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Posted: 9/18/2004 6:27:31 PM EST
Its allready shot down FROGs, Lances, 155mm shells, and 82mm rockets in increasing order of difficulty. Now it shoots down mortar bombs, the smallest target yet, and fired from the closest range, which poses its own difficulty even though the projectile velocities were the slowest yet.


REDONDO BEACH, Calif., Aug. 26, 2004 -- The Tactical High Energy Laser, built by Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) for the U.S. Army, shot down multiple mortar rounds Aug. 24, proving that laser weapons could be applied on the battlefield to protect against common threats.

In tests representative of actual mortar threat scenarios, the THEL testbed destroyed both single mortar rounds and mortar rounds fired in a salvo at White Sands Missile Range, N.M.

The tests were conducted by the Army as part of the Mobile THEL (MTHEL) program. The MTHEL program is the responsibility of the SHORAD Project Office under the U.S. Army's Program Executive Office for Air, Space, and Missile Defense. The purpose of the MTHEL program is to develop and test the first mobile Directed Energy weapon system capable of detecting, tracking, engaging, and defeating Rockets/Artillery/Mortars (RAM), cruise missiles, short-range ballistic missiles, and unmanned aerial vehicles. The Army is collaborating with the Israeli Ministry of Defense in the execution of the MTHEL program.

"These successful tests once again prove the versatility of the THEL testbed to counter a wide range of threats, particularly low-tech weapons like mortars," said Patrick Caruana, vice president of Space and Missile Defense for Northrop Grumman Space Technology. "For the first time, we have a way to protect our forces, and those of our allies, against almost daily mortar attacks. Together with the U.S. Army, we have overcome the technical hurdles and we're ready to move laser weapons onto the battlefield."

As the nation's only laser weapon, the THEL testbed has shot down a variety of threats since 2000, showing its versatility by destroying about three dozen targets, ranging from Katyusha rockets to artillery shells and large-caliber rockets, and now mortar threats as well.

"In the foreseeable future, MTHEL is the only directed energy program we can depend on to counter threats posed by rockets, artillery and mortar rounds," said Joe Shwartz, MTHEL program manager for Northrop Grumman Space Technology. "The MTHEL prototype, when developed, will put directed energy into the warfighters' hands as early as possible. MTHEL could serve as a pathfinder for the Army to incorporate directed energy into its plans because it offers all the building blocks required to insert speed-of-light technology into the U.S. Army's Future Combat System and Future Force architectures."

The THEL demonstrator was designed, developed and produced by a Northrop Grumman-led team of U.S. and Israeli contractors for the U.S. Space & Missile Defense Command, Huntsville, Ala., and the Israeli Ministry of Defense. The THEL demonstrator has evolved to the THEL testbed for the MTHEL program. In addition to Northrop Grumman's Space Technology and Mission Systems sectors, U.S. companies involved in testbed development are Ball Aerospace, Boulder, Colo., and Brashear LP, Pittsburgh, Pa. Israeli companies that supported THEL ACTD development are Electro-Optic Industries, Ltd., Rehovot; Israel Aircraft Industries, Ltd., Yehud Industrial Zone; RAFAEL, Haifa; and Tadiran, Holon.

Northrop Grumman Space Technology, based in Redondo Beach, Calif., develops a broad range of systems at the leading edge of space, defense and electronics technology. The sector creates products for U.S. military and civilian customers that contribute significantly to the nation's security and leadership in science and technology.

CONTACT: Bob Bishop
Northrop Grumman Space Technology
(310) 812-5227
(310) 567-4919 Cell
bob.j.bishop@ngc.com




Thing is MTHEL is the size of a semi truck- it has WAAY too much power to be plinking mortar bombs when it was designed to shoot down SCUDS and fighter planes. They need to find a way to combine its FCS with the little ZEUS laser used for EOD work
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:30:48 PM EST
Directed energy, baby! Zero-time-of-flight weaponry!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:34:19 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:36:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
Directed energy, baby! Zero-time-of-flight weaponry!



What makes you say zero time of flight? The propagation of light through any medium is not instantaneous.



Its not like you could have a smoke waiting for the impact.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:41:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
Directed energy, baby! Zero-time-of-flight weaponry!



What makes you say zero time of flight? The propagation of light through any medium is not instantaneous.



Its not like you could have a smoke waiting for the impact.




Hahahaha! This is some cool shit! Lasers, man..
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:48:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
Directed energy, baby! Zero-time-of-flight weaponry!



What makes you say zero time of flight? The propagation of light through any medium is not instantaneous.



Dude...I'm fully aware that light has a finite, though extremely high, speed...but the target will travel only a fraction of an inch during the time it takes the laser beam to cover the distance from the firing point to the target. The time of flight is essentially zero, because you do not have to "lead" the target.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:50:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:51:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 7:01:44 PM EST by rayra]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Thing is MTHEL is the size of a semi truck- it has WAAY too much power to be plinking mortar bombs when it was designed to shoot down SCUDS and fighter planes. They need to find a way to combine its FCS with the little ZEUS laser used for EOD work

look at who the coworkers are on this project. Make it work, first, then make it small. I have no doubt that as soon as this series of tests is completed, Israel will park one in every Israeli town within Katyusha-Kassam / Mortar range from a Palistinian.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:56:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:
Just correcting an erroneous statement. You should have said near zero flight time.



Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:57:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
Directed energy, baby! Zero-time-of-flight weaponry!



What makes you say zero time of flight? The propagation of light through any medium is not instantaneous.


Pedants are such a drag.

Speed of Light - some 300,000,000 meters per second.
Engagement distance - ~withing 10mi / 16km.
'Time of Flight' - 53 MILLIONTHS of a Second.

Save your pedantry for things like Global jihad or WW4 or the RKBA fight. You are wasting it quibbling about something like this.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 6:59:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Thing is MTHEL is the size of a semi truck- it has WAAY too much power to be plinking mortar bombs when it was designed to shoot down SCUDS and fighter planes. They need to find a way to combine its FCS with the little ZEUS laser used for EOD work



Actually, in the 90's a laser was developed for EOD and it was mounted on a M113. It never got past the testing phase.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:02:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Thing is MTHEL is the size of a semi truck- it has WAAY too much power to be plinking mortar bombs when it was designed to shoot down SCUDS and fighter planes. They need to find a way to combine its FCS with the little ZEUS laser used for EOD work

:ppk at who the coworkers are on this project. Make it work, first, then make it small. I have no doubt that as soon as this series of tests is completed, Israel will park one in every Israeli town within Katyusha-Kassam / Mortar range from a Palistinian.



Yeah, its really our Military that has more demandng requirments. Even at this size, it will fit on most USN ships in place of Phalanx for example. And we could install a couple around the Green Zone, Baghdad airport and at the various airfields in Afganistan.

Patriot batteries have other equipment nearly this big, so adding a MTHEL truck to each battery to protect it from defense suppression attacks would work.

Again though if all you want to do is kill Rockets/bombs/shells THEL is way more power than you need. If you can cut the power you can cut the size of the generator and cooling system.

The FCS they are using is even MORE amazing than the laser itself IMHO.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:04:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:10:45 PM EST
If they could just figure out how to carry a laser of this power with these www.de.afrl.af.mil/News/1998/98-8.html. With Fiber Optic "plumbing" you could have a central generator with many emitters giveing instantanious 360deg coverage.

Imagine a M1 with 4 or so emitters covering each quarter of the turret to shoot down ATMs and RPGs- ACTIVE armor not REACTIVE!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:12:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:13:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:14:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 7:19:40 PM EST by ArmdLbrl]

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:
Is MTHEL a chemical laser?



I don't think so. I think it is diode, all electric.

Nope I'm wrong its chemical
www.defense-update.com/directory/THEL.htm

So the basic technology is the same as AL-1 Airborne Laser but with different packaging.

ZEUS is solid state, and so is the laser they are working on for the F-35. The F-35s solid state laser would be THE choice to combine with this FCS, then it would fit in a Hummvee.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:18:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By rayra:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:
Directed energy, baby! Zero-time-of-flight weaponry!



What makes you say zero time of flight? The propagation of light through any medium is not instantaneous.


Pedants are such a drag.

Speed of Light - some 300,000,000 meters per second.
Engagement distance - ~withing 10mi / 16km.
'Time of Flight' - 53 MILLIONTHS of a Second.

Save your pedantry for things like Global jihad or WW4 or the RKBA fight. You are wasting it quibbling about something like this.



isnt anyone allowed to be a smartass in this world anymore? jeeze




Sure....you've got 53 MILLIONTHS of a Second on the clock....now GO!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:19:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:
Is MTHEL a chemical laser?



I don't think so. I think it is diode, all electric.



Its a chemical laser.

MTHEL uses directed energy (laser beam) to intercept aerial targets such as rockets, missiles, artillery shells and other aerial threats. The target destruction is achieved by projecting a highly focused, high-power laser beam, delivered by a chemical laser, with enough energy to affect the target, and explode it in midair. This operational concept is offering the first "reusable" interception element. Existing interceptors use kinetic energy kill vehicles (such as fragmentation warheads), which are not reusable.

MTHEL represents a transformational weapon system - the first mobile directed energy weapon that will be able to destroy tactical airborne threats in midair. In order to achieve a high rate of fire, designers are looking into the use of high energy capsules, which can be loaded prior to each shot. The cost per shot, primarily cost of the chemicals used to fuel the laser, is expected to be in the thousands of dollars - far less expensive than the cost of kinetic energy defense systems.

MTHEL is a development of the mobile version of the Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) testbed weapon, developed by Northrop Grumman under a US Army contract. The program is expected to provide a completed prototype by 2007.

Since the year 2000, MTHEL intercepted five artillery projectiles and 28 rocket targets, including the short range 122mm Katyusha type rockets fired singly and in salvos and larger, long range 160mm rockets which has twice the range of the standard katyusha. Most recently, on August 24, 2004 the system intercepted and destroyed mortar bombs, fired both single and in salvos. During the most recent test conducted on May 2004, MTHEL destroyed a large caliber rocket target, containing a live warhead, which was intercepted by the laser weapon.

The purpose of the MTHEL program is to develop and test the first mobile Directed Energy weapon system capable of detecting, tracking, engaging, and defeating Rockets/Artillery/Mortars (RAM), cruise missiles, short-range ballistic missiles, and unmanned aerial vehicles.

MTHEL will be the first tactical and mobile, directed-energy weapon capable of shooting down in flight airborne targets such as rockets, cruise missiles and other weapons, protecting expeditionary forces or deployed forces as well as civilians areas targeted by such threats.

THEL/ACTD program was developed for US Space & Missile Defense Command and the Israel MOD demonstration tests by TRW, now part of Northrop Grumman corp. Subcontractors for the program include Ball Aerospace and Ball Aerospace in the US and the Israeli companies: Elbit/El-Op, IAI/Elta which built the radar and fire control system, RAFAEL and Tadiran.

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:20:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:21:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
If they could just figure out how to carry a laser of this power with these www.de.afrl.af.mil/News/1998/98-8.html. With Fiber Optic "plumbing" you could have a central generator with many emitters giveing instantanious 360deg coverage.

Imagine a M1 with 4 or so emitters covering each quarter of the turret to shoot down ATMs and RPGs- ACTIVE armor not REACTIVE!




That would be pretty wicked.



Perhaps the fly-wheel concept for the M1 Abrams mounting a gauss cannon. Anyone hear of this? Of course, you may as well just use the system to power a DEW.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:24:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By hepcat85:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
If they could just figure out how to carry a laser of this power with these www.de.afrl.af.mil/News/1998/98-8.html. With Fiber Optic "plumbing" you could have a central generator with many emitters giveing instantanious 360deg coverage.

Imagine a M1 with 4 or so emitters covering each quarter of the turret to shoot down ATMs and RPGs- ACTIVE armor not REACTIVE!




That would be pretty wicked.



Perhaps the fly-wheel concept for the M1 Abrams mounting a gauss cannon. Anyone hear of this? Of course, you may as well just use the system to power a DEW.



I think we would have to build a new tank really, the M1A2 is increasingly short of internal volume to put stuff like this.

A Gauss Gun and a laser are really two different things for two different missions. You could shoot THEL at the frontal armor of a M1 untill it overheated or ran out of fuel and never burn through. But you could build a gauss gun that could punch right through with one shot.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:25:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:
Is MTHEL a chemical laser?



I don't think so. I think it is diode, all electric.



I thought I read a while back that they were going to use chemical lasers for this project cuz of the energy inefficiency of diode lasers? Whats the reason for the change?



The AIRBORNE LASER is a chemical laser...

The ground based ones are all electrical...

reason: generating equipment to power such a device is too heavy for pracitcal airborne use...

However, on a 'floating generator' (USN ship), or as part of a ground based ADA battery it would not have weight isssues...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:29:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By ColonelKlink:
Is MTHEL a chemical laser?



I don't think so. I think it is diode, all electric.



I thought I read a while back that they were going to use chemical lasers for this project cuz of the energy inefficiency of diode lasers? Whats the reason for the change?



The AIRBORNE LASER is a chemical laser...

The ground based ones are all electrical...

reason: generating equipment to power such a device is too heavy for pracitcal airborne use...

However, on a 'floating generator' (USN ship), or as part of a ground based ADA battery it would not have weight isssues...



No look up a couple posts, THEL is a chemical laser. I THOUGHT it was electrical too, since it didn't have space limitations, but it turns out its chemical.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:31:50 PM EST
This won't be cool until they figure out how to attach them to a sharks head.

[Dr Evil voice] Throw me a freaking bone here [/Dr Evil voice]
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:31:53 PM EST
As long as we're being smartasses, in a way it is zero flight time. Because the energy travels at the fastest possible speed, there is no way for the target to know that it is being fired upon before it is actually hit. No time for chaff, flares, or evasive maneuvering.

All smartassedness aside, this is a pretty incredible development. It has the potential to change the face of warfare. What if all explosive weapons became essentially useless - any anti-tank, anti-ship, or anti-aircraft missiles could be shot down, plus artillery rockets, artillery shells, and mortars, and maybe even fighters and bombers?
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:33:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:43:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
As long as we're being smartasses, in a way it is zero flight time. Because the energy travels at the fastest possible speed, there is no way for the target to know that it is being fired upon before it is actually hit. No time for chaff, flares, or evasive maneuvering.

All smartassedness aside, this is a pretty incredible development. It has the potential to change the face of warfare. What if all explosive weapons became essentially useless - any anti-tank, anti-ship, or anti-aircraft missiles could be shot down, plus artillery rockets, artillery shells, and mortars, and maybe even fighters and bombers?



It probably cannot defeat a solid shot from a gauss gun. First, flying at 3km to as high as 10km per sec the FCS might not be able to handle them, or if it did the laser couldnt recycle in time for the second shot. And made from solid tungstin which is both dense AND a high temperature resistant refractory metal a cannon caliber slug probably could not be melted down in time even if it could engage.

Actually all that would change is the ranges, your artillery instead of being 10km behind you would be 300km ABOVE you, but the rules would be the same.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:02:36 PM EST
*yawn*

I will make a prediction now...

Directed energy will have its uses but will never replace projectiles in all roles.

We'll be using bullets until the last man falls to the earth.

Directed energy will never replace smallarms, a weapon that cautaurizes its own wound channel is counter productive. Anything that would project a large enough beam to be comparable to kinetic damage would be too large to carry or wield.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:07:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
*yawn*

I will make a prediction now...

Directed energy will have its uses but will never replace projectiles in all roles.

We'll be using bullets until the last man falls to the earth.

Directed energy will never replace smallarms, a weapon that cautaurizes its own wound channel is counter productive. Anything that would project a large enough beam to be comparable to kinetic damage would be too large to carry or wield.



Wrong...

Remember NEAR ZERO TIME OF FLIGHT? ABSOLUTE FLAT TRAJECTORY?

A laser weapon won't have to make a big wound channel if you just point at the head & press the fire button....

What you'd see in the scope is what you'd hit, every time...

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:08:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By mace:
As long as we're being smartasses, in a way it is zero flight time. Because the energy travels at the fastest possible speed, there is no way for the target to know that it is being fired upon before it is actually hit. No time for chaff, flares, or evasive maneuvering.

All smartassedness aside, this is a pretty incredible development. It has the potential to change the face of warfare. What if all explosive weapons became essentially useless - any anti-tank, anti-ship, or anti-aircraft missiles could be shot down, plus artillery rockets, artillery shells, and mortars, and maybe even fighters and bombers?



It probably cannot defeat a solid shot from a gauss gun. First, flying at 3km to as high as 10km per sec the FCS might not be able to handle them, or if it did the laser couldnt recycle in time for the second shot. And made from solid tungstin which is both dense AND a high temperature resistant refractory metal a cannon caliber slug probably could not be melted down in time even if it could engage.

Actually all that would change is the ranges, your artillery instead of being 10km behind you would be 300km ABOVE you, but the rules would be the same.



Laser weapons rely on heating the target to a point where it blows itself up...

It wouldn't even touch an APFDS (Uranium Sabot) round....
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:10:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By mace:
As long as we're being smartasses, in a way it is zero flight time. Because the energy travels at the fastest possible speed, there is no way for the target to know that it is being fired upon before it is actually hit. No time for chaff, flares, or evasive maneuvering.

All smartassedness aside, this is a pretty incredible development. It has the potential to change the face of warfare. What if all explosive weapons became essentially useless - any anti-tank, anti-ship, or anti-aircraft missiles could be shot down, plus artillery rockets, artillery shells, and mortars, and maybe even fighters and bombers?



There is one limitation:

Directed energy is line-of-sight only....

Missiles have a bit of advantage here, as they are not...

And remember, if you have LOS to fire directed energy at a target, they have LOS to fire it at you...

These things also have big power/IR signatures, and they still have to have RADAR to track airborne targets so they won't be 'stealth' entirely...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:20:30 PM EST
People have survived having up to an inch of brain tissue being cleanly seperated from thier body.

In the absence of trauma, losing grey matter is a moot point.

In reality an infantry laser would be about a millimiter, Hell there are very very few millimiters on your head with brain behind them that you need.

Indeed, a direct hit to the brain stem would have a very small chance of incapacitation, given that the structures controlling breathing and heartbeat are small in thier own right.

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:38:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By mace:
As long as we're being smartasses, in a way it is zero flight time. Because the energy travels at the fastest possible speed, there is no way for the target to know that it is being fired upon before it is actually hit. No time for chaff, flares, or evasive maneuvering.

All smartassedness aside, this is a pretty incredible development. It has the potential to change the face of warfare. What if all explosive weapons became essentially useless - any anti-tank, anti-ship, or anti-aircraft missiles could be shot down, plus artillery rockets, artillery shells, and mortars, and maybe even fighters and bombers?



It probably cannot defeat a solid shot from a gauss gun. First, flying at 3km to as high as 10km per sec the FCS might not be able to handle them, or if it did the laser couldnt recycle in time for the second shot. And made from solid tungstin which is both dense AND a high temperature resistant refractory metal a cannon caliber slug probably could not be melted down in time even if it could engage.

Actually all that would change is the ranges, your artillery instead of being 10km behind you would be 300km ABOVE you, but the rules would be the same.



Laser weapons rely on heating the target to a point where it blows itself up...

It wouldn't even touch an APFDS (Uranium Sabot) round....



For practical purposes yeah, but there are limitations, think what would happen to a DU long rod penetrator if its nose burned off or its tail fins melted off? It would tumble and hit sideways- this is what the Russians are trying to acheve with ERA. We would probably have to use larger darts than we do now, or throw them much faster, both of which are more achieveable with a gauss gun than with a conventional cannon.

Lasers and Gauss Guns are complimentary. Lasers burn slowly through both solid shot and the armor compunds used in MBT frontal armor. Lasers also dont burn well through Earth. Solid shot from a Gauss Gun punches through armor and plows up earth and concrete with such force you almost dont need explosives to augment the effect; and if the projectile is big enough-and tank cannon size is big enough- the laser cannot vaporise it, though you may need to find a different shape than the current dart shape to preclude other forms of disruption. Lasers can burn up anything made of light metal, wood or flesh thats out in the open-stuff that Gauss Guns would either go right through without much damage.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 9:01:53 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/18/2004 10:04:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By sniper1az:
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He is right, anything involving lasers and Carbon Nanotubes, those are the two technologies that are emerging right now
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:03:41 AM EST
Does anyone have any idea what the wounding effects on a person of a laser of this power would be?

Would the target be just set on fire, or would it burst like a hotdog in a microwave?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:22:08 AM EST
So educate me on chemical lasers, do they need to be recharged with new chemicals between every shot?

If so, how long does it take?

In the meantime, are we gonna hit the first round of every volley and be recharging while the rest come in?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:22:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Does anyone have any idea what the wounding effects on a person of a laser of this power would be?

Would the target be just set on fire, or would it burst like a hotdog in a microwave?



+1
What Will it do to HAJI?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:31:04 AM EST
A hit to the heart would be interesting, enough diameter and there'd be bad internal bleeding every time the heart beats. Lung hits might collapse the lung.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:41:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 8:58:44 AM EST by ArmdLbrl]

Originally Posted By Kharn:
A hit to the heart would be interesting, enough diameter and there'd be bad internal bleeding every time the heart beats. Lung hits might collapse the lung.

Kharn



This is not some little surgical laser, it burns 2" holes in sheet steel and even bigger holes in Aluminum.

There is going to be a sizeable hole, but its going to cauterize itself. It will probably set its targets clothes on fire.

But how much will the heat generated in the wound area travel through the rest of the body and how fast? Will there be a larger diameter cooked area around the wound?

If it hit someone in the head, would it cause the fluid in the brain to boil or vaporize and explode larger than the burn hole?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:48:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 8:54:14 AM EST by LWilde]
Years ago, we were testing a chemical laser in the desert for possible application as a shipboard AAW weapon. It worked fine out at White Sands. One of the reasons for success was the homogenuity of the near earth atmosphere. Conditions at sea make for quite different conditions often including a strong surface evaporative duct that can have effects on radar sensors. This effects tracking and without accurate tracking, the laser "gun" is worthless.

One of the biggest problems was what to do with the chemical residue after each shot. The chemicals were stored in large pressure vessels. The used chemicals were bled off after each shot and their toxicity precluded us using them on ships. The system was called the MIRACLE laser.

There are now lasers in test for ship weapons that use stored electrical energy instead of chemical-electrical. Each weapon will have huge banks of super-capacitors that charge up and discharge quickly with each shot. As soon as the shot is fired, the capacitor banks recharge. Of course, this assumes that the ship has a HUGE prime power system...sufficient to power the weapon, provide hotel services AND provide propulsion power. The new DD(X) destroyers will have such a power system. I am not aware of the duty cycle...but I'm sure it will be adequate to hangle an incoming salvo of multiple anti-ship cruise missiles.

Lasers, kenitic energy hypersonic rail guns...particle beam weapons...all cool tools. We need them all to defend our forces.

They'll be here sooner than some think.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 8:56:24 AM EST
Another factor is that the FCS uses radar. When artillery starts using stealth coatings, they will be harder to hit. What they can't track they can't destroy. Its just a new dimension to the arms race.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:00:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Arlis:
Another factor is that the FCS uses radar. When artillery starts using stealth coatings, they will be harder to hit. What they can't track they can't destroy. Its just a new dimension to the arms race.



That wont work, there is no magic paint that makes things invisable to radar. And a shell cant be shaped like a B2 or F117 to reflect away. And Radar Absorbant Material is usually measuered in inches to FEET of thickness.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:07:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By LWilde:
Years ago, we were testing a chemical laser in the desert for possible application as a shipboard AAW weapon. It worked fine out at White Sands. One of the reasons for success was the homogenuity of the near earth atmosphere. Conditions at sea make for quite different conditions often including a strong surface evaporative duct that can have effects on radar sensors. This effects tracking and without accurate tracking, the laser "gun" is worthless.

One of the biggest problems was what to do with the chemical residue after each shot. The chemicals were stored in large pressure vessels. The used chemicals were bled off after each shot and their toxicity precluded us using them on ships. The system was called the MIRACLE laser.

There are now lasers in test for ship weapons that use stored electrical energy instead of chemical-electrical. Each weapon will have huge banks of super-capacitors that charge up and discharge quickly with each shot. As soon as the shot is fired, the capacitor banks recharge. Of course, this assumes that the ship has a HUGE prime power system...sufficient to power the weapon, provide hotel services AND provide propulsion power. The new DD(X) destroyers will have such a power system. I am not aware of the duty cycle...but I'm sure it will be adequate to hangle an incoming salvo of multiple anti-ship cruise missiles.

Lasers, kenitic energy hypersonic rail guns...particle beam weapons...all cool tools. We need them all to defend our forces.

They'll be here sooner than some think.



You guys didn't have millimetric radar to play with back then? It is much less affected by near surface distortions, and is what they are using for the FCR with THEL in these low altitude shots.

Is anyone still working on partical beam guns for weaponry? I thought they had given up over the beams super sensitivity to magnetic field distortion
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:50:34 AM EST
I won't be excited about it until they strap them to sharks.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 9:57:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I won't be excited about it until they strap them to sharks.




Link Posted: 9/19/2004 10:06:02 AM EST
I've seen a picture of this laser. It is portable--but just barely.

357mag
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 10:13:13 AM EST
can you imagine warfare in 50 years?

we could- if we wanted- own this rock
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 1:57:45 PM EST
Good news. Gotta keep our superiority. Lasers on satellites will change warfare, and politics. What we need is a satellite with a laser, and titanium/tungston "rods from God" (for overcast skies) Any leader or troublemaker in the world who does not comply gets zapped. Regime change at the smallest level.

Get the leaders, and the average Joe (even mohammed joe) will meekly follow.


..................going to get my anti laser reflective coated tinfoil hat now...................................
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 2:12:59 PM EST
This can't be right. You better check your facts. Both Ted Kennedy and John Kerry said that these sort of weapons would never work.
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