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Posted: 3/8/2006 10:30:54 AM EDT
www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/02/catholic.town.ap/index.html

New Florida town would restrict abortion
Domino's founder building community around Catholic university

NAPLES, Florida (AP) -- If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.

The pizza magnate is bankrolling the project with at least $250 million and calls it "God's will."

Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and are threatening to sue.

The town of Ave Maria is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in about 40 years. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwestern Florida.

The town and the university, developed in partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate business, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center, a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, at nearly 65 feet tall. Monaghan envisions 11,000 homes and 20,000 residents.

During a speech last year at a Catholic men's gathering in Boston, Monaghan said that in his community, stores will not sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies will not carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will have no X-rated channels.

Homebuyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright. But Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town, meaning they could insert provisions in leases to restrict the sale of certain items.

"I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines," Monaghan, who sold Domino's Pizza in 1998 to devote himself to doing good works, said in a recent Newsweek interview.

Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said Tuesday that attorneys are still reviewing the legal issues and that Monaghan had no comment in the meantime.

"If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Florida, are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future," warned Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan. "The community has the right to provide a wholesome environment," he said. "If someone disagrees, they have the right to go to court and present facts before a judge."

Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

"While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments," Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.

Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington-based Catholics for a Free Choice, likened Monaghan's concept to Islamic fundamentalism.

"This is un-American," Kissling said. "I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens."
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 5:19:33 AM EDT
More power to them. Just a town with a Catholic HOA. It would be more legal if the houses and bussiness were leased for 99 yrs instead of "sold". Under a lease agreement it would be more binding. I think they have every right to do it under the Constitution. But some asshole ACLU lawyer will want to move in just to f-ck things up.
Link Posted: 3/10/2006 6:46:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1cheapshot:
More power to them. Just a town with a Catholic HOA. It would be more legal if the houses and bussiness were leased for 99 yrs instead of "sold". Under a lease agreement it would be more binding. I think they have every right to do it under the Constitution. But some asshole ACLU lawyer will want to move in just to f-ck things up.



I actually agree with you as long as they stay private (like a HOA) and don't ask for government assistance. Once you take Uncle Sam's dollar, you have to play by Uncle Sam's rules.

They could incorporate as a religous non-profit and operate as a business instead of a government entity and I would think they would have pretty much free reign.

Be interesting to see how this unfolds.



Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:37:41 PM EDT
Yea, a Town that doesn't ask from Ceasar would be interesting. What if they were damaged in a hurricane,would they have to refuse federal help to keep free of the Fed? I'm not against any town refusing help from the Fed.
I have people in my town that seem to think those grant dollars come from the govt not some one else's pocket. "Oh its grant money we don't have to pay it back".

This will be interesting to see if it can fly. I hope it does for my 2 cents worth. It has been done in other places already and they have got fed funds. But the "church" owned the whole town. That is, they lease or grant individuals the right to a house. They can't buy a house. So if they own the land it will work. But if they sell it I'm sure an ACLU lawyer will be the first to buy and it's all over from there.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:35:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 5:36:25 AM EDT by Ring]
so, who thinks it would be a good idea to start a ROP law town?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:46:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ring:
so, who thinks it would be a good idea to start a ROP law town?



RIF

they are not changing the laws, they are simply deciding (based on community standards, which is according to SCOTUS standards) what is allowed in their town and what is not.

Law is based on the state they live in, they have to comply with those. They can do as they wish otherwise.


Now if someone wanted to set up a Muslim style town and restrict what is bought and sold in accordance with Islamic Law (no alcohol sales in city for instance) that is their right imo.

Shops could even go so far as to refuse service to women not in proper dress

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:10:59 PM EDT
Man would I love to have a porn, condom & beer store right outside of town...

Sounds pretty cultish to me... Time for some interesting banners pulled by light aircraft!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:50:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Man would I love to have a porn, condom & beer store right outside of town...



hehe that was my first though too

set up a small office for a doctor for birth control exams and abortions.

I'd be a rich man.

Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:54:38 AM EDT
Yea, the ACLU and others of their ilk are bitching and moaning about a "Christian" community. I look at it this way... if you don't like the rules of the town, DON'T MOVE THERE!!!

I don't see any discrimination in the new town as it is being marketed as a "Christian" community with appropriate television programming, community events, etc. So, if the rules of residency are already established, why the hell would any of the dope smoking, homosexual, pornographic, anti-church type of people want to move there?
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:02:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cheaptrickfan:
Yea, the ACLU and others of their ilk are bitching and moaning about a "Christian" community. I look at it this way... if you don't like the rules of the town, DON'T MOVE THERE!!!

I don't see any discrimination in the new town as it is being marketed as a "Christian" community with appropriate television programming, community events, etc. So, if the rules of residency are already established, why the hell would any of the dope smoking, homosexual, pornographic, anti-church type of people want to move there?



to set up shop supplying all the things those people need and want but can't get from their uptight community...

thats the problem

if its an actual city government, instead of a private settlement with rules of a private company, I have the right to move there and set up a home based or internet based business. If I follow all state laws there is nothing they can do to me that won't get overturned in court.

They need to keep it private and accept no government help if they want it to work.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 3:18:25 PM EDT
Legally, if they own the land, they can do it. Their right.

Although considering the principles of the town, and that it's just being constructed with people moving their of their own free will, a vice shop wouldn't be profitable for at least 20 years, when you have enough people who were raised there not of their own will who would actually want to buy your goods. If the people want to move there, chances are they don't want porno, abortions, or birth control.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 3:41:29 PM EDT
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