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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:05:35 AM EDT
Which pattern do you like best? Here's some pics of each:
Army digital all-terrain pattern      I really like the way that pattern looks and think it would be very effective. But here's another view of the same pattern. Notice how it looks much brighter and more "white" than the darker looking pics from above:  See the difference? What's up with that? Ok........now on to the MultiCam:      Both patterns look very good in almost all of the environments I've seen them in. Which do you think is overall the best and most effective pattern? I would be using them in a temperate woodland/grassland environment mostly. I kinda like both and can't make up my mind which I like best. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:08:12 AM EDT
[#1]
Frankly, I like the MultiCam better.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:10:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Me too. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:11:51 AM EDT
[#3]
Multicam. Don't know if it has the same ability to fool night vision though, as the AD pattern is supposed to.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:14:48 AM EDT
[#4]
After seeing ACU, I really like it. The Crye is good camo, but the sticker shock is really something.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:15:57 AM EDT
[#5]
That really doesn't make a bit of difference to me, as I am not what I'd call a "high speed user" anyway. I don't forsee myself hopping around in a field at night trading shots with guys who'd be likely to have high quality NVD's. Hehe. I just want an effective camo for helping to remain unobserved mainly during daylight. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:16:27 AM EDT
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I personally like the ACU better. Course...I use it daily. :-P It really does work vs NVGs, which is kinda a moot point because we try to be as visible as possible under NV, to help prevent friendly fire. (Especialy from CAS while mounted.)
John EDIT: It is not that bright a pattern. Might be one of the commercial knockoffs, or one of the older prototypes - for example, the undershirt is an off-tan, not brown as in that picture. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:19:26 AM EDT
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you know, i keep hearing the army pattern is supposed to fool night vision but it doesn't! i've seen both the acu's and marpats under gen3 nvg's and they show up just peachy. does anyone know what specs were sought by the .mil in re to night vision vs cammies?
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:20:16 AM EDT
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Agreed. What I like about the ACU is how it doesn't use any black. Black is a color not really found in nature (vegetation, not black bears or panthers and whatnot). That's a good thing. But the ACU pattern is a bit more "radical" and takes a bit of getting use to, whereas the MultiCam looks more like a faded woodland pattern and doesn't appear such a drastic change from what we are use to. I must admit, just as recently as a month ago, I hated the look of the new ACU. But after seeing it in use and after a bit of time, it has really started to grow on me. I dunno, I like them both, I guess I will just go with the one I can find the best deal on. But I'm probably leaning just a bit more toward the ACU right now. However, my mind could change again overnight. Or, in the arf.com tradition, maybe I should "just get both". 
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:22:07 AM EDT
[#9]
My vote goes to the multi-cam.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:49:37 AM EDT
[#10]
I like the ACU, especially in an Urban Environment.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:16:29 AM EDT
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I have not heard that anywhere. What I have been told when I complained how damn hot the jackets are now, it was designed to keep in heat to reduce the signature for IR not NV. That is why we have Glint tape sewn into the sleeve pockets. Civilian ACU's do not have glint tape sewn into the sleeve pockets. The brighter ACU pattern in the picture is not an issue pair of ACU's, the dead giveaway is the lack of Velcro. The current pattern is not bright at all. I like the new uniform my only 2 complaints are: No short sizes, I am short and have to double cuff pants for blousing, and my sleeves are so damn long I could never use the built in pockets for elbow pads. I always wore my bdu sleeve cuffs fully open for gloves and airflow, I have to close them tight to keep them from falling over my hands now. The jacket is very hot due to zipper and velcro closures. The old BDU buttons allowed for breathability. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:31:30 AM EDT
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I like the German Flecktarn. The SS camo was pretty effective also.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:35:46 AM EDT
[#13]
Here's a question for you Army guys now wearing the ACUs. My unit is just about to recieve ours, and I've already picked up the digital nametapes, rank, etc for mine. Is the subdued US flag authorized for wear on a daily basis? Or must you wear the red/white/blue US flag? I see the soldier in one of the above pictures has the subdued flag, and I would much prefer to wear that one if possible. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:40:13 AM EDT
[#14]
From what I have read there are two versions of the ACU. The brighter one that you posted a picture of is the 1st generation and the darker, more green ACU is the 2nd gen. I have a camelbak BFM in the 1st gen ACU, but I think that the 2nd gen looks much better.
However, I am in on a multicam pack cover group buy to fix that problem! Personally, I think the multicam looks like the better of the two in the pictures I've seen, but I haven't looked at them both in real life yet. I'm going to try and order some 2nd gen ACU (if it's available to civies) and try it out with multicam in real life to get a better idea. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:42:07 AM EDT
[#15]
i still think its to light and "gray" for the woods
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:48:01 AM EDT
[#16]
How 'bout some of that new lizard pattern...
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:48:46 AM EDT
[#17]
I was up in a tree this weekend and my multi cam pack was below me in the tree. I noticed that it seemed kind of light and that the white spots on it seemed to stand out. Of course I was pretty close to it. That coloring may be great for desert/arid/leafless areas, but I don't know that it's that hot for green, wooded areas.
edit-'course the Army may not spend in the top of trees, but still... |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:08:58 AM EDT
[#18]
(Fails to mention his GF was down below with a large axe and fire in her eyes.....)  I still haven't gotten a good understanding of how the same ACU pattern can look so pale in some areas (see paintball pic above) and yet work so well in others (kneeling-soldier pic in original post). Does it have to get washed or dirty a few times before it really starts to work? ETA: Are the pockets on the sleeves really that useful? they look awful, and seem to make the sleeves flare out more, which could increase opportunities for snagging. Am I all wet on this one? 
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:14:39 AM EDT
[#19]
Evidently, that paintball pic shows the 1st generation version. No way the 2nd generation is that "white" looking. It is much darker. There's no way camo could be used in a woodland area if was that bright. You'd be better off wearing a white cotton t-shirt. I am satisfied the camo that's actually being issued to troops in combat zones is the 2nd generation version and much more effective. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:23:45 AM EDT
[#20]
Ah! Wasn't aware of 1st/2nd generation. The ones I've seen in the field seem to be VERY effective. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:24:13 AM EDT
[#21]
The problem I see with a lot of camo though, is that it is overall too dark. I think that camo that is too dark is just as bad as camo that is overall too light. IMO the best type of camo actually has some fairly light areas in it, but those areas are broken up by lines/areas of dark. To me, even the 2nd gen ACU is too monotone. At distance the colors all seem to blend into one blob more so than the multicam. That is my theory anyway, from what I have seen of the pictures. I'd like to test that out in real life though. Hopefully I can get my hands on some multicam and 2nd gen ACU soon to test it out and see. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:53:36 AM EDT
[#22]
Maybe it's all in how you take the picture. It seems that one of the multicam shots was done with a filter on the camera.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:58:53 AM EDT
[#23]
Multicam.
IBTP (In before the poll) |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:00:00 AM EDT
[#24]
The Multicam doesn't contain any black, it's dark brown, and it's quite subdued.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:08:54 AM EDT
[#25]
I think the pocket sleeves are so you have some pockets on the jacket while wearing body armor. Although I think they look kind of cool, I don't know if there would be much point to a civilian having them. By they way she treed me many years ago, just ask her 
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:37:22 AM EDT
[#26]
Thats what I was thinking. The Multi-cam looks very similar to the German fleck camo which is quite good IIRC. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:39:23 AM EDT
[#27]
+1 For the MultiCam |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:42:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:46:55 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote from Basicload on LightFighter:
I think I'll let that speak for itself.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:09:01 AM EDT
[#30]
more images of the multicam.... I really wish it weren't so expensive
    Here is a link to more pictures: MultiCam Pictures |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:20:15 AM EDT
[#31]
Based on this picture stolen from Lightfighter.net, I think we can safely determine which route this guy has taken: 
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:27:57 AM EDT
[#32]
One feature I dont like about the new ACU is that officers dont have their branch on the left collar. This has been a long standing tradition among the officer ranks, and it is a shame to see it end.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:31:20 AM EDT
[#33]
Survived the incident, I see! Yeah, I don't think I'd need pockets on the sleeves, myself. Perhaps the professionals do, and I'll not comment on that one way or the other (they've forgotten more than I'll ever know), but for me, they don't work. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:37:05 AM EDT
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I saw a unit from GA that all soldiers (enlisted and officer) were wearing crossed sabres on their left sleeve just under the unit flash.
Completely unauthorised, of course. But I approve wholeheartedly. Enlisted soldiers have been sewing branch insignia on the backs of their patrol caps for years. As for the flag, my understanding is that the only authorised flag is the full colour one. NTM |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:37:17 AM EDT
[#35]
Can someone explain why we couldn't just use the Marines uniform. It works great, save on R&D, common NSN's. Why the hell do we need different uniforms for each branch?????hat
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:45:26 AM EDT
[#36]
Multi-cam.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:50:06 AM EDT
[#37]
moto plus, a slightly different philosophy, i think. the army wants a universal pattern for their largely motorized units whereas the marine corps is still thinking of their marines as infantrymen utilizing cover and concealment. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:53:51 AM EDT
[#38]
Did I miss it or did the thread make it this far without a MARPAT comment?
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:08:59 AM EDT
[#39]
Yoy missed something.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:00:04 AM EDT
[#40]
The next question:
Will companies like TruSpec and Propper continue manufacturing the old style BDU's for us civvies now that the ACU is taking over in the Army? As popular as that line of clothing is, I could see some chance of it happening. I mean most civilians don't have a need for body armor, thus no need for pockets on the sleeves, etc. I hope a few years down the road I can just buy a set of regular BDU's that use the new camo patterns. What is the chance that BDU's survive once the military specs have fully changed? I suppose it all rests on potential for profit. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:06:37 AM EDT
[#41]
After reading that, this one caught my eye: Customer Name: Dan Rating: 1.0 Review Title: Another DOD failure! Review: If you are deploying to Iraq DO NOT SPEND YOUR $ ON THIS! They might look good for the brass to pimp around in DC but the flat out are not functional in SWA. First off they last about half as long as a standard ripstop summer DCU. They stain like crazy. Windex and other cleaners will bleach them. They noisey velcro has compromised more than one of my guys OP's. The camo simply does not conceal as well as a DCU. It is so poor that we now have SOP's forbidding our sniper teams wearing it on missions. Save your money and possibly your life. Stick with the DCU in combat! Wonder if this is true or can be confirmed? |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:09:58 AM EDT
[#42]
ACU
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:17:01 AM EDT
[#43]
I like the Multicam.
What's the marine uniform look like? |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:21:22 AM EDT
[#44]
I like this one better. The multicam appears to have a very good camo quality fo its very muted, dulled out colors although camera filters and photoshop can make any product look better than it actually is. I don't like the pattern. To me it looks like a combination of a woodland version of the chocolate chip desert pattern from Gulf War 1 and German flektarn. I;m sure either works great depending on where you're using it and the weather/lighting conditions. ETA: I love the ideas put into Crye Precision's clothing though. Some really tough looking stuff. |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:29:06 AM EDT
[#45]
MARPAT
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:31:30 AM EDT
[#46]
Tru Spec is making knock offs of the Marine and Army uniforms with the new pockets, but Propper is making the Army one with the older style BDU jacket, I believe. I have not seena Propper in multi-cam |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:16:41 PM EDT
[#47]
 Do you make this shit up yourself, or do you get it from somewhere else? |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:30:19 PM EDT
[#48]
I don't think there will be 'trouble' obtaining BDUs for a while - there will be plenty of surplus, and plenty of folks selling their old uniforms on E-bay... |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:32:49 PM EDT
[#49]
Because the Army had the great idea to design an all-purpose camo pattern that plays tricks on your eyes, as shown in the above photos, thus eliminating the need for desert, woodland, and artic patterns... IIRC, there are still multiple versions of marpat... |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 3:47:55 PM EDT
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BAN IT! For the children. |
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