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Posted: 8/3/2009 5:22:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 5:42:24 PM EST by 556A2]
I need a new rifle, and I'm kind of torn between these two. I really like Enfields, but I have never owned a Mauser in any shape.

The Yugo Capture is in VG/EX with a mirror bore. It is matching on the bolt, magazine floor plate, and stock. Its $250, and comes with 300 rounds of Romanian 8mm

The 2A1 has in VG/EX condition with a excellent bore. The bolt is matched to the receiver, but I don't know anything else. Its $200, and comes with nothing.

So should I stay with a platform I'm familiar with, or bust my Mauser cherry?

ETA: Its just going to be a fun range gun, and maybe a part-time deer rifle.

ETA2: Its a German K98 worked over by the Yugoslavians after WW2. Its not a 24/47 or M48.



Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:25:59 PM EST
No pics = No solution
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:26:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 5:26:56 PM EST by BushBoar]
Yugo capture?

Is it a Yugo Mauser made post war, or an actual German Mauser?

If it's a Yugo Mauser, between the two, I'd take the Enfield.

If it's an actual WWII German made Mauser, Russian capture, I'd take the Mauser.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:43:30 PM EST
bump with pics
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:54:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
Yugo capture?

Is it a Yugo Mauser made post war, or an actual German Mauser?

If it's a Yugo Mauser, between the two, I'd take the Enfield.

If it's an actual WWII German made Mauser, Russian capture, I'd take the Mauser.


The Yugoslavian capture 98's are very nice rifles, much nicer than the Russian captures that have been coming in recently. Even some of the Yugo made guns are good. I remember when they used to sell the Isaphore 2A Enfields for $69 each. They are not $200 guns. They are not meant for .308, only the lower pressure 7.62x51––>something that will become increasingly difficult/expensive to obtain in the future. Go with the Mauser.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:57:02 PM EST
K98
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:59:04 PM EST
I'd get both. Even if you had to sell blood/plasma to do it.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:01:01 PM EST
Mauser 98 > Enfield
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:37:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By oldschool63:
Mauser 98 > Enfield

Ultimately this was my experience.

Although in battle, the Enfield was a superior rifle for about five different reasons.

Rear-locking = shit accuracy; the Mauser will shoot better.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:38:35 PM EST
Try finding a case of 303.

K98 FTW.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:41:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Try finding a case of 303.

K98 FTW.




The 2A1 be 7.62 Nato...




Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:41:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Try finding a case of 303.

K98 FTW.


7.62x51 Enfield

I would go for the K98 if you have never had a Mauser.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:43:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 6:45:32 PM EST by epnurse]
Originally Posted By Noname:
Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Try finding a case of 303.

K98 FTW.




The 2A1 be 7.62 Nato...






IIRC, the craftsmanship on the later Ishapore's weren't the best. Also, .308 is supposedly hard on the action designed around .303. SMLEs are probably the best combat bolt-action ever, but it was never meant to handle .308.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:55:43 PM EST
That Mauser would be coming home with me vs. that Ishapore.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:56:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:


It's not for .308, only the lower pressure 7.62x51––>something that will become increasingly difficult/expensive to obtain in the future. Go with the Mauser.


Or learn to reload-as far as value I remember them being $69 as well, but I also remember nice Mausers for not much more. The days of the sub-$150 Enfield are all but over, at least in my area. I'd pay $200 for the one pictured in a heartbeat as long as the bore is in the condition described by the OP.


Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:03:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 7:06:04 PM EST by GNRNR]
The enfield will take modern 308 factory loads fine, That is another unsubtantiated rumor that it can't.
Mine has already been through 200 rounds of federal without a hiccup

eta get both I would love to have a muaser or another 2a
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 6:44:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/4/2009 6:44:36 AM EST by BushBoar]
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
Yugo capture?

Is it a Yugo Mauser made post war, or an actual German Mauser?

If it's a Yugo Mauser, between the two, I'd take the Enfield.

If it's an actual WWII German made Mauser, Russian capture, I'd take the Mauser.


The Yugoslavian capture 98's are very nice rifles, much nicer than the Russian captures that have been coming in recently. Even some of the Yugo made guns are good. I remember when they used to sell the Isaphore 2A Enfields for $69 each. They are not $200 guns. They are not meant for .308, only the lower pressure 7.62x51––>something that will become increasingly difficult/expensive to obtain in the future. Go with the Mauser.


I haven't ever seen a Yugo capture, only Russian. Initially I thought he was referring to a M48.

Prices have gone up on the Indian Enfields.

I'd take the Mauser in this case.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 6:53:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By JAD:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
Yugo capture?

Is it a Yugo Mauser made post war, or an actual German Mauser?

If it's a Yugo Mauser, between the two, I'd take the Enfield.

If it's an actual WWII German made Mauser, Russian capture, I'd take the Mauser.


The Yugoslavian capture 98's are very nice rifles, much nicer than the Russian captures that have been coming in recently. Even some of the Yugo made guns are good. I remember when they used to sell the Isaphore 2A Enfields for $69 each. They are not $200 guns. They are not meant for .308, only the lower pressure 7.62x51––>something that will become increasingly difficult/expensive to obtain in the future. Go with the Mauser.


I may be older than you.

I remember Mausers and Enfields for $39 each. The hardware store had a wooden barrel full of each at different times.

The Ishapore Enfields were designed around the 7.62x51 with non-corrosive primers and usually have very nice bores compared to some Mausers.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 6:55:52 AM EST
K98 hands down.

Shouldn't even be a question.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 6:56:27 AM EST
You know what to do.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 6:58:30 AM EST
Yugo K98.

The Ishapores were made from alloy steel (originial .303 Lee-Enfields were plain carbon steel) so they will handle .308 without a problem.

However, I had a #2A and the bore slugged at .311 and accuracy sucked (5" @ 100 yards). I reloaded some .308 ammo with .311 bullets & accuracy shronk to 1.5" but who wants to be bothered?

It appears the Indians used .303 machinery to make the .308 barrels.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 7:47:51 AM EST
You only see alittle Romo 8mm for sale anywhere. NO more Yugo ( New or old) ,German, Turk, etc.

8mm mil-surp ammo will dry up / is drying up long before any source of 7.62mm NATO. That's why I sold all my Mausers. 7.5x55mm Swiss and 7.62x54R are all I'm in to, other than the fast shooter stuff. The reciever on those 2A1's are modern steel, it was an interim rifle until they could get enough FAL's made.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:08:50 AM EST
You better get that Ishapore because if you get a Mauser it's gonna multiply
Here is my first ; Now I have Mauser fever...
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:35:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By TaosBob101:
8mm mil-surp ammo will dry up / is drying up long before any source of 7.62mm NATO.


This is the main thing holding me back on the K98. I hated trying to find .303 or 7.5 Swiss before a range trip, and having to rely on an online vendor to get ammo. While 7.62x51NATO is expensive, it will be on the surplus market for years to come.

OTOH Enfields are notorious for being a PITA to reload. While I do not reload right now, the K98 would be easier on brass.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:42:47 AM EST
Mauser action > other bolt actions
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:49:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By BulletBait:
Try finding a case of 303.

K98 FTW.


this plus GERMAN design/engineering ftw
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:52:45 AM EST
Ishy FTW.
More standard calibre, better loading system, you can get spare magazines, my Ishy is more accurate than my Yugo.

The only reason to buy the Yugo right now is because 8mm is cheaper. If you do buy a Yugo, buy a couple cases/cans of 8mm because 8mm surplus is only going to dry up.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:56:51 AM EST
Tough call. Those mausers are nice quality. And yet, I kept my two Ishapore Enfileds (.308) and sold my three Mausers (a Turk, a Yugo and a German).

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Link Posted: 8/4/2009 8:57:19 AM EST
FWIW, I have an Enfield Jungle Carbine and a K98 from Mitchell's Mausers*.

I'd take the Mauser if I had to choose just one.

*Yes, I know Mitchell is a ripoff, but my wife heard me mention one day, "Man, I've got to get me one of these one day." as I was looking at a Mitchell's Mauser advertisement. I never even got around to doing research on K98's before she bought one for me for our first Christmas together. As such, it is a prized posession.

Overpriced or not, it's a beautiful piece.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:09:37 AM EST
I voted for the enfield. 2A's are getting hard to find, and capture 98k's are still relatively plentiful. 7.62 nato is plentiful too. The enfield is easier to scope without altering the rifle, if i recall correctly. Most of the mauser "no gunsmith" mounts are junk.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 9:16:04 AM EST
k98.
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