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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:35:50 PM EDT
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.de856ece51704a8013815b7dfb5543db.41&show_article=1

New York's governor on Wednesday proposed making the state the first in the country to take mandatory DNA samples from anyone convicted of a crime, including relatively lesser offenses.
Governor Andrew Cuomo, in an annual "State of the State" speech to the New York legislature, said currently DNA was collected in less than half of crimes on the books.

"I will propose a bill requiring the collection of a DNA sample from any person convicted of a felony or Penal Law misdemeanor," said Cuomo, a former federal prosecutor and New York state attorney general.

Cuomo said that applying DNA collection to all criminals would both help law-enforcement bodies fight serious crime and protect against wrongful convictions.

Current exclusions include "numerous crimes that are often precursors to violent offenses," he said.


more at link
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:37:59 PM EDT
Not good. IBTSS
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:05 PM EDT
George Orwell missed it by twenty some years.....
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:06 PM EDT
Fuck him.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:25 PM EDT
<tough on crime types> If you aren't hiding anything what are you worried about? </tough on crime types>
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:53 PM EDT
If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about?


Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 4:41:44 PM EDT by rod727]
with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....

ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor??
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:40:11 PM EDT
Hey. Yet another reason to avoid ny like the plague
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:40:19 PM EDT


They can take your prints already , I dont know whats stopping them from DNA.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:43:04 PM EDT
What a craptastic idea. Do not want.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:44:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7n6:
If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about?




They should just put all of us on file. I'll never have to worry about anything because I'm a law abiding citizen
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:45:11 PM EDT
How about...no.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:46:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rod727:
with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....

ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor??




well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:48:28 PM EDT
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:48:55 PM EDT
<––––––––––––––-my surprised face.


This should work just about as good as that waste of money COBIS.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:53:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By One_Slayer:
Fuck him.


Yep, that'll do it.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:55:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mech2007:
Originally Posted By One_Slayer:
Fuck him.


Yep, that'll do it.

this

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:55:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By rod727:
with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....

ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor??




well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it.

DNA will only be necessary until they develop computers powerful enough to track all citizens via their Gov't implanted chip.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:58:10 PM EDT
Yikes, Law Enforcement then becomes motivated (in order to make their jobs easier, under pressure from politicos and voters) to convict everyone of a crime at least once so that all possible future criminals are in the database.

"Son, what's your name? You're not in the database here. Hey, that's a deadly weapon there in your jacket pocket, stick your finger out."
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:58:39 PM EDT
Convicted felons...maybe.

Everyone else? They can go fuck themselves.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:58:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By rod727:
with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....

ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor??




well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it.


Serious question: If someone is arrested for rape, doesn't the DA use a search warrant to get a DNA sample to compare to the sample from the victim? Doesn't the lab compare the sample to unsolved rape cases?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:00:10 PM EDT
From someone who is behind enemy lines: Cuomo is real trouble people. He is a gifted politician and a rising star in the Dem's stable of potential future national candidates.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:00:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.



That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:03:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By rod727:
with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....

ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor??




well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it.


You might be surprised what is done at birth in some places. Who knows if the info is really destroyed.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:04:39 PM EDT
It's for the kids...
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:05:06 PM EDT
Prediction: They will spend gazillions of dollars collecting DNA and then it will be of no use because the crime labs are so backed up. I remember a few years ago California threw out hundreds of rape kits because the statute of limitations on the crime had run out before they had even looked at the evidence. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/03/opinion/ed-rape3 http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/517/transcript.html . See NY's wonderful example of fail with "ballistic fingerprinting". This state is run by people who believe real life is like the tv show CSI.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:07:15 PM EDT
and I will never set foot in a state that feels the need to have that much control of me. reeks of authoritarianism and bad omens of abuse of that power to come.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:08:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7n6:
If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about?




Paternity / child support.


(there are a lot of ghetto goblins that took plea deals in cases instead of giving up a DNA sample that could have cleared them- usually due to concerns about other cases - like rapes and murders- that could be pinned on them via the DNA)
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:08:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AmericanLoki:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.



That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state.

In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:09:05 PM EDT
How are they:

1) Going to pay for this?
2) Find the time to run all this through the lab? (I thought most states had a backlog of DNA evidence for processing that, even with the money to work on it, would take years to get through the lab)
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:09:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By One_Slayer:
Fuck him.


This. But to late. Ever had a blood test ?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:10:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7n6:
If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about?




Why do you want to be added to another database ?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:12:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swatter911:

Originally Posted By AmericanLoki:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.



That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state.

In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea.


Still ridiculous. Any charges you're likely to face after a defensive shooting if they do decide to charge you will include at least one felony.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:16:59 PM EDT
With DNA you can clone people. Why would NY want to clone all the felons? OMG NY clone felon apocalypse!
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:17:53 PM EDT
I don't see a problem with this. Taking DNA at birth is another story.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:18:25 PM EDT
I have no problem with that or a national DNA database.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:32:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 5:41:51 PM EDT by jrollins]

Originally Posted By bigstick61:
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.

Sounds like time for a second defensive shooting. Fuck tyranny. Either that, or learn to SSS.

(not advocation anything against the CoC or anything, just stating the obvious - and that if things don't turn around soon, your local police will be no different than the SS or the Gestapo, and similar action will be required to remedy the situation)
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:32:57 PM EDT
What the fuck is in the water up there
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:35:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigstick61:

Originally Posted By Swatter911:

Originally Posted By AmericanLoki:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.



That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state.

In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea.


Still ridiculous. Any charges you're likely to face after a defensive shooting if they do decide to charge you will include at least one felony.

I would have no problem with it being done only after a subject was held over for trial after a preliminary hearing, but that's not what our fellow citizens passed.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:36:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tekka:
I have no problem with that or a national DNA database.


What about taking DNA in the case of arrests? If there is no warrant, probable cause, or due process involved, on what grounds can they legitimately take it from you? The only grounds they have is the force they are capable of exerting. I could see it being a reasonable part of a sentence for conviction for crimes for which something like DNA is relevant (violent crimes, sex crimes, etc.), but that's about it.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:37:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swatter911:

Originally Posted By bigstick61:

Originally Posted By Swatter911:

Originally Posted By AmericanLoki:
Originally Posted By bigstick61:
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.



That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state.

In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea.


Still ridiculous. Any charges you're likely to face after a defensive shooting if they do decide to charge you will include at least one felony.

I would have no problem with it being done only after a subject was held over for trial after a preliminary hearing, but that's not what our fellow citizens passed.

I have a problem with it for anything short of a conviction, and I don't think it is a justifiable punishment in the case of all crimes.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:38:12 PM EDT
Fuck this! Slippery slope........
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:39:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 5:41:25 PM EDT by tnsparky]
Originally Posted By Tekka:
I have no problem with that or a national DNA database.



While I don't see a problem with collecting DNA when it might do some good (for example violent offenders that may have left DNA evidence at other crime scenes), I don't think taking DNA from every felon (let alone every criminal) is a very good use of resources. The bar for felony theft is not set very high, and it is not like taking DNA from a stock broker gone bad that stole $3000 from grandma is really going to help you find his other victims.

Edited to fix quote
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:43:22 PM EDT
DNA can be VERY easily replicated (grown).

If THEY have your DNA, more can be grown, and planted.



Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:43:40 PM EDT
Oh yeah I bet they'll be able to keep that database straight
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:47:12 PM EDT
The former governor of NY used tax payer money to collect many DNA samples.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:48:25 PM EDT
just get a sample of the governor's.

It wouldn't be hard to obtain, get some hair or a can of pop he just drank.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:49:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
The former governor of NY used tax payer money to collect many DNA samples.


Did he collect them...or pass them out?

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:50:08 PM EDT
As I recall, New York Governors have a record of leaving random DNA samples about the place....
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:51:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By rod727:
with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....

ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor??




well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it.


Check this out:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-state-agencies/department-of-state-health-services/dshs-turned-over-hundreds-of-dna-samples-to-feds/
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 5:54:46 PM EDT
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