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Posted: 12/19/2005 9:23:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 9:11:34 PM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:35:26 PM EDT

Good luck bro !

I used to hate driving down into the city when the traffic was GOOD

Can just imagine what fun you're gonna have with them on strike...


Ouch
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:38:59 PM EDT
GF just called me from NYC - said they did strike.
Too bad - really gonna put a damped on her trip.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:39:17 PM EDT
holy crap, it's gonna be fun in the city
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:45:49 PM EDT
Oh, bleh

I'm glad I escaped while I could...

Never understood why/how they could justify SHUTTING DOWN a department of what, 50k people, all told, from drivers/operators to cleaning staff, preventing some 10+ million people from getting around, over some minor bullshit quabble...

*sigh*

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:47:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:48:58 PM EDT
How long until its Bushes fault?
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:42:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 10:55:39 PM EDT by mucknuggle]
As I understand it they are legally prohibited from striking and lose 2 days pay for every day on strike, although apparently some of the bus drivers aren't bound by that.

Other than the actual drivers/mechanics of the trains, I would bet most of those jobs are unskilled and could be replaced quickly.

I seem to remember reading that even the station cleaners make $45k-60+.

Fuck em. They want to strike, I say we pull a Reagan and replace the lot of them. I'll bet you'd get 1000 applications for every vacancy.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:45:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mucknuggle:
As I understand it they are legally prohibited from striking and lose 2 days pay for every day on strike.

Other than the actual drivers/mechanics of the trains, I would bet most of those jobs are unskilled and could be replaced quickly.

I seem to remember reading that even the station cleaners make $45k-60+.

Fuck em. They want to strike, I say we pull a Reagan and replace the lot of them. I'll bet you'd get 1000 applications for every vacancy.


Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:32:12 PM EDT
what nuts to me is how much of a raise they want about 8 % per year for 3 years, if that was me it would mean a rasie of 16 thousand over 3 years, thats a real nice chunk of change. nothing like raises that are more than what some body at McDs make a year.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:35:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
what nuts to me is how much of a raise they want about 8 % per year for 3 years, if that was me it would mean a rasie of 16 thousand over 3 years, thats a real nice chunk of change. nothing like raises that are more than what some body at McDs make a year.


Rebuilding trannys and rear ends on buses is a bit more complicated than flipping a burger.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:40:05 PM EDT
Oh, but you see, unions are great!

It'd make me smile from ear to ear if all new people were hired to replace those striking. Then they'd really have something to bitch about!
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:41:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
what nuts to me is how much of a raise they want about 8 % per year for 3 years, if that was me it would mean a rasie of 16 thousand over 3 years, thats a real nice chunk of change. nothing like raises that are more than what some body at McDs make a year.



No, its 8% over 3 years
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:50:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
what nuts to me is how much of a raise they want about 8 % per year for 3 years, if that was me it would mean a rasie of 16 thousand over 3 years, thats a real nice chunk of change. nothing like raises that are more than what some body at McDs make a year.



No, its 8% over 3 years



okay i kept hearing on the local news that it was 8 % per year. now 8 % over 3 years in very reasonable. heck i typically get 3 to 5 % per year, well i did before i started my own company. i personally think 4% should be standard, including minium wage.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:00:29 AM EDT
Looks like its happening

mta.info/strike/nyct.htm

As of approximately 3 a.m. on Tuesday, December 20, 2005, the Transport Workers Union (TWU) called for a strike on MTA NYCT buses & subways. Accordingly, all NYC Transit subway and most bus service will not run.

* Staten Island Railway will operate additional weekday rush hour service.
o Stopping patterns on some trains will be modified.
o Crowded conditions are anticipated.
o Customers should allow extra travel time, and listen for conductor announcements.

* Access-A-Ride paratransit service will operate.
o Trips will be scheduled during the strike, but area roads are expected to be heavily congested and travel times will be longer than usual.
o Access-A-Ride customers should limit their travel to essential trips and be patient during any mass transit disruptions.

* It is unclear if the following services will operate (check here regularly for updates):
o NYC Transit local and express buses in Queens and Staten Island
o MTA Bus
o Green Bus Lines

* As of 12:01 on 12/19/05, two private bus lines in Queens, Jamaica Buses and Triboro Coach have gone on strike. Click here for more info.

Please be aware that service is subject to change.

Don't discard your MetroCard. It will retain its value after a strike as follows:

* Unlimited Ride MetroCard (including Reduced-Fare Unlimited Ride MetroCard) — 30-Day and 7-Day Unlimited Ride (as well as Express Bus Plus, Holiday Bonus, and Holiday Unlimited) cards will be extended for as many days as the strike lasts. In other words, you will not lose any time on your Unlimited Ride MetroCard as a result of the strike.
* Pay-Per-Ride MetroCard—your card is not affected.
* LIRR and Metro-North Mail&Ride MetroCard—customers holding monthly tickets with Unlimited Ride MetroCard will automatically receive credit for any unused portion of the MetroCard in the next statement.


Link Posted: 12/20/2005 12:49:18 AM EDT
I heard that there was a court injunction that prohibited them from striking. Wouldn't it be cool if the union leaders got thrown in jail for shutting the city down during Christmas week?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 1:05:36 AM EDT
It's a terrorist plot. Get everyone stuck in there, no where to move and set of a huge fawkin bomb
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 2:06:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:
How long until its Bushes fault?


It already is.

If he didn't allow 9/11, we wouldn't have to worry about this.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:27:51 AM EDT
NYC Traffic is bad as it is. Good luck
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:33:56 AM EDT
I feel bad for you guys that have to go into NYC! Man that's gonna suck!
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:36:21 AM EDT
People are lined up in the streets of queens, hundreds of them on street corners looking for ways into the city ! Its gonna be an interesting time, Im backing the strikers 100%
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:37:04 AM EDT
Sorry to hear that Wave. Hope the strike ends before it screws up your holidays. Good luck brother.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:39:03 AM EDT
Usually when a union is under a NO-STRIKE law there is a provision for automatic arbitration. What happened in this case?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:41:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 3:43:08 AM EDT by COZ]

Originally Posted By mucknuggle:
As I understand it they are legally prohibited from striking and lose 2 days pay for every day on strike, although apparently some of the bus drivers aren't bound by that.

Other than the actual drivers/mechanics of the trains, I would bet most of those jobs are unskilled and could be replaced quickly.

I seem to remember reading that even the station cleaners make $45k-60+.

Fuck em. They want to strike, I say we pull a Reagan and replace the lot of them. I'll bet you'd get 1000 applications for every vacancy.



+1, More union BS. Crazy-assed wages for mediocer work. What really gets me is you can plainly see the abuse of health care by fellow employees along with other abuses of benefits and people don't say anything. Workers in this country need to realize that they need to do their part to help reduce costs and then we don't get to this point.

I work for a construction company and I fully realize that if the owners dont make a profit, they sure as hell dont need any of us workers. They would close the doors and still be rich and we will all be looking for work.

Hope this ends before it screws up your holiday Wave.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:49:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mucknuggle:
Fuck em. They want to strike, I say we pull a Reagan and replace the lot of them. I'll bet you'd get 1000 applications for every vacancy.



+1

They violate a no-strike clause?

Hold the city hostage for higher wages? Nothing like fucking over someone else to get what you want. Throw the union out and fire the lot.

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 3:59:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:05:53 AM EDT
Looking at the video from FNC right now of all the people walking to work. How many days of that before folks start getting froggy?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:06:04 AM EDT
"Hey! I'm walkin' here!"
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:09:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 4:10:11 AM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:15:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
i personally think 4% should be standard, including minium wage.


That is a good way to keep inflation hovering around 4% forever.

The lack of basic economic knowledge on this board is amazing.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:16:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 4:17:19 AM EDT by Red_Beard]
Fire them all and start hiring back the ones that want to work.

Go without pay long enough and they'll get hungry and be willing to work for a lower price.



Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:16:18 AM EDT
Looks like I'm taking some days off!

by the way, the NYC murder rate declined another 14% last year
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:22:43 AM EDT
Working from home today. Have Laptop, Will Travel (just not today).
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:30:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 4:36:29 AM EDT by BoreSighted]
Happiness is getting to walk two miles from my (non-striking, coming in from out of state) train to my office because a bunch of jackasses are collectively having a "temper tantrum" because they aren't getting what they want.

If I don't get what I want at work, I go find another job.

Every one of them should be fired.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:32:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pault:
People are lined up in the streets of queens, hundreds of them on street corners looking for ways into the city ! Its gonna be an interesting time, Im backing the strikers 100%





I'm backing their firing 100%

Idiots.

TXL
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:44:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:51:02 AM EDT
That's why I never support any 'gubment funded public transportation. I prefer to to drive my car around my schedule instead of someone else's bus, rail, tram schedule.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:55:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:
That's why I never support any 'gubment funded public transportation. I prefer to to drive my car around my schedule instead of someone else's bus, rail, tram schedule.



When you and 40,000 of your closest friends are all competing for three lanes to get to work on time, mass transit looks very very appealing.

If I lived where I could get around by mass transit, my car would be for entertainment and trips only.

Jim
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 4:56:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:
That's why I never support any 'gubment funded public transportation. I prefer to to drive my car around my schedule instead of someone else's bus, rail, tram schedule.



Although today you would get to do so with three strangers. What with manditory car-pooling and all.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:10:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:14:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist: When you and 40,000 of your closest friends are all competing for three lanes to get to work on time, mass transit looks very very appealing. If I lived where I could get around by mass transit, my car would be for entertainment and trips only. Jim
The solution, build more roads. Roads don't go on strike.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:15:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Although today you would get to do so with three strangers. What with manditory car-pooling and all.
I so sowwy. Car full of family headed to city. No room. Good day.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:18:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:
Fire them all and start hiring back the ones that want to work.



+1
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:33:28 AM EDT
One of the bluest cities in the country. They are getting what they deserve.

You don't have that problem here in right-to-work land.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:38:41 AM EDT
Man, talk about a target rich enviornment for backpack bombers. I hope this gets resolved quick, for safety's sake.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:41:38 AM EDT
WWRD? (What would Reagan do?)


In August 1981, Ronald Reagan took an uncompromising stand against striking air-traffic controllers who threatened to shut down the nation's airlines. The striking workers complained of growing demands and dangerous levels of stress on the job. Their issues centered on wages, retirement benefits and hours.

The president announced the striking workers were in violation of the law, and he fired them, with little apparent remorse. Organized labor was furious while the public had a more mixed reaction. Even those within his own administration had their doubts about the move.

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:45:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2005 5:55:38 AM EDT by olyarms]
Jeeze I would say they created a huge security risk... Fire all their asses and than hire new workers and give them the pay raise just to spit in the assholes faces.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:47:49 AM EDT
Holy Fucking Shit!

NYC is gonna be miserable
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:50:04 AM EDT
every time NYC transit workers strike, god kills a kitten
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:52:06 AM EDT
Funny.

The people that need the public transit the most, the

less wealthy, are the ones being impacted
by thier fellow "Working men and women."

Yes America...There's your unions at work.

Christ.

I'd kill for the bennies they have, and, they still want to strike.

Un friggin believeable.

PATCO now!
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:53:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mucknuggle:

I seem to remember reading that even the station cleaners make $45k-60+.



You could barely live on $60k/y in NYC



Fuck em. They want to strike, I say we pull a Reagan and replace the lot of them. I'll bet you'd get 1000 applications for every vacancy.



I agree, Capitalism will take over and the wages will adjust accordingly. If you can't hire someone at X$'s per hour and no bennies, you'll have to pay Y$'s and have these bennies to attract works. Unions had their place in time before federal laws protected workers, now many simply are extortionists preying on the workers they represent and the management. Not saying all unions are bad, but a large portion are.
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