storm of biblical proportions to deal with. Don't believe all the "armed citizen" reports in American Rifleman. For every JH that ends with officer friendly saying it was a good shoot, there are plenty of others that turn the homeowners life upside down. Just the reality of life when you kill someone, regardless of the circumstances.
It's probably a lot tougher when someone get's really fed up with mulitple burglaries and assaults and decides that the "next person" is the one who is going to pay for all the previous trouble. It happens all the time in poorer neighborhoods where someone hears the nth B&E going down outside the window or their car, grabs the gun and shoots some (justifiably punk-ass, life-headed-nowhere, crack-smoking, gang-running, thievin') kid in the back as he's ripping the stereo out of the dash. Yeah, he probably had it coming as a "preemptive self-defense shooting" but the law in most places says that B&E is not a capitol crime; only a percieved immediate threat to our life or health is. We might wish it were otherwise... |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:36:34 AM EDT
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Thank God for "make my day laws" and threshold laws. In my state, if he is in the house and not supposed to be there, he is presumed a deadly threat and I can act accordingly. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:44:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Technically, it's the same in my state. Inside the home is a presumption of deadly threat, no retreat required. But you know that state of mind will be brought to bear, you will probably be well-advised to hire an attorney, spend some $$$, having one handy could be considered planning on something like this. I'm just not expecting a merit citation and hearty congratulations if it goes down. I haven't seen much good go down when an ordinary citizen ends up in the judicial system for any reason.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:05:19 AM EDT
[#41]
Good luck trying to eat a steak in the UK.
Of course you could outlaw red meat. I hear its bad for you. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:14:02 AM EDT
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That's probably true, but if I wake up in the middle of the night and some fucker is in my bedroom, he's getting shot, period. I'm not going to expose my family to mortal risk because I am afraid of legal risk. That said, the laws that favor the homeowner increase the chances of you being no-billed or not even arrested at all (which is the common outcome around here - the cops clean up the body and leave). |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:19:48 AM EDT
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Oh sure....we know the criminals will turn in their illegal weapons. I would expect more logic in law-making from a 14 year old drunk teenage girl that is PMSing.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:25:13 AM EDT
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Hmmm... maybe in some States, but not in Texas.
In Texas, we have legal protection to use deadly force to protect our PROPERTY. If you break into my home intending to rob it, I can legally kill you. And those "duty to retreat" ruless are utter crap. Whose home is it? Yours or the robber's? |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 8:27:37 AM EDT
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We keep saying "They'll never learn" but in fact it's us that won't learn. They know damn well it won't lower crime or make citizens safer and they don't care. They don't ban guns and knives to lower violent crime or make citizens safer, they do it to make THEMSELVES safer when they try to pass really absurd laws. Let them take your guns away and they know you can't fight back when they take away your speech, property, privacy, etc, etc.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 1:57:17 PM EDT
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You can own weapons for self defence in Northern Ireland and handguns were not banned there, only on the mainland, England, Scotland and Wales. Apart from owning handguns for sporting purposes, you can also apply for a PDW (Personal Defence Weapon) Permit in Northern Ireland. Apart from anyone who is current or ex-forces and Police, Judges, .Mil employees, wealthy individuals and businessmen who get them automaticaly you can apply for one if you believe you are at risk of personal violence. Possible terrorist target, living in an isolated area, handling cash, that sort of thing are grounds for getting one. Any .Gov, .Mil staff visiting relatives in NI can be granted a temporary PDW and a weapon (A browning HP) will be supplied by the Police for the duration of your visit. A PDW permit entitles you to carry on your person at all times, in any location, (including bars, banks and .Gov buildings), one large calibre handgun and 25 rounds of ammunition. If you are at 'exceptional risk' (such as a gun dealer for instance), that PDW permit can be extended to carrying a full auto weapon, the most popular choice is a HK MP5K. Both Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness of Sinn Fein have PDW permits and Police supplied HiPowers....  Even without a PDW Permit, the use of a firearm in self defence is lawful on your own property with firearms owned for sporting purposes. ANdy |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 2:57:39 PM EDT
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When all British subjects turn in their pointy contrabands, a handful of Scots with their Claymores will come down the hill and conquer England.
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:02:16 PM EDT
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So apparently all of those are now in one lump category, a target crowd they want to disarm. I want the criminals to be disarmed, but what the hell about the second two? I wonder if they would agree that utility knives exist. |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:03:12 PM EDT
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Boys my Gramps gave me a set of Arnold Palmer golf clubs - these in the wrong hands-(like a Kennedy)- could be mass-murder - serial killer weapons - cus there are 13 of em --- should i shipp these dangerous weapons to a "RED STATE" - or bury em in my backyard ???????
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:06:52 PM EDT
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The Scottish are a bunch of anti gun hardcore socialists living off the welfare tit these days... they couldn't even invade themselves. ANdy |
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