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Posted: 10/13/2005 5:46:01 AM EDT
Federal Premium is proud to introduce the first centerfire rifle cartridge to bear its name.  Hunters around the country bucking the magnum trend are sure to welcome the arrival of .338 Federal.  This unique new cartridge was designed in conjunction with Sako and gives big game hunters a wider diameter bullett for more weight and overall energy on target without the recoil of a magnum.  Built on the .308 cartridge case and "necked-up" to hold a .338 diameter bullet, this cartridge offers hunters a faster muzzle velocity then the .308 Win., with neavier bullet weights.  It provides 5% more muzzle energy than a 30-06 Spring. and equals that of a 7mm Rem Mag.  This non-magnum cartridge boasts a short action configuration for short bolt throw and provides magnum energy for devastating performance on game.  Federal's groundbreaking new cartridge will be available in three Premium offerings:  Nosler Accubond, Partition and the Barnes Triple-Shock X0Bullet.

Features & Benefits

- Magnum energy in a non-magnum cartridge
- 5% more muzzle energy then a 30-06 Spring.
- 150-200 fps faster velocity than a 308 Win. with a .338 bullet
- Short action configuration for quick bolt throw and faster reload
- Designed for ultimate performance on nedium and large game



I think I found my new deer hunting cartridge.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:47:29 AM EDT
[#1]
A .338 for deer?

As long as it makes you happy.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:48:32 AM EDT
[#2]
What ever happened to the .358 Winchester?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:49:33 AM EDT
[#3]
Been a wildcat for years.

But I'm glad that someone is making a factory loading of something that doesn't have "super", "short" or "magnum" after the name.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:50:43 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
A .338 for deer?

As long as it makes you happy.



Its not a magnum, so tell me why it is no good?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:52:12 AM EDT
[#5]
How would it be any better than .30-'06 ?  Sounds like a nice cartridge and all, but what does it do that .308 and .30-'06 don't do already ?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:52:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Here's a nice article about the .358 Winchester.

.358 Winchester
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:52:53 AM EDT
[#7]
I still wish the .338-06 was factory chambered by more than a handful of companies.  There is just a trickle of factory loads for it now.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:55:41 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
How would it be any better than .30-'06 ?  Sounds like a nice cartridge and all, but what does it do that .308 and .30-'06 don't do already ?



higher velocity and a shorter bolt throw
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:55:44 AM EDT
[#9]
What will it do that the .338-06 won't do better?  Or the .35 Whelen for that matter?  I foresee a short life expectancy for the new round.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 5:59:10 AM EDT
[#10]
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:01:19 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
What will it do that the .338-06 won't do better?  Or the .35 Whelen for that matter?  I foresee a short life expectancy for the new round.



I think Federal will poor money into this and it will be around for some time. Just because it is their 1st rifle cartridge with their name on it.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:07:53 AM EDT
[#12]
I'm a 338 fan (and Elmer Keith devotee). I will probably buy olr build a rifle in this caliber, sounds like a winner to me. A perfect place to use my cache of 200 grain Nosler ballistic tips.

Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:09:13 AM EDT
[#13]
Go try and buy a .338-06 off the rack.  

Weatherby (I think?) started selling factory loads for it but its still pretty much a reloader/wildcat only.  Sure A-Square might have built a few

I guess the gun makers see the .338-06 as being too close to the .35 Whelen which doesn't really sell that well at all, unless you live in Alaska, British Columbia, or maybe Maine.  

Still, since Ruger got its name on a cartridge, it doesn't surprise me Federal followed suit.  Ruger's is in a niche that no other factory load can lay claim to.  Federals is...between a .308 and .358 Win.  

I still wish someone would have came out with the .338-06 and called it the .338 Keith (in homage to his .333 OKH).  




Edit: does it irk anyone else that the first cartridge in this caliber was the .338 Winchester Magnum, when there was never a regular .338?  How can you have a magnum before you ever have a standard or regular?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:16:59 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
What will it do that the .338-06 won't do better?  Or the .35 Whelen for that matter?  I foresee a short life expectancy for the new round.



+1

I've toyed with the idea of getting a .338-06, but with my Whelen and the Rockchucker, it's flexible enough for anything.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:48:12 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).



Good one!  When will there be a Pooby Express, Pooby Mag, and Pooby Short Mag?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 6:59:58 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Been a wildcat for years.

But I'm glad that someone is making a factory loading of something that doesn't have "super", "short" or "magnum" after the name.



I prefer cartridges that have a combination of the above terms like short action ultra magnum - what would be better though is a short action ultra super short magnum.  Actually I am considering an AR in R SAUM…
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:03:18 AM EDT
[#17]
I like the idea - I hope it works out for them.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:04:14 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How would it be any better than .30-'06 ?  Sounds like a nice cartridge and all, but what does it do that .308 and .30-'06 don't do already ?



higher velocity and a shorter bolt throw



Well, if somebody wants those things, I'd say get a .243 or something in that neighborhood.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:11:54 AM EDT
[#19]
How does the BC on a bullet like that compare with a .308 bullet? Does it retain it's energy advantage throughout its range or just in the first 300yds? Seems to me that the small advantage over .308 wouldn't be worth the cost, IMHO.  thanks in advance.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:16:20 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
How would it be any better than .30-'06 ?  Sounds like a nice cartridge and all, but what does it do that .308 and .30-'06 don't do already ?

Yeah.  What's wrong with the .338-06?  The extra 1/10 of an inch on the "long" action vs. a "short action"?  Whoopee shit.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:20:24 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Edit: does it irk anyone else that the first cartridge in this caliber was the .338 Winchester Magnum, when there was never a regular .338?  How can you have a magnum before you ever have a standard or regular?



There was the .33 WCF (Winchester Center Fire) first.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:26:01 AM EDT
[#22]
I am confused. How would a "necked up" .308 that is launching a heavier bullet than a .308 have  higher muzzle velocity than a .308?

[johnnie cochran]That does not make sense[/johnnie cochran]
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:29:47 AM EDT
[#23]
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:34:30 AM EDT
[#24]
They could have blown it out, pushed the shoulders foward, and changed the neck angle, all to increase case capacity.

It would still be based on .308 brass, but more like an Ackley Improved version.  The result would hold more powder and therefore push a heavier bullet at the same velocity, or the same bullet at a higher velocity.

All this would be too complicated for a press release or the normal deer hunter to understand.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 7:51:50 AM EDT
[#25]
Its been around forever, 338 X 308. Its a good cartridge, its advantages over the 358 Win is a better selection of bullets with some impressive #s (Sectional densities and Ballistic Coefficients) I'm not a number guy, I would prefer the 358 Win.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 8:00:28 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
I am confused. How would a "necked up" .308 that is launching a heavier bullet than a .308 have  higher muzzle velocity than a .308?

[johnnie cochran]That does not make sense[/johnnie cochran]



The .33 cal has a larger surface area on the bullet's base for propellant gases to act upon. Hence, the higher velocity given bullets of equal weight.

This is a typical effect of necking up. The trade off is lower ballistic coefficients with larger diameter bullets, so it's kind of a wash.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 8:03:23 AM EDT
[#27]
Everything in the 30 caliber that is worth inventing has been invented.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 8:07:25 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).



In a related story, I'm getting ready to release the new .76426 Vortec Ultra-Mag
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 8:23:38 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).



In a related story, I'm getting ready to release the new .76426 Vortec Ultra-Mag



I've got you all beat with my 97470 NITRO PETA EXPRESS MANNUMB



Actually, I would have rather seen them release a 8mm-08 instead, but oh well.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 8:25:59 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I am confused. How would a "necked up" .308 that is launching a heavier bullet than a .308 have  higher muzzle velocity than a .308?

[johnnie cochran]That does not make sense[/johnnie cochran]



The .33 cal has a larger surface area on the bullet's base for propellant gases to act upon. Hence, the higher velocity given bullets of equal weight.

This is a typical effect of necking up. The trade off is lower ballistic coefficients with larger diameter bullets, so it's kind of a wash.



True but the Sectioanl Density will be higher.  The .338 caliber has very high SD's, thats why a 250 grain .338 win mag will out pentatrate a .375 H&H.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 8:32:03 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).



In a related story, I'm getting ready to release the new .76426 Vortec Ultra-Mag



Wait until you see my .770x70 Jackalope Express.  Pretty sweet.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 9:04:58 AM EDT
[#32]
.12 PETA Improved- for killing those pesky unwanted cats at shelters.

Link Posted: 10/13/2005 9:54:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Darn it! You got me digging around looking at other cartridges in that class. Now I can't stop!

Check out the good 'ol .348 Winchester. That was a pretty interesting cartridge!

.348 Winchester Article with Wildcatting Info

What the heck? One more on the .358 Winchester.
.358 Winchester - Sleeper Round
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:07:01 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How would it be any better than .30-'06 ?  Sounds like a nice cartridge and all, but what does it do that .308 and .30-'06 don't do already ?

Yeah.  What's wrong with the .338-06?  The extra 1/10 of an inch on the "long" action vs. a "short action"?  Whoopee shit.



Exactly, I've used plenty of long-action and short-action bolt guns and I've never noticed a difference.  Besides, if you want fast, get a pump or autoloader.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:09:34 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).



Elmer Keith already did it.

.334 OKH.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:09:55 AM EDT
[#36]
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:27:19 AM EDT
[#37]
These are the three they will be producing:

180-Grain Nosler AccuBond
210-Grain Nosler Partition
185-Grain Barnes Triple-Shock
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:31:54 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
Been a wildcat for years.

But I'm glad that someone is making a factory loading of something that doesn't have "super", "short" or "magnum" after the name.




Quoted:
Its been around forever, 338 X 308. Its a good cartridge, its advantages over the 358 Win is a better selection of bullets with some impressive #s (Sectional densities and Ballistic Coefficients) I'm not a number guy, I would prefer the 358 Win.



Huge +1 on both...

The 338/08 has always been an exceptional wildcat that has always been popular with Bear Hunters as well as Elk hunters in timber...  I am kind of a numbers guy an this cartridge is a solid cartridge right from the start and is well proven...

I would love to know what are chances are for something like this in the AR-10 at some point?
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:33:40 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
I would love to know what are chances are for something like this in the AR-10 at some point?



If it stays alive for a while I don't think it would be hard to get an AR10 set up for it.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 10:42:41 AM EDT
[#40]
I was just thinking that a .308 is plenty for deer, as is a .243 for that matter.  The new round should work fine for deer, but seems better suited for larger game.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 11:59:42 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I wanna invent a cartridge. .33542 Pooby (thats my zip code).



Elmer Keith already did it.

.334 OKH.



Ya, well look where that got him. He's dead now.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 12:05:51 PM EDT
[#42]
MartyW, where are you??????
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 1:34:15 PM EDT
[#43]
This is like the .45GAP: an answer to question nobody asked.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 3:57:15 PM EDT
[#44]
These cartridges based on the 308 and the 30-06 have their own little spot. They can be built very light as they don't need Long barrels. With in about 200 yards the effect on larger animals with the 338 and 358 is very differant when compared to the parent cartridges. A 20" 358 Win or a 22" 35 Whelen built on a good CRF action is a very common gun in this area the 338 X 308 or a 338-06 would be just more of the same. It's all Good.
Link Posted: 10/13/2005 3:58:16 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
I still wish someone would have came out with the .338-06 and called it the .338 Keith (in homage to his .333 OKH).  



Someone who understands, I'm a big Keith fan.
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 6:47:25 AM EDT
[#46]
I wonder if we could talk Rhineland Arms into making a .338 Federal FAL upper?
Link Posted: 10/14/2005 7:19:10 AM EDT
[#47]
35 Whelen or 8mm/06.   I already have those.

All these cartridges are serious overkill for whitetails anyway,  "One box a year" deer hunters will buy them by the truckload.
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