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11/22/2017 10:05:29 PM
Posted: 10/19/2004 2:13:45 AM EST
I want one of these cuase they look beautiful!
I seem to recollect that hte new SA is NOT the government armory SA.
So my question is - what is the quality of these guys?
And Kathleen Turner is from springfield (cheap plug to get people to answer my question....)
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:15:25 AM EST
Have you seen a picture of her recently?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:29:27 AM EST
I never liked her. I don't know if it's her voice or what but she annoys the hell out of me.

I believe I would stick with a CMP Garand. If you want it to be nice looking, then have someone refinish it. At least then you actually have a piece of history instead of a wannabe.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:36:20 AM EST
There was a thread here a while back about someone who got one and it kaboomed...split right down the middle, barrel, receiver and all. Wasn't pretty.

If you really want to spend about a grand for an inferior copy of one, go ahead. Or, you can spend $400 and get a real, collectable one from the CMP. You might need to replace some worn springs and parts, but it'll run a lot better, look a lot better (IMO), and you'll like it a lot more.

If you want it to look brand new, check to make sure you have a non-collectable mixmaster, then send it off to be reparked. Their original park was a nice black, but being stored in cosmoline and whatnot turned their finish into a greenish tint. Gunplumber can repark it to its original black, or can give it that used green tint look, and redo the whole rifle.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:46:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
And Kathleen Turner is from springfield




Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:46:42 AM EST
I had one, had to sell it when my wife lost her job. Mine was very well made. All the parts on mine were USGI Springfield and a couple of little parts were Beretta. Mine shot very well too. I miss it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:47:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
...If you really want to spend about a grand for an inferior copy of one, go ahead. Or, you can spend $400 and get a real, collectable one from the CMP. You might need to replace some worn springs and parts, but it'll run a lot better, look a lot better (IMO), and you'll like it a lot more....



+1
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:50:00 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:51:36 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 2:51:52 AM EST
Why would you pay $1,100 for a fake when you can pay $500 (or less) for the real thing???



Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:46:52 AM EST
cause teh CMP thing sounds like it takes time and knowledge... I have less of the former than the latter.

plus, I'm assuming the springfield comes with a manual and support from SA.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:49:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 3:56:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:02:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
cause teh CMP thing sounds like it takes time and knowledge... I have less of the former than the latter.

plus, I'm assuming the springfield comes with a manual and support from SA.




All you gotta do is join a CMP certified club, shoot a match, and send in your check.

The process of getting a CMP garand is part of the beauty of owning one.

CMP tech inspects it, so you don't have to worry about that.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:03:58 AM EST
dammit, I'll just go to LRB and pick up a USGI then.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:07:04 AM EST
I saw one blow up at the range that I worked at in Houston.This was not the only one that I had heard of that blew up.The stock was nothing but sharp splinters of wood.The shooter was very lucky he did not get hurt worse.He had a bad cut on his hand and cuts and a big bruise on his chest.I know because I had to patch him up before.He went to the hospital.My advice is do not get a Garand from Springfield.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:16:54 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:30:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:32:29 AM EST by garandman]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

there is no longer a shoot requirement



WHAT???????????


Heresy!!!!!!!!!!!

When did that happen???

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:55:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
cause teh CMP thing sounds like it takes time and knowledge... I have less of the former than the latter.

plus, I'm assuming the springfield comes with a manual and support from SA.



There is paperwork and a notary signature. Have to belong to an affiliated club (Gararnd Collector's is one, several others @$20 a year or so dues) and then something that shows shooting interest, (CMP shoots usually once a month or C&R License--$30 and gets you some discounts). The CMP Garand comes with a book and they have downloadable manuals that visually take you through the detail of stripping and assembling the rifle. Danish or Greek Garands are only $300 delivered to your door in around 2-3 weeks. A CMP GARAND like the one I got for $500 would be selling in a gun store for $750 minimum, most likely $800-$850. I'm happy I got mine. I'd rather have a used gun in this case because it's history after all.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:58:12 AM EST
Mine's very nice. I replaced some of the parts that weren't up to snuff and bedded it. It's very cherry looking. That being said....I still hate Springfield with a passion.

As far as some of them blowing up I would bet my money on the fact the the shooters were possibly using Korean surplus ammo....using that stuff is taking your life into your own hands with ANY gun.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:39:41 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:42:11 AM EST
Anytime it's easier for good people to obtain firearms, I'm all for it.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:44:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

there is no longer a shoot requirement



WHAT???????????


Heresy!!!!!!!!!!!

When did that happen???




This last year. it was under the new "M1's for the unwashed masses program"





Seriously - is that true? So are you saying you just have to join a CMP-affilitated club, and then you can order one????


Because if it is, I'm totally going to make my anti-gun fiancee order me a couple of Garands!!


(I'm tired of waiting for 1shott to finally send me one ).

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:46:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
cause teh CMP thing sounds like it takes time and knowledge... I have less of the former than the latter.

plus, I'm assuming the springfield comes with a manual and support from SA.



The CMP couldnt be easier. Join the Garand Collectors Assn. Download the forms from CMP. Go to a range (you do that, right?) have them sign off that you now how to handle a rifle. Mail the forms in. Wait two weeks. Garand.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:50:53 AM EST
BTW, Kathleen Turner was a major, major hottie.





Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:53:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cypher214:
I never liked her. I don't know if it's her voice or what but she annoys the hell out of me.

I believe I would stick with a CMP Garand. If you want it to be nice looking, then have someone refinish it. At least then you actually have a piece of history instead of a wannabe.



Ditto,
price is right
shouldn't cost much to refinish
you'll have a piece of history


Got mine last week, suhweeeet!!!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 9:56:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 4:37:50 AM EST
CMP's customer service is far superior to Springfield's. SA will have you pay to ship your rifle back and wait weeks to just return it again. When a CMP M1 doesn't meet the specs you paid for ($500 Service grade meets higher standards than $400 or $300 rackgrade) they pay shipping and make it right within 48 hours to a week and they pay all shipping. This on a 60 year old product. They have you speak with an armorer directly and things get done.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:39:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
the new rquire is have ANY range officer sign off, or include a copy of your CCW if you have one.


New requirements Eligibility requirements


Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:

Current or past military service.
Current or past law enforcement service
Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
Concealed Carry License.
Firearms Owner Identification Card.
FFL or C&R license.
Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. A form for use in completing and certifying your range firing can be downloaded from the CMP web site at http://www.odcmp.com/forms/marksmanship.pdf
No proof required if over age 60.




Thanks - maybe I can get my fiancee to go along with that. She DOES owe me a trip to the range to shoot the garand - in exchange for my trying grits (not sure that trade was worth it)
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:36:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:44:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
cause teh CMP thing sounds like it takes time and knowledge... I have less of the former than the latter.

plus, I'm assuming the springfield comes with a manual and support from SA.



Send me your $1,100 and I'll send you my service grade CMP Springfield Garand built in May, 1944.

Then, I'm going to turn right around and buy 2 more CMP service grade Springfield's
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